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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 02:33 PM
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Barbara Boxer: Impeachment "Should Be On The Table. ...As Close As We've Ever Come To A Dictatorship
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Barbara Boxer: Impeachment "Should Be On The Table. This Is As Close As We've Ever Come To A Dictatorship"
Submitted by JonathanSchwarz on Thu, 2007-07-12 18:26. Impeachment

Here's Barbara Boxer on the Ed Schultz Show yesterday. Though she wimped out a bit at the end, she was mostly strong on the necessity of considering impeachment.

(If you haven't already, sign the ImpeachCheney.org petition and the Moveon impeachment petition.)

Listen (mp3)at link~

SCHULTZ: They're throwing down the gauntlet. They're just declaring that they're not going to change anything -- the President in Cleveland yesterday saying, we're just getting started. So in the meantime, the frustration of the American people continues to build, and I have to tell you Senator, I'm not trying to rope you into a conversation one way or another or where you're at on this, but I want to say this for our listeners: they want impeachment put back on the table. They want impeachment on the table as a bargaining chip. Because for instance, Scooter Libby, commuting the sentence, what happened today with Sarah Taylor saying she'd been instructed by the president not to say anything, Alberto Gonzales, the story today about how he was briefed over the Patriot Act and then lied a week later in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee. I mean, when is enough is enough?

BOXER: Yeah. I mean, you left out a bunch of things -- spying on citizens without a warrant, going around FISA, on and on. Look, I have always said it should be on the table. Ed, I've always said it. I was on a book tour and I ran into John Dean of Watergate fame. He was on the book tour that I was on, for his book. And it was right after we discovered that the administration was spying on our people without a warrant. And he just said, he looked at me and basically just said, as far as he could see, unless there was some explanation for this, this was impeachable. I've always said that you need to keep it on the table, and you need to look at these things, because now people are dying because of this administration. That's the truth. And they won't change course. They are ignoring the Congress. They keep signing these signing statements which mean that he's decided not to enforce the law. This is as close as we've ever come to a dictatorship. When you have a situation where Congress is stepped on, that means the American people are stepped on. So I don't think you can take anything off the table. Because in fact the Constitution doesn't permit us to take these things off the table.

SCHULTZ: Would you counsel Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to put it on the table and make a statement before everybody goes home in August. Because they're going to get an earful from the American people when they go home.

BOXER: Well, I don't presume to tell people what to do. I have made my statements. And of course if asked I will say. I've been out there, I'm out here again today. I think, John Conyers is -- this is where impeachment starts. When Alberto Gonzales, when it came out that he fired these U.S. attorneys, that it was politics being played with it, I thought then that we should look into impeachment hearings. So I don't think it should be taken off the table.

On the other hand, we've got a war to end. We've got things that we've got to keep on doing. So if we do this right, we should give it to the appropriate committees, let them do the hard work that it entails, but we have to do something about health insurance. We have to do something about global warming. We have to end this war. We have to do something about education. And all these other things. About the budget deficit. You have to walk and chew gum at the same. And I know Nancy's point was, we have to reverse about seven years of this horrific administration's policies, and she's fearful of losing steam on that, in that regard.

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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 02:41 PM
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1. Boxer is a fighter
How about a Boxer/Feingold ticket? Now that would really freak out the fundies! Both Barbara and Russ have shown true courage, standing alone if necessary in defense of their principles and the Constitution.

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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 02:43 PM
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3. We need her more in the Senate
It's where she does her best work
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 02:41 PM
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2. I still think some Congress Critters don't get the big picture.
Yes, I understand they want to move forward and get things done. But with each step forward, we're taking two or three backward.

Anything meaningful will not get through, because Bush will veto it. It's a waste of everyone's precious time and the taxpayer's empty purses. Congress must accept the fact that they need to go to the heart of our problems first: and that is BUSH AND CHENEY AND CO. They are going to have to deal with them if they want to start undoing the damage and fixing some of the problems they've created.

I love Barbara Boxer, big time. I think she's wonderful, but they all keep talking about doing other things, and yes, those things are important, but what's the use if they're just going to get vetoed?
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jodini Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:14 AM
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39. my thoughts exactly...
As long as these crooks are in office, nothing productive will get accomplished anyway. Christ, my concern is that even if they did manage to pass something w/ a veto-proof margin, say requiring the redeployment of troops in Iraq, that this Administration is not going to follow that either. Why would they? They have put signing statements on everything that did not suit their needs.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 02:46 PM
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4. If anyone heard her spoke Monday on C-Span she got
cheers on her attack of the war.

