"Senate opened with a Hindu prayer placing false god on a level with Jesus!" 3 arrests.

[Bluebear]

Theology has moved from the church house onto the floor of the United States Senate, and has been arrested.

Contact: Dr. Pat McEwen, Operation Save America, 321-431- 3962

WASHINGTON, July 12 /Christian Newswire/ -- Ante Pavkovic, Kathy Pavkovic, and Kristen Sugar were all arrested in the chambers of the United States Senate as that chamber was violated by a false Hindu god. The Senate was opened with a Hindu prayer placing the false god of Hinduism on a level playing field with the One True God, Jesus Christ. This would never have been allowed by our Founding Fathers.

"Not one Senator had the backbone to stand as our Founding Fathers stood. They stood on the Gospel of Jesus Christ! There were three in the audience with the courage to stand and proclaim, 'Thou shalt have no other gods before me.' They were immediately removed from the chambers, arrested, and are in jail now. God bless those who stand for Jesus as we know that He stands for them." Rev. Flip Benham, Director, Operation Save America/Operation Rescue

To Schedule Interviews with Rev. Benham:

Contact Pat McEwen: 321 431 3962

http://www.earnedmedia.org/osa0712.htm

[sinkingfeeling]

1. Disgusting! How dare these a**holes !

[Bluebear]

2. 'This would never have been allowed by our Founding Fathers.'

:crazy:

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[knitter4democracy]

8. They sure don't know history.

Sheesh. Idiots.

[YOY]

17. If these people think the founding fathers were a bunch of Fundies

then it truly shows they have never cracked a book in their lives (well maybe ONE book...)

Fargin idjits...

[mikeytherat]

48. No, they have NOT cracked that one book. Ever.

mikey_the_rat

[YOY]

55. They seem to know choice bits of Leviticus by heart

Prolly spoon fed to them by some fleecing tw*t of a preacher.

[zbdent]

59. talk about "cafeteria Catholics"

Repukes's bibles must be one sheet of paper with slivers of cuttings from a real bible ...

[YOY]

63. I HIGHLY doubt they were Catholics (or Mormons, or any other sane branch of Protestantism)

Born agains, Southern Baptists, or some form of Evangelitical more likely.

[zbdent]

100. Don't expect them to be Catholic, per se, but

gee, don't they grab onto the Catholic stance on abortion as a divisive issue ... funny how they don't feel the same way about the Catholic stance on the death penalty, too ...

[derby378]

76. Yes, but I'm sure handling snakes and faith healing WOULD have been allowed

And I'm gonna need a faith healer right about now, because this fear snake is starting to look at me funny...

[KAT119]

73. Here Are "The Forged Origins of the New Testament"

All fully researched and carefully documented by Biblical Scholars=fascinating! Creation of Jesus Christ allegory/ myth by Emperor Constantine in 4th century BC at Council of Naicea! Combined Eastern-'Krishna' (Hindu) and Western 'Hesus (Druidic) = Hesus Krishna togethe to have only 1 god in order to unite the Roman Empire (hundreds of gods and goddesses) and increase control/ allegiance etc.

Christians have no idea of origins of Christianity 20 centuries ago....There was NO virgin birth/No Ressurection/Ascension into heaven. No single author of New Testament.

NO JESUS CHRIST!! And All that Bigotry, Bloodshed and Judgement against others!! Biggest Story Ever Sold!

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/NewTestament.html

[speakclearly]

75. Isn't this one of those........

"we have the First Ammendment not protect the speech we agree with, but the speech that that we find objectionable". They got arrested. They will go before a judge. Its kind of like a "sit in" where the protesters are chanting "whatever". Civil disobedience is a tactic we on the left employ on a regular basis. There are even some people who think "Cindy" is a "disgusting a**hole".

As a sidenote, here is a link to the Hindu "gods".
http://www.sanatansociety.org/hindu_gods_and_goddesses.htm

Not that there is anything wrong with them!

[sinkingfeeling]

77. I meant disgusting that they should claim their faith is the only one allowed.

They can shout whatever they want, but they have no right to rewrite history nor to have their 'one true god' to be raised above another.

[liberal N proud]

3. Help clear this up - Who was arrested?

Was it the three who stood and proclaimed 'Thou shalt have no other gods before me.'?
or was it ones who said the Hindu prayer?

[quiet.american]

15. The Jesus Camp folk were the ones who were arrested. n/t

[Az]

16. The three who intererupted

The individual reading the Hindu prayer was there by request.

