State Rep. Bob Allen (R-FL) authored Florida's "Sexual Predators Elimination Act."

[Maddy McCall]

Blast from the past, World Net Daily 2005, no less.

By Diana Lynne
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Amid increasing evidence that child molesters are sexual predators for life, Florida lawmakers are considering life for sexual predators.

State Rep. Bob Allen, R-Merritt Island, hopes to seize the opportunity of a special legislative session that begins today and runs through Friday to make headway with his "Sexual Predators Elimination Act."

The measure, HB 251, seeks mandatory life sentences without parole or eligibility for gain time for individuals designated as sexual predators. Under Florida law, these are individuals convicted of sexual battery on a child 12 or younger, repeat sexual offenders, sexual offenders who use physical violence and sexual offenders who use or threaten the use of a deadly weapon.

"We need to lock them up and throw away the key," Allen told WND. Otherwise, he says, they continue to prey on children and teenagers to feed a need that never goes away.

"I've done a lot of research on it. I've gone with the officers and probation officers to the homes of sexual predators," Allen continued. "One of the sexual predators said it the best: 'I want to do better. But, sir, it's like if someone tried to sit you down guaranteeing you'll do 15 sessions of counseling, and in that 15 sessions I'm going to talk you out of your sexual preference and get you to do something else.'"

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"We're writing all of these wild zoning laws and imposing all this extra restriction and extra cost and doing all these machinations to accommodate a repeat offender hanging around us. When we can get away from all those ... expensive law-enforcement time-wasting factors by simply going straight to the root of the problem, and that is the offender, and put them in a locked up place where we know we're safe,'" said Allen.

"Mr. Allen is out to get votes," responded George Crossley, president of the central Florida chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union. "I'm reasonably cynical enough to know that these folks really don't care one way or another about what happens to

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Hmmm...wonder what he thinks about dudes who hang out in public restrooms offering $20 for blowjobs.

:shrug:

(In no way am I equating child molestation and homosexuality. I just find that it's ironic, time after time, that these people who legislate sexual morality are out there committing sex crimes.)

[TomInTib]

1. "I've done a lot of research on it". Yeah, I'll bet.

Field trips, libraries, the whole deal.

[Botany]

35. part 2 "I've done a lot of research on it ....."

:rofl:

[TomInTib]

2. I really liked this from the article..

"Stephen Lee Edmonds, 47, pleaded guilty in June of 2003 to molesting the brothers and a third boy. The former Northeast Florida Builders Association president and deacon at the First Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Fla., was charged with 13 felony counts, 10 of which were lewd and lascivious molestation. The boys claim he showed them pornographic material, regularly talked to them about masturbation, asked them if he could "whip him off," and fondled their buttocks and genitals."

[AlCzervik]

3. sorry i've been out all day, did this guy do something--Rep. Allen i mean?

thanks.

[Maddy McCall]

11. Caught soliciting in a public restroom.

Offered an undercover cop $20 to give the cop a blowjob.

[OnyxCollie]

39. Pay $20 to give a blowjob?

Talk about a win/win situation.

[Maddy McCall]

40. LOL.

[MrSlayer]

4. Well, being a hypocritical cocksucker doesn't mean he was wrong on this.

I see no link between pedos and people who go to prostitutes or prostitute themselves. I don't see any contradiction or irony here.

[goodgd_yall]

6. Have to say I agree

that I don't see hypocrisy either in this. There's a big difference in preying on children and sexual assault, and sex between consenting adults.

[Maddy McCall]

9. I see you didn't read my disclaimer, either.

I'm not equating the two.

Read my previous response to Slayer.

[Maddy McCall]

8. You didn't read my disclaimer, I see.

I'm suggesting no link between the two, other than that both are considered sex crimes.

And that some Republicans seem to have no qualms legislating sexual morality for all other Americans, while disregarding the skeletons that exist in their own closets.

[AlCzervik]

5. ******never mind******

[Fleshdancer]

7. I don't see the hypocrisy in this situation

I think it's sad that Rep Allen had to lie to his family, constituents and possibly even himself about his sexual orientation and resort to dangerous and unsafe means of sexual gratification. However, I see nothing hypocritical about being a closeted homosexual or bisexual and also wanting to ensure that children are safe from pedophiles.

[Maddy McCall]

10. Is it a crime to solicit blowjobs for money in public restrooms?

:shrug:

He's not just a "closeted homosexual." He got caught soliciting in a public place, which is a crime.

[MonkeyFunk]

14. yes

it's a crime, but it doesn't make him a sexual predator. It makes him a dumbass.

[ccpup]

16. but one has to wonder

what punishment Rep. Allen would have visited upon any other "degenerate" who did what he did. That's the OP's point, I believe.

He IS a hypocrite because I strongly suspect he would punish other people severely -- in a bid for votes and a "tough on crime" badge of honor -- for what he himself was caught doing. Of course, now he'll make a statement about confessing his Sins to God, seeking the forgiveness of his family and those who trust him, seeking counseling, blah blah blah, but I would be very curious to know his stance -- as a State Rep -- on the punishment meted out for other men caught in similar situations.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

15. what ever he is,

if your looking for sex in a public washroom, there is something fucking wrong with you.

