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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 06:04 PM
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Hindu prayer in Senate disrupted
WASHINGTON - A Hindu clergyman made history Thursday by offering the Senate's morning prayer, but only after police officers removed three shouting protesters from the visitors' gallery.

Rajan Zed, director of interfaith relations at a Hindu temple in Reno, Nev., gave the brief prayer that opens each day's Senate session. As he stood at the chamber's podium in a bright orange and burgundy robe, two women and a man began shouting "this is an abomination" and other complaints from the gallery.

Police officers quickly arrested them and charged them disrupting Congress, a misdemeanor. The male protester told an AP reporter, "we are Christians and patriots" before police handcuffed them and led them away.


link:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19729245/

Gotta love those Freedom of Religion advocates from the fundie reich wing. As long as you're from the evangelical, fundamentalist, orthodox, protestant wing of the Christian religion you may speak all you want, wherever you want.
But, if you're not...The protection doesn't apply.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 06:07 PM
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1. Apparently, some religions are more equal than others. n/t
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 06:07 PM
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2. what's that saying about Christ's followers?
what a bunch of complete idiots. :eyes:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:43 PM
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29. That Christ needs to protect us from them.
:)
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 06:10 PM
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3. Read my sigline, follow the link and you will understand
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 06:13 PM
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4. Thay are not patriots.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:24 PM
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27. No, they certainly are not.
Freedom of religion, no tests for office.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 06:14 PM
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5. I hope this group is not representative of all Christians.
But until Christian leaders denounce this, it stands as representative.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 06:21 PM
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8. Of course it doesn't represent all Chirstians.
But you already knew that.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 06:52 PM
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16. Yes, but leaders need to denounce it officially.
And set the record straight.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 07:00 PM
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19. I hope this group is not representative of all Americans.
But until American leaders denounce this, it stands as representative.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 09:11 PM
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23. Sadly, it is representative of Americans in power
but this particular group didn't identify themselves as Americans. They identified themselves as "christians".
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 06:43 PM
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13. This Christian is denouncing it
Jackasses like that aren't patriots, and they shame Christianity.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 06:53 PM
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17. Good for you :) I hope more Christians speak out.
Edited on Thu Jul-12-07 06:53 PM by jtrockville
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:55 PM
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34. They aren't Christians.
Edited on Thu Jul-12-07 11:57 PM by Kool Kitty
These people are obviously idiots, of the particularly loud and obnoxious stripe. (I'm not a Christian and I know that.) Loud and stupid idiots. And they aren't patriots, either.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:06 PM
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43. Agreed.
n/t


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foxsux Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:49 PM
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32. It's not representive of all Christians.
I am not counting on the Religious Nutcase Right denouncing it though.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 06:16 PM
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6. But but but Michael Moore made fun of Sanjay Gupta's name!
:cry:


:sarcasm:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 06:16 PM
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7. Wow religious hypocrites..imagine that
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 06:21 PM
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9. As a Christian, and a liberal (yes, the two are not mutually exclusive)..
I denounce the theology and the actions of those who did this in the Senate chamber. Those actions were very UNChristian. Jesus would NOT have done such a thing.

Christianity is NOT the only way to understand and worship God. And, for those who are atheists or polytheists, I respect your beliefs or non-belief such as the case may be for you.

These people should be ashamed of themselves, as should all fundamentalists of all faiths, IMHO.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 06:34 PM
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10. Agree with you 100%
The ramblings of a bunch of nuts claiming to be Christians does not make them indicative of the majority of Christians, anymore than the idiotic ramblings of a small group of people from any religion/organization makes them the voice of that group either.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 06:35 PM
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11. Good for them, having a Hindu prayer.
If you have freedom of religion, it means all faiths. So if there is a traditional prayer in their Senate, it needs to be either utterly non-specific, or they need to allow mixed religions to be represented. Anything else would be the combination of a church with the state, and be unconstitutional.
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:58 PM
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35. If I was the Senate
I would try to pray for the forgiveness of as many potential gods as possible. If one of them turns out to be real, they're gonna need it.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 06:40 PM
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12. Truth is, these baboons masquerading as Christians would shout down
Episcopal priest Bishop Gene Robinson.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 06:48 PM
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14. You can't blame them after what those damn hindus did to us on 9-11...
oh...wait...:yoiks:





















(that was sarcasm oh dense ones fingering their keyboards to flame me...)
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 06:57 PM
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18. If you only knew all the facts, you'd be Singhing a different tune! (NT)
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 06:49 PM
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15. I heard the audio of this earlier today, and wanted to box their ears,
at the very least, along with stuffing dirty socks in their mouths. People like these "Christians" are about as un-Christian as you can get.

I'm glad they were arrested.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 07:10 PM
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22. Hell, I wanted to grab me a baseball bat or three and head off to the DC jail
for some swift justice........
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 07:05 PM
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20. Hinduism isn't a religion
It's a personal relationship with Shiva

Just thought I'd give em a taste of their own medicine
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 07:09 PM
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21. With respect to religion:
We are NONE of us free, unless ALL of us are free.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 09:18 PM
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24. Imagine the reaction if it was a Secular Humanist or an atheist speaking
I can only imagine the security they would have to impose.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:06 PM
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26. Imagine if it was Hindu's protesting
Headline: Radical Hindus Disrupt Senate!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 09:18 PM
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25. "Christians disrupt US Senate"...
... What is: "Headlines You'll Never See", Alex?
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:40 PM
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28. "patriot" -- the most misused English word of the new millennium
Edited on Thu Jul-12-07 11:40 PM by Bozita
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:44 PM
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30. Yeah, I'd say "nationalists" is more appropriate.
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:45 PM
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31. Now we know the REAL reason the religious right opposes church-state separation
They want the government to endorse their religion and renounce all others!
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:50 PM
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33. The Senate has people to pray for it?
Huh... Whatever floats their boat, I guess.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 12:24 AM
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36. Huh?
:crazy:

TRH4
Message #17

"My thoughts on this is that the United States has way too much freedom of religion. Our founding fathers were of Christian background. If you really look at all of the religions the main two that don't brainwash their followers to beheading people and causing terror attacks on their own people and wedding of 13,14 year old girls is Christian based and Jewish religions. We have everybody and their brother coming into this country and not wanting to become an american and want to not learn anything about us americans and then want to push their backward views on us and push our government to accept them that shouldn't be allowed. Only room for american flags in this country and those are american flags that have anything to do with US history, only room for one language in this country and that is english, and room for only one religion, that is Christianity. But our government has lost its back bone and doesn't want to hurt anyone's feelings but if it is their own american peoples feelings they dont care. They pretty much tell us suck it up and get over it."
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:12 AM
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39. LOL at that!
I bet dollars to yen that the mental cripple that wrote this is also a self-proclaimed "libertarian"
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 07:04 AM
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37. Bunch of Nazis
This is an outrage and I hope those thugs get the book thrown at them.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:06 AM
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38. Maybe we could just get rid of the prayers completely.
Problem solved.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:46 AM
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40. A fair question
and really should be asked here.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:56 AM
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41. so freedom of religion only applies to christians???? i think not.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:05 PM
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42. What drugs is Reid on? Doesn't he know of a separation between church and state?
Even better, why doesn't he step down and give his job to Rajan? Wouldn't do any worse than every other type of job being offshored... and nothing would change either.

Reid really wants to lose his seat when his term ends, doesn't he...

And, yes, they did the right thing by removing the protesters, but the more fundamental issue (sorry) is this erasure of separation. As if it wasn't bad enough before...
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