[annabanana]

91. The Hindu prayer was the official Invocation for the Day.

And it was quite nice.

[ixion]

4. another sad day for democracy

there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why these people should be in jail.

[ProfessorGAC]

9. Removed From The Chamber, Yes. Jail, No.

They were obviously there only to disrupt. It breaks decorum. So, out you go! But, arresting them is stupid.
GAC

[proud2BlibKansan]

24. They have been arresting Code Pinkers too

Fair is fair.

[ProfessorGAC]

31. I Think That's Wrong Too

Disrupting the proceedings is grounds for removal. It should not be grounds for charges.

Nobody should ever be charged, absent some attempt to hurt somebody. The Code Pinkers should have all charges dropped and same with these radical right screaming meemies.
GAC

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. I agree

but I would be screaming from the rooftops if these Jesus freaks had NOT been arrested and the Code Pinkers were.

[The Stranger]

71. If they broke the law, arrest them. No special exceptions for them.

[IChing]

14. Which people?

[trashcanistanista]

19. They were arrested for disrupting

congress, disorderly conduct. This can also be construed as hate speech. There is nothing in our Constitution that says jebus is the one true god when it comes to morning prayer in congress. NOTHING.

[IChing]

22. Let me guess all were Republicans

Do we have any names yet?

[Madspirit]

51. I doubt these fundie nuts will be in jail long

Good thing they got tossed out on their asses though.
Lee

[emanymton]

5. I Am At A Loss.

-
Seems to me, the three should be rendered to 'Club Gitmo.' What could have gotten everyone so upset? The only true god in USA is MONEY.
.

[quiet.american]

7. Good. Those fanatics should have been tossed out.

And this Rev. Benham should be compelled to attend history classes until he understands this country was founded upon the principle of freedom of religion.

[BlueJazz]

10. "Your Food and personal belongings are in the other room"

"When your God sets you free, come and eat, pick-up your stuff and you're free to go"

[Bandit]

11. What the hell is religion doing in the Senate anyway?

This is not the house of God, be it Christian or Hindu, it is a part of the people's house.

[Madspirit]

54. ...and most importantly!

Exactly! What the hell is ANY god doing in the Senate?
Lee

[zonmoy]

81. way I see it until they toss out the congressional chaplains

there should be a law saying that every prayer is given by a randomly selected religious leader. just say that if you think that the reaction to a Buddhist is bad then imagine what would happen when the lot draws a satanist or a wiccan.

[Nikki Stone1]

12. Seems to me there should be NO prayers in the Senate to any god.

We have a secular government and , at least nominal, freedom of religion.

[Ganja Ninja]

36. Exactly!

:applause:

[robinlynne]

98. thank-you!

[mainegreen]

13. Gee, three in the audience were arrested for disturbing the senate with hateful, fundy vitriol?

Let me call the waaaaaaahmbulance.

[hobbit709]

18. Can they prove their claim to "false Hindu god"?

No more than they can prove their god is true either.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

20. Since when is Jesus the One True God?

When I was a Christian, I was taught he was the son of God, just as we all are children of God. I've always been uncomfortable with people who worship him as the One True God. And boy, they don't know much about Hinduism if they talk about the "Hindu god". Which one? I believe there are 108 major dieties.

Frankly, I'll just go along with the the prayer from the founder of my order-it says in part-

"Allow us to recognize Thee in all Thy Holy Names and Forms, As Rama, as Krishna, as Shiva, as Buddha. Allow us to know Thee as Abraham, as Solomon, as Zarathustra, as Moses, as Jesus, as Mohammed, and in many other names and forms, known and unknown to the world."

I hope the Hindo prayer was to Shiva, personally, as Shiva dances upon the dwarf of Ignorance, something we need more of in the Senate, I think.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

26. dances of the dwarf of ignorance? Did not know that. thanks.

but damn, that sure fits, doesn't it though?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

27. Shiva Nataraj

Here's a photo. The dwarf is a little guy, but you can see him under Shiva's feet. Jai Shiva!!!!

[MilesColtrane]

66. I like the extra hands.

"I have become Shiva, bitch-slapper of fundies."

[conscious evolution]

94. LOL

That is a good one!

[havocmom]

32. A particularly lovely prayer. Thank you for sharing it with us.

:hug:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

34. You are welcome n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

21. Sounds to me like the three KNEW this was going to happen and showed up

to get attention for their cause. "We're being persecuted!"

