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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 01:06 PM
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They don't sell Scotchguard anymore
I spent an hour going from store to store looking for Scotchguard and it seemed so strange that no stores had it that I came back and Googled it. This is what I found:


http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2005/02/22_edgerlym_3mscience/



Chemical contamination found in wells and landfills in Washington County (Maplewood, MN) has been linked to substances made by 3M. 3M's announcement in 2000 that it was phasing out its popular Scotchgard product led to a major investigation by the Federal Environmental Protection Agency. The anti-stain spray contained chemicals toxic to lab animals. The chemicals had also turned up in the blood of 3M workers, though the company said its employees were not harmed.

On the state level, an investigation by Minnesota Public Radio and American Radio Works found that even after 3M said it would no longer make the chemicals, the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency let two years pass before it began any inquiries.

<snip>

On Jan. 25, 2005, Oakdale residents (St. Paul MN) learned their drinking water was contaminated with chemicals formerly made by 3M.

At the news conference, health department scientists joined Oakdale's mayor and some of his staff at city hall to get out the word -- tests of six city wells showed that five of them were contaminated. But the amounts of the chemicals –- called PFOA and PFOS -- were small.

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These chemicals are present around the world, including in the U.S. blood supply, the blood of 3M plant workers, as well as fish, birds and animals living far from chemical factories. Until 2000, 3M was the sole manufacturer of this family of chemicals, which went into Scotchgard.

Scotchgard is made from a chemical that breaks down into PFOS. It was primarily made at 3M's plant in Decatur, Alabama. PFOS was produced at 3M's plant in Cottage Grove, Minnesota, and sold to customers like DuPont for use in its Teflon brand of non-stick coatings.

<snip>

In fact, scientists say, perfluorochemicals like PFOS and PFOA don't break down at all in the environment. Scientists are still studying how they enter humans, but it's thought to be through air and water. Once the chemicals are in the body, 3M's medical director Dr. Larry Zobel says they hitch a ride with protein in the bloodstream, and circulate through the body.

They're very unlike other materials that get in the body and stay a long time, which might go to fat or to bone. These materials don't. They're actively moving around the body," explains Zobel. "They bind to protein in the blood. The liver removes them and actually excretes them in the bile. So they get into the intestine, and as they're moved down the intestine they are re-absorbed again. So they come back through the circulation back to the liver, they re-attach to protein and they circulate some more."

:wow:



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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 01:08 PM
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1. I have scotchguard on certain chair cushions
Why do we find this out years later? Yikes.
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 01:58 PM
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13. I cannot count the number of times I've had my carpet scotchguarded.
Even recently, when I got it cleaned, the guy asked if I wanted the guarding again.

It seems like it may not be fully off the market if it's still being offered--or the guy was just trying to swindle me.

Also, I noticed when googling other fabric protectors as alternatives that it seems to still be available at some places.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 01:09 PM
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2. On the bright side, unsightly stains just wipe off my skin
I'm also non-stick.

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 01:16 PM
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7. Hmmm.. Some interesting applications come to mind
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 01:09 PM
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3. Well if it keeps my intestines stain-free, then sign me up!
Have you seen the state of your intestines? It can get pretty dirty in there!
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 02:00 PM
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14. That's funny in a dark sort of way. But you know, it could very well
happen that some of this toxic stuff may actually turn out to be beneficial. Who knows?
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 01:10 PM
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4. Bummer
Scotchguard is delicious!
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 01:11 PM
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5. Teflon should be banned also
Manufacturers get a pass by saying there is no chemical transference below certain temperatures.

We gave up our only teflon pan about 16 years ago.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 01:15 PM
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6. Plus, it sucks as a cooking surface
Well-seasoned cast iron is soooo much better.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 01:32 PM
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11. I grew up with a mom who let the Teflon skillet get all ratty and
shedding bits into food. I used one myself for few years in college, but not since. I just LOVE my nearly-non-stick cast iron.....
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:04 AM
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27. I stopped using Teflon (or generic forms thereof) a few years ago
After reading an article about the possible effects of ingesting it. I now use cast iron or stainless steel and oil or cooking spray. I don't even see the advantage to Teflon anymore.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 01:17 PM
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8. Wasn't the Roman Empire finally brought down by lead cooking utensils, cups and placewear?
Edited on Thu Jul-12-07 01:19 PM by leveymg
It seems that widespread ingestion of Scotchguard and teflon in America may have the same results.
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 02:02 PM
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15. I think Scotchguard is sold worldwide and so is Teflon. It won't only be the American empire. n/t
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 01:21 PM
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9. I have an old can in the garage if you need it
Just kidding---sounds like nasty stuff.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 01:28 PM
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10. humans have a long history of such foolishness....
"lead makes excellent plumbing material!" - some dead Roman. (interesting trivia: the word "plumb" comes from the Latin word for "lead")

"Asbestos is the material of the future!"

etc.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 01:33 PM
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12. Better Living Through Chemistry (Unless you plan to live a LONG time)
I REFUSED to buy flameproof pjs for my kids.. I scoured garage sales & bought all the old soft comfy jammies I could find..