Boxer for Majority leader, Harry is OK and a decent strategist but
we need a tough tongue these days
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:49 AM
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36. I heard her AND the applause afterward. That speech was AMAZING. BOXER for Prez!
:loveya:

Majority Leader works for me too though. Reid is pretty useless these days.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 02:58 PM
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5. K*R. Thanks Babylonsister. Barbara Boxer is always there when the chips are down.


I'm firmly convinced that the Democratic Party would have begun a rolling implosion if Boxer had
not challenged the Ohio electors in 2004. Boxer was there.

Now, the party is in danger of losing the support of 11/2006 due to short sightedness. Boxer on
impeachment opens the door to save the party once again.

The very worst thing that can happen is for Bloomberg of Hagel or another Republican to "flank" us
on impeachment. Whoever comes out first wins with the public and for us to be second means we're
irrelevant to the most intense group of activists out there, those who want impeachment (regardless
of their particular issue).


Thank you Barbara Boxer.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 03:03 PM
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7. Yes, she shows guts and she should get the glory


Mighty proud of her for this.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 03:02 PM
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6. Thank you Senator.
That's the way to stand up. Just speak out is all many of us are asking. Conyers knows what to do. Just everyone get behind him.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 03:08 PM
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8. Thank you, Senator Boxer!
Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread babylonsister.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 03:08 PM
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9. ITMFA!!!
It should have always been on the table. Enough is enough.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 07:53 PM
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10. K & R for Boxer! I love her. nt
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 08:20 PM
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11. YES!!
IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 08:21 PM
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12. Whatever it is it can wait. Impeachment is the People's business!
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 08:50 PM
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13. Trying to do anything other than impeachment
Edited on Thu Jul-12-07 08:51 PM by DearAbby
would be treating a mortal wound with Q-tips. This country is bleeding of a massive wound, the constitution has been compromised. IMPEACHMENT is the tourniquet that is vital in saving this Republic. The other things can follow and possibly much better chances of it passing and becoming law.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 08:52 PM
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14. I love her
I think the tide is turning and the repubs will have to jump onboard soon or ruin their own careers.

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Piedras Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 09:22 PM
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15. Get on with hearings to impeach Bush and Cheney
Edited on Thu Jul-12-07 09:30 PM by slosteve
I highly respect my Senator Boxer for speaking up about the 2004 election. I'm pleased to read that she's talking about how impeachment should be on the table. She pissed me off supporting Lieberman's reelection in Conn against Ned Lamont.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 09:22 PM
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16. K&R
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kimpossible Donating Member (785 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 01:14 AM
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17. Boxer stands up for us again!
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 02:01 AM
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20. Boxer gets it! Again and again! n/t
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 01:18 AM
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18. I already contributed to her 2010 campaign.
I think it's important to support the good ones.

http://www.barbaraboxer.com/home
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 01:20 AM
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19. Sen. Barbara Boxer agrees with Cindy Sheehan
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 02:07 AM
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22. But she didn't leave the Democratic Party to say it,
and she didn't flame the party on slavery, wars or the income tax. There's a difference, and it's a big one.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:41 AM
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29. No, but Cindy Sheehan's doing those things caused her to (FINALLY) say it.
It was effectively done, despite the fact that you didn't like it.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:00 AM
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43. Wait a minute,
This was how it put before Barbara:

"They're throwing down the gauntlet. They're just declaring that they're not going to change anything -- the President in Cleveland yesterday saying, we're just getting started. So in the meantime, the frustration of the American people continues to build, and I have to tell you Senator, I'm not trying to rope you into a conversation one way or another or where you're at on this, but I want to say this for our listeners: they want impeachment put back on the table."

Cindy or no Cindy, I believe Boxer would have responded the same way.

Of course you'll disagree.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:11 AM
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47. If Boxer were going to do it all along, the timing sure coincides with Sheehan's move.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:46 AM
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50. You know what, I think Cindy was responsible for
the topic being brought up at all, so you're right, she does deserve some credit.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 02:07 AM
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21. Boxer Needs To Be On The Ballot
Being pro-impeachment alone could get her the nomination.

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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 02:16 AM
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23. As in 'Dick-tatorship'? n/t
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 02:32 AM
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24. K&R! I remember the first time I heard ans saw Ms. Boxer speak..
I caught her on one of the channels and stopped to listen to her. The whole time, I was wondering "who is this wonderful, fiery lady?" .... she really impressed me, and continues to do so...