[varun]

25. This event was pre-publicized in fundie AFA newsletter

Someone forwarded me an email from American Family Association (fundie group) that a Hindu prayer was supposed to be read in the US senate.

I'm sure that prompted these loonies to become disorderly.

I hope AFA comes to their rescue...or maybe their God will rescue them now.

[WolverineDG]

89. Forgive me, but until I see a "Lions 7 Christians 0" scoreboard

I'm going to turn a deaf ear to cries of "persecution."

dg

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. They were arrested for disrupting the hearing

And since many many Code Pinkers have been arrested for the same thing, I don't see the problem here.

[Az]

28. As always

When someone tries to represent any belief other than Christianity within our government some group of Christians rise up to raise a stink. Its the same story every time. If an atheist pipes up that there shouldn't be any religion involved in the governance of our nation they are shouted down. If a Muslim dared ask that their prayers be respected in a public building the reaction would be incendiary.

Its not all Christians of course. But time after time whenever anyone tries to point out that it needs to be either all or nothing when it comes to religion in Government the ones that howl the most are certain members of the Christian church. If anyone dares to get some attention other than them its the end of the world. If they are not allowed to push their belief on others they are being oppressed. Again, its not all Christians. Not even close. But there are some very very noisy Christians out there making the rest of them look intolerant.

[havocmom]

29. Some fundie xians WANT to be 'persecuted, like Christ'

It is SO much easier than actually LIVING the life He outlined.

Real Christians walk the walk in my observation. The TALKERS seem not to be hung up on following any teaching but those they personally cherry-pick.

[wakeme2008]

30. I would bet they were quite when a Jewish pray opened the

Senate.

[YOY]

35. Quite what?

n/t

[Az]

37. Me thinks quite=quiet + typo n/t

[YOY]

39. Aye Az, I think you'rre right!

I guess my "obvious detector" is not working today.

[Az]

41. Rrrrrr

Thanks for contributing to my Rrrr collection matey!

[YOY]

43. With the Loofie Av, I thought you'd appreciate it!

Actually I just made a typo mistake...so much for criticizing others, eh?

[Az]

46. Count yourself amongst the few

That got my avatar right.

[YOY]

52. I was unemployed for a 1/2 year a year ago

I watched alot of Cartoon Network and G4 in my depression... I guess it paid off. It's a creative/clever show if a bit silly.

[Az]

57. Ooooohhhh

So sorry you had to sit through the 4kids dubbing of One Piece. Its a crime what they did to it. They cut all the edges off it and lobotomized it.

[YOY]

58. Japanese version better? How?

What did they do to it?

[Az]

61. Lots

They edited out almost all mention of death. Cut the blood. Cut the language. They cut the impact of events on the characters. The reedited entire storylines in order to make them easier for American kids to get.

They cut out the smoking. Which in the case of the Character named Smoker was just down right ridiculous. They painted in suckers over the cigarettes and cigars that the characters were puffing on.

The real impact of One Piece is the dedication and commitment of the main characters when faced with real adversity. The commitment to the pursuit of one's dreams is the focus of the show. And by cutting the impact of the adversity they face in order to appease the American audience they did real damage to the story. The complaints got so intense that the company 4Kids eventually dumped their interest in the series. Viz media picked it up and has promised to do new edits of it. They will still tone down some of the language but they committed to keeping the stories intact. On their DVD releases they promised to use the original Japanese without edits as well. The only question was whether they would redo the episodes that 4Kids had butchered for the DVD releases.

[Maeve]

38. What, exactly, was the prayer? Was there something said or just the tradition it came from? eom

[Az]

40. It was just a traditional Hindu prayer

The objection of course was that it was not a Judeo/Christian prayer. You know. The one true god.

[Maeve]

44. I get that--I just wanted the words

I totally expect they are inoculous and wouldn't offend if the origin wasn't known to the Know-Nothings.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

96. Link to video

of the prayer right here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x40454

[Maeve]

97. Thank you. They interupted before he spoke

"Lead us from darkness to light" Yeah, I'm sure Jesus would object to that prayer! :eyes:

"Lord, what fools these mortals be!"

[wakeme2008]

60. Not Judeo just Christian

"They stood on the Gospel of Jesus Christ!"

[HughMoran]

42. Small minded hate mongers

I'm glad these people waste their lives away seeking satisfaction in something that is not achievable.

I laugh at their wasted lives, though I am angered at the hate they spew and the angst that they create in good people.

