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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 09:04 PM
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Bush loses war on terror
Edited on Wed Jul-11-07 09:08 PM by ProSense

Al-Qaida has rebuilt, U.S. intel warns

By KATHERINE SHRADER and MATTHEW LEE, Associated Press Writers 2 hours, 21 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded al-Qaida has rebuilt its operating capability to a level not seen since just before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, The Associated Press has learned. The conclusion suggests that the group that launched the most devastating terror attack on the United States has been able to regroup along the Afghan-Pakistani border despite nearly six years of bombings, war and other tactics aimed at crippling it.

Still, numerous government officials say they know of no specific, credible threat of a new attack on U.S. soil.

A counterterrorism official familiar with a five-page summary of the new government threat assessment called it a stark appraisal to be discussed at the White House on Thursday as part of a broader meeting on an upcoming National Intelligence Estimate.

The official and others spoke on condition of anonymity because the secret report remains classified.

Counterterrorism analysts produced the document, titled "Al-Qaida better positioned to strike the West." The document focuses on the terror group's safe haven in Pakistan and makes a range of observations about the threat posed to the United States and its allies, officials said.

Al-Qaida is "considerably operationally stronger than a year ago" and has "regrouped to an extent not seen since 2001," the official said, paraphrasing the report's conclusions. "They are showing greater and greater ability to plan attacks in Europe and the United States."

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Mission Embarrassed!

Pretty sure this has to do with Chertoff's gut feeling.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 09:07 PM
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1. Bush is such a moron.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 09:22 PM
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2. A subversive strategy - proved throughout history. Tie down a superior military force
with hit and run guerrilla tactics. Make them play whack a mole and bleed them slowly while you build your strength.
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Homer12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 10:17 PM
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5. Except on a War Theatre Stage
There doing it on a world stage.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 09:26 PM
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3. But Clinton...
But it was ALL CLINTON'S FAULT they attacked America /rw ignoramus off
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 09:29 PM
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4. What the hell was the net result of *'s wars? 3600+ Americans dead,
600,000 Iraqis dead, immeasurable amount of suffering on all sides, destruction. Al Qaeda? Alive and well. Damn him, damn him forever!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 10:21 PM
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6. Is it war "on" terror or "for" terror? I keep getting confused.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 10:23 PM
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7. Herr Bushies getting us primed for some more good ole Nationalism...
duck and cover y'all
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 10:32 PM
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8. No, they're getting ready to stage another false flag attack on the US
and developing their back-story in the press. It'll be nightmares from hell 24/7 on the TV when it happens and they'll use this just like they've used 9/11 to justify the further evisceration of the constitution. Soon, even the pretense of a Democratic Republic will be gone.

Never mistake criminality for ignorance or failure. It is neither. It is policy. There's a reason they stopped looking for bin Laden; there's a reason they tied Iraq to 9/11 without cause. There was no more cause to tie bin Laden to it, you know, that they ever made public. All we've ever had was their say so -- and you all know how good that is, right?
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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 10:57 PM
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10. You're right, they're molding the story to fit whats planned next.
what fun.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 10:59 PM
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12. Here's the thing about that. No one believes Dubya any more.
I figure he has about 20 minutes to make an accurate statement when/if some incident does occur.

He will not be given any benefit of any doubt, and he better be very convincing and have solid proof.

Any deviation from the facts will be absolutely fatal for his reign. Folks have had enough and the won't take any more deception.

I don't think he can do it. I don't think he can tell the truth, even if his life depends on it.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 09:19 AM
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16. I don't think he can tell the truth, either.
Edited on Thu Jul-12-07 09:19 AM by Beam Me Up
But I also have come to think it doesn't make any difference. Seriously, what difference has it made that he has lied his way through his whole presidency? -- That, indeed, his occupation of the WH has been a lie from day 1? What consequence has it brought him -- other than to get him and his NEOCON handlers just about everything they ever wanted? Over and over and over again we've had to counter the lies that this administration has told and that the media has reported, for the most part without any question.

It gets worse. The media is owned, in the vernacular -- but we all know that. What most don't know is that the emergency management system is set up to take control of ALL -- including the internet -- ALL communications systems in case of a "national emergency." Television, radio, telephone, internet -- it would all be under direct government control.