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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 03:26 AM
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25. Big k + r
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 07:54 AM
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26. I wish Sen Boxer was running for president. She stood up against the fraudulent
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 07:54 AM by mod mom
election when other Dem "leaders" were silent. She is a true fighter!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 07:55 AM
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27. K & R, Baby !!!
:bounce::woohoo::bounce:
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:40 AM
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28. Cindy Sheehan's impact is being felt.
Slam impeachment back down on to the fucking table.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:14 AM
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31. Yes, Cindy has put impeachment on the table in a big way, despite the
naysayers.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:02 AM
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30. Barbara Boxer?
One of the few things I miss about CA is voting for, and being represented by, Barbara Boxer.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:33 AM
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32. DAMN STRAIGHT! Go BOXER!!!!
:kick:
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democratdoug Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:38 AM
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33. Impeach NOW!!!!
We can't get these crooks out fast enough!! Please!!! SOMEBODY!!! DO SOMETHING!!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:49 AM
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37. Hi democratdoug... welcome to DU!
:hi:
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democratdoug Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:11 AM
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46. Thanks redqueen :toast:
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:40 AM
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34. Damn right Barbara! K & R
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 09:41 AM by BushDespiser12
There is very little left resembling democratic representation.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:49 AM
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35. No, Barbara, it's not even close..
.. to not being a dictatorship.

America is run by corporofascist interests, and a non-elected so-called president who can do or say whatever he wants because the big money and business interests have stacked courts, representatives supposedly elected by people who don't know any better, and a whorish media.

Sue
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:49 AM
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38. True, it's much closer to fascism. nt
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:52 AM
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41. Barbara Boxer - makes me proud to be a Californian N/T
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:05 AM
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45. More like a Corporate Oligarchy...
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 11:11 AM by saddlesore
Edited to add: Ruled by Corpora-fascist.

Peace
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sueh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:43 AM
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40. Barbara gets it. Walk and chew gum at the same time.
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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:53 AM
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42. And how's that working out?
And I know Nancy's point was, we have to reverse about seven years of this horrific administration's policies, and she's fearful of losing steam on that, in that regard.


They're still funding King George's wars.

Pelosi herself handed back to King George the ability to preemptively declare war on any country he arbitrarily wishes.

The King is still using signing statements.

What about Condie Rice, who was subpoenaed --and ignored said subpoena-- months ago?

As for Harriet Miers, she doesn't show up and they still need FIVE MORE DAYS to decide what is to be done?! They know already what they should do.

Hearings? Isn't Gonzo still at his post? Isn't Lurita Doan still at her post?
They've caught people lying to Congress -- what has happened to these liars?


What have they reversed? What have they actually done, to date? What has been accomplished?


Why is there no emoticon for Despair?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:04 AM
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44. Help Barbara by joining her community.
Here's a link I'll give (instead of you giving me your email to forward on my account):

http://ga6.org/boxer2010/join.tcl?qp_source=website

She'll fight.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:18 AM
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48. "This Is As Close As We've Ever Come To A Dictatorship"
She has it almost right. The problem is we are already there. We are not approaching one party/one branch rule by decree, we already passed that point.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:18 AM
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49. "The Constitution doesn't permit us to take these things off the table"
...:patriot: Barbara Boxer :patriot:
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 12:38 PM
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51. Ed Schultz just said that Blitzer will play Boxer's words on Sit Room today.
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 12:38 PM by seafan
Let's GOOOOO.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 12:55 PM
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52. I agree with every word in context.
EVERY word.

BOXER: Well, I don't presume to tell people what to do. I have made my statements. And of course if asked I will say. I've been out there, I'm out here again today. I think, John Conyers is -- this is where impeachment starts. When Alberto Gonzales, when it came out that he fired these U.S. attorneys, that it was politics being played with it, I thought then that we should look into impeachment hearings. So I don't think it should be taken off the table.

On the other hand, we've got a war to end. We've got things that we've got to keep on doing. So if we do this right, we should give it to the appropriate committees, let them do the hard work that it entails, but we have to do something about health insurance. We have to do something about global warming. We have to end this war. We have to do something about education. And all these other things. About the budget deficit. You have to walk and chew gum at the same. And I know Nancy's point was, we have to reverse about seven years of this horrific administration's policies, and she's fearful of losing steam on that, in that regard.
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