[The Cleaner]

45. This is not a church sanctuary; these people have no concept of separation of church and state.

Besides some of our founding fathers like Jefferson were DEISTS who rejected the Bible as inspired, thus rejected Christ too.

[Vickers]

47. I wonder if those numbnuts realize Hinduism predates Christianity...

:eyes:

[Az]

49. An interesting visual demonstration of that

http://mapsofwar.com/images/Religion.swf

[annabanana]

92. Thanks... very interesting map!. . .n/t

[Odin2005]

85. IIRC Christianity and Hinduism in it's modern form originated at around the same time.

What I know about Hinduism is that it's pantheistic, unlike the polytheistic Vedic paganism it developed from. Hinduism developed from a fusion between the old paganism, ancient Indian philosophy, and Buddhism at around the same time Christianity was spreading through the Roman Empire.

[Madspirit]

50. k&r...n/t

[Rosemary2205]

53. WHY was the Senate opened with a Hindu prayer?

Or a christian one or a muslim one or a jewish one or a voodoo one. A moment of silence I can see but a prayer? I thought the supreme court settled the issue of prayer in public facilities already.

[Az]

56. It is a long standing tradition to open the senate with a prayer

In deference to trying to remain neutral various other beliefs are invited to read their prayers from time to time. Although the senate does have a tax paid chaplain on the premises and the prayer is usually Judeo/Christian in nature.

[WinkyDink]

65. Maybe it's time to stop that practice altogether.

[Saphire]

62. Maybe there should be some sort of

separation of church and state, ya think? :sarcasm:

[Golden Raisin]

64. And of course their Jay-zus is blond,

blue-eyed and speaks American English. The Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves!

[Az]

67. You mean like this?

[YOY]

72. More like this:

http://www.nationalshrine.com/atf/cf/{3B17C6B3-18AB-4C42-BFF7-C6F9BCE8CAC6}/pic39_2.jpg

I call it JESUS CHRIST, OUR LORD OF THE WWE SMACKDOWN!

[Pastiche423]

101. Wow

That looks so much like.............you!

[DutchLiberal]

68. As much as I disagree with them,

why did they get arrested? Is it forbidden to voice your opinion, even if it is a retarded one?

And one more question: is praying in the Senate a regular/common thing? If so: where is the separation of church and state?

[Az]

69. I think it was the disruption factor

I don't think it was just a minor comment. It sounds like they were shouting and attempting to impede the senate. They have arrested other groups like Code Pink for such things. No reason to treat them any different.

[DutchLiberal]

70. You're right about that.

[Dervill Crow]

74. So it was the "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" women who were arrested?

If I'm reading this correctly, I have to say RIGHT ON!!

Hindu gods deserve equal time.

[Az]

78. I wonder how viceral a reaction there would be to Secular Humanists

giving the opening comments.

[Bluebear]

79. "Someone better tell FEMA to gear up.........we are turning our back on God letting this happen!"

http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=6539

Rapture-ready board thread and prayer chain.

[Stinky The Clown]

80. Religious Yahoos

False Christians

Yellow Patriots

[Buck Turgidson]

82. ...terrorists.

[Stinky The Clown]

83. .

:thumbsup:

[IronLionZion]

84. Good

The Senators have a right to recite a prayer if they feel like it. These fundies have the right to protest (and to get arrested for disturbing the senate proceedings). And we all have the right to believe what we want to believe because unlike some countries we do NOT have a state religion.

It's in our constitution.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I would find it really interesting to see what state religion they would/could impose on us. It's not like they can just make us join the church of england (episcopalian). And I'm sure the different protestant groups would fight amongst themselves and with the Catholics.

[WolverineDG]

86. Jesus isn't God

& when alive, he wasn't even Christian. He was Jewish. Oh wait, I'm applying logic to this situation. :crazy:

dg

[guitar man]

87. what idiots

They need to go get an education :grr:

Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting the words "Jesus Christ," so that it should read, "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination. (Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 363)

[BlooInBloo]

88. Poor persecuted christians.

[annabanana]

90. I wish the CSpan cameras had caught it.... These nutbags need some airtime

The more often they are on camera, the clearer the picture becomes to "unengaged America". .

[Gormy Cuss]

95. TPM has video

You can here the disruptors, but not see them
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

[BlooInBloo]

99. Digging this up will help to increase exposure....

http://digg.com/politics/VIDEO_First_Ever_Hindu_Prayer_in_U_S_Senate_Shouted_Down

[eppur_se_muova]

93. A little message for the fundies ...