Wiki snip:
After nearly 40 years with the Secretary of Defense serving as its Executive Agent, President George W. Bush transferred the National Communications System to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The NCS was one of 22 Federal agencies transferred to the Department on March 1, 2003, in accordance with Executive Order 13286. A revised Executive Order 12472 reflects the changes of E.O. 13286. On November 15, 2005, the NCS became part of the Department's Directorate for Preparedness after nearly two years under the Information Analysis and Infrastructure Protection Directorate. In March, 2007 the NCS became an entity of the National Protection and Programs Directorate. Currently, the DHS Under Secretary for National Protection and Programs Directorate serves as the NCS Manager.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Communications_System

And, of course, it all sounds official and necessary enough, policy established for anticipated emergency -- indeed, much, if not all, of the infrastructure put in place by the Bush administration appears to be in anticipation of a perceived DOMESTIC threat. One has to ask -- who is the government anticipating the need to protect itself from? So far it looks to me like nobody but a few 'weirdos' like us really give a shit.

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 04:39 PM
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20. Spare us rational people the conspiracy theory BS.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 04:41 PM
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21. Double Post
Edited on Thu Jul-12-07 04:41 PM by Odin2005
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:56 AM
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26. Spare us intuitive people your ravages of the truth (eom)
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:46 AM
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27. Yeah, right, the Bush cabal isn't a conspiracy! LoL
They didn't MEAN to steal the election of 2000 and 2004! They just ACCIDENTALLY implemented the strategies outlined in the PNAC "Rebuilding America's Defenses" document. They didn't INTEND to build a pipe-line from the Caspian across Afghanistan and to go to war with Iraq even before 9/11. Oh, no, all that and a million other things is "just a coincidence" -- and "19 Arab hijackers led by a man in a cave" is NOT a "conspiracy theory" -- even though LESS EVIDENCE has been presented to back up that accusation than was presented to "prove" Saddam had WMD.

You know, the old pejorative "I don't believe in conspiracy theories" knee jerk reaction, promulgated by the right wing originally, has lost a lot of its sting with quite a few intelligent and rational people. Gore Vidal said, "Apparently 'conspiracy stuff' is now shot-hard for unspeakable truth." So don't insult me with your insinuation that "conspiracy" is irrational.

Hardly.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 10:55 PM
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9. So that war in Iraq thingy didn't work?
"Bringin em on" and stuff was a BAD idea? Huh? Who woulda thunk it?! :sarcasm:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 10:57 PM
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11. So can we fucking impeach now? 17 more months of this shit.
Lying cronyin', embarassing us, stealing from us, promoting ignorance, killing our kids. Impeach these fuckers now!
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 11:02 PM
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13. He was warned by those who were INTELLIGENT and EXPERIENCED.
But, he listened to profiteers and whores and power-mongers.

What else can be said?

PFFT! He's just a manchurian winner, anyway. He wasn't "saved" during his unknown absence, he was psychologically re-tooled.
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 11:07 PM
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14. We have made America safer so that you can now be twice as afraid.
That's the view...through the looking glass.
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 02:32 AM
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15. As me and some of me rude buddies would say...
"Smooth move, Ex-lax!" :hurts:
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 10:03 AM
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17. Bush is their best President!
the terrorists haven't had this much free publicity in centuries. Republicans tried to give David Koresh some publicity, but they've made bin Laden into a hero for everyone who hates our country. 9/11 is now a benchmark for all terrorists to worship. if we wanted to defeat terrorism and make this country safer, the last thing our politicians should do is immortalize al-Qaida with every speech they make!
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:44 AM
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25. If they couldn't immortalize al-Qaida with every speech they make, then they would have nothing
to speechify about, now would they? :evilgrin: It's all they got.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 10:09 AM
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18. lord knows we haven't handed them the motivation & recruiting tools
on a silver platter or anything.

what a fucking dumbass -- but the morons who have followed and enabled him for so long are even dumber and more short-sighted. Like--DUH--they just couldn't figure out where this all was going to go, even though it was so obvious it was chiseled into their foreheads.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 04:33 PM
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19. Kick! n/t
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 04:43 PM
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22. Congradulations, Chimpy, you have made this country LESS safe.
:grr:
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 04:48 PM
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23. I swear to God!
If there's one shred of an iota of anything even remotely resembling any kind of terrorist behavior in the next 12 months, someone needs to round up the Bush cabal and throw them in the slammer until we get this ugly mess all sorted out.

They are so fucking transparent, I could scream!!!

(please forgive my strong language. What I meant to say was, "Thank you. Have a nice day.")
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:35 AM
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24. Kick! n/t
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