[Fleshdancer]

31. but committing one crime doesn't mean you can't speak out against other crimes

I'm not saying what he did was a good thing, I just don't think he's a hypocrite for it. It does make him a liar, cheater, and a politician who broke the law in an embarrassing way however.

[Maddy McCall]

38. Of course not. But we're not talking about citizens' rights to offer opinions.

We're talking about a legislator who forms laws that you and I must obey, who was caught in a public bathroom in a public park soliciting a young man for oral sex, and offering to pay for it, which is a sex act that's against the law.

I would guess that this isn't his first time to solicit. I'm also curious as to whether or not he's ever solicited anyone underage. I'm sure that all of this will come out.

But see LoZocollo's post below, because it says what I was trying to convey better than I could ever convey.

[AlCzervik]

12. ok then i see what your saying but---what if a child walked into said public bathroom

while that was going on?

[Maddy McCall]

13. Exactly.

And what if the person he had solicited had not been a cop, but someone underage?

[MonkeyFunk]

17. and if he had raped

a wombat, he'd be a wombat-raper.

But he solicited a guy for a sexual act. That doesn't make him a sexual predator.

[Maddy McCall]

21. I never said that he's a child molestor.

[MonkeyFunk]

22. I never said you did

But given what we know now, he's not a sexual predator.

He's a hypocrite, a dumbass and a fraud, though.

[Maddy McCall]

27. Definitely agree with your second sentence.

Ok...new discussion.

I wonder if he would be considered a sexual offender? Or do sexual offenders have to prey on children to be labeled "sexual offenders?" (Prostitutes are listed as "sexual offenders" on Mississippi's sex offenders registry; don't know how that works in other states though.)

Because he also sponsored this bill in 2006:

HB 7117 - Sexual Predators and Offenders: Requires distinctive markings for driver's licenses and identification cards issued to persons who are designated as sexual predators or subject to registration as sexual offenders; provides procedures for offenders to obtain such licenses or identification cards; provides for initial issuance; prohibits the alteration of sexual predator or sexual offender markings on driver's licenses or identification cards; provides criminal penalties; requires sexual predators and sexual offenders to obtain a distinctive driver's license or identification card....

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=33906

[Ghost in the Machine]

24. You make a very sobering and valid point...

"However, I see nothing hypocritical about being a closeted homosexual or bisexual and also wanting to ensure that children are safe from pedophiles."

Well said... well said.

Now, if they want to look up his voting record on gay rights and same sex marriage, that's fair game, imho.

[Fleshdancer]

32. and THAT is exactly what should be researched

I did a casual google search earlier but didn't find anything. Since he's a republican, I think our chances are good that he has said something hypocritical about gay rights, Clinton's affair, the DC prostitution scandal, etc.

[karlrschneider]

29. I wonder if he supported this legislation hoping to deter -himself-...

:shrug:

[porphyrian]

30. That's what I was thinking. - n/t

[11 Bravo]

18. I hope they put him on suicide watch in the lock-up.

He might be tempted to "eliminate" himself.

[wiley]

19. The Florida Police don't have more important things to do?

This is ridiculous.

[Ghost in the Machine]

25. It's ridiculous to enforce the law?

As much as we all here scream about wanting justice, EQUAL justice at that, for everyone, explain how enforcing a law is ridiculous, please?

No matter how stupid or how senseless we think a law is, until it is taken off the books, it is still a law, and breaking it is still punishible.

Don't like the law? Work to get it changed. We can't enforce the law for a select few and let everyone else walk.

[Desperadoe]

28. This is ridiculous.

What if your 9 year old son would have walked in to that restroom and seen this happening? Would you be ok with that?

Which part of 'public' don't you get? Public, to me, means that it is a place where there very well may be children exposed to things that they should not have to witness or be exposed to.

[spanone]

20. 'elimination' somehow, i don't like this.

[blitzen]

23. what's more...He's co-chair of McCain's Florida campaign!!!

[Canuckistanian]

33. What's with Republican campaign chairs and co-chairs, anyways?

Perverted priests, drug dealers, sex offenders.

It's almost like DECENT people won't associate with....

Oh, I get it.

[Maddy McCall]

37. Which means that he probably agrees with McCain on the issues...

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0826initiatives26.html

[blitzen]

26. He and Foley hammered it out with the help of some young interns

[LoZoccolo]

34. You are not equating child molestation and homosexuality...

...but in his own mind, Representative Allen might have seen them both as sexual deviance similar in some respects, and therefore there might still be a connection that explains his actions.

[Maddy McCall]

36. Excellent point.

I'm not doing a good job today of conveying my thoughts. Been like that ever since I got back from vacation. :)

But, yeah, you've come closest to putting to words what I was trying to say. Thanks. :)