My babies rarely smoked in bed, and by the time a fire was close enough to burn their jammies, I think smoke would have been a bigger issue anyway..

My kids wore 100% COTTON.. (even if it was a pain to iron stuff )
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:00 AM
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26. Mine, too.
I bought cotton items that weren't treated with flame retardant for my kids to wear as p.j.'s. Even just cotton undershirts and boxers or sweats. However, ironing? What's that? :P

It's always hard to convince me that "modern wonder materials" are safe. I've read repeatedly that Teflon is safe because, "it isn't absorbed" by our bodies. Still, I use very little non-stick cookware and toss it as soon as it becomes scratched.

There is no reason to trust that the FDA is doing it's job anymore, after all these years of Rethug influence.



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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:03 AM
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18. That would explain the 'Pb' on the table of elements.
Yet another useless factoid to add to my encyclopedic knowlege of useless stuff. :) Thanky.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 07:08 AM
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16. morning kick
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Deb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:37 AM
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17. I bought a "new formula" Scotchgard at JoAnn's Fabric store
There was a sign next to the cans announcing that it was available again. So far it's worked ok for the new outdoor cushions I'd sewn.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:12 AM
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19. My wife inhaled Scotchguard while they sprayed her sofa.
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 09:13 AM by joeunderdog
We weren't married yet and were talking on the phone. Her lungs filled up immediately, causing her to have difficulty speaking and getting air. She got worse by the second on the phone, coughing and wheezing. It took weeks before she could breathe normally again.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:13 AM
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20. My boss asked me to get some a couple of months ago
Now I know why I couldn't find it!

Thanks for the info.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:21 AM
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21. Apparently they still do in Kirkwood, Mo. ...
http://kkind.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=KII&Category_Code=3MSG&gclid=CKW4rZv3pI0CFRuxgAodg2FWtw
KK Industries, Inc.
844 S. Harrison Ave.
Kirkwood MO 63122 800 325 9053
314 822 2270
314 822 2112 Fax
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Misskittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:30 AM
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22. Look at the ad in the upper left corner. Clearly, it's still available.n/t
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:47 AM
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23. Home Depot sells Scotchgard
Look very closely at that weasel phrase: "no longer MAKE the chemicals."

They're right. They don't make PFOA anymore. DuPont does...at a site about ten miles from my house, but that's beside the point. And, more to the point, it's the world's only site where PFOA is made.

It makes more sense for DuPont to make PFOA than for 3M to make it, because DuPont is the biggest user.

But yeah, it's pretty easy to get Scotchgard. You'll find it in the paint department near the paint thinners.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 12:11 PM
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24. Home Depot DOES NOT sell Scotchguard.
I work in Home Depot. We discontinued it at least two years ago.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:39 PM
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25. Home Depot 3626 has Scotchgard
I walked down Aisle 8, where we keep the Scotchgard, this evening just to make sure. We have three different styles of it--light-duty, heavy-duty and carpet. All active SKUs.

Maybe YOU guys don't have it, but it's still available at mine.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:12 AM
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28. There was a young man in my town who was sniffing that shit to get high!
It killed him!
I realize this is unrelated but this topic reminded me of that! Truly sad!
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:15 AM
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29. I knew a woman who raised her family in Oakdale....
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 01:17 AM by Zookeeper
and she recently died very soon after a sudden illness and diagnosis of cancer.

As soon as I heard about the 3M chemicals found in Oakdale's groundwater, I made the connection.

3M and the MPCA is claiming that it hasn't and won't make any one ill, but how likely is it that they have really investigated the matter? And if they have, would they admit anything at this point?

Now, the chemicals are showing up far beyond Oakdale and Cottage Grove. Oddly, they have been found in Lake Calhoun in south Minneapolis, which is, I'm guessing, a good thirty miles away and has no connecting waterway and doesn't share an aquifer, as far as I know.

There has been some new information released saying that the MPCA doesn't even know how they can clean up this pollution. Supposedly, 3M will try to figure something out. :eyes:

Edited for smiley.

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