Can we please stop talking about Bob Allen?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

Yeah, OK, so he offered a police officer 30 bucks for permission to give him a blow job. And yeah, that's illegal. But what if he got charged, and there weren't enough votes in the jury to convict him? Then he'd go free. And that'd make the democrats look bad. So let's just forget the whole thing ever happened.

[Demeter]

1. I Was Going to Ask---Who's Bob Allen?

But you covered that nicely. I don't want to talk about him anyway. How about that sunshine? And there's cool breezes blowing today. We could use some rain though, if you Texans would let the moisture move up Michigan way, please.

[beyurslf]

2. It is probably a misdemeanor and won't have a jury trial. I like making sure we know

their hypocrisy is out and open for all to see.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

3. You've convinced me. After all, it could happen to any of us.

(who offered a cop $30 for a blow job) MKJ

[mrreowwr_kittty]

4. Okay, I'll stop talking about Republican legislator Bob Allen soliciting a male cop

Honest, I will! (crossing fingers behind back)

[QC]

5. He only offered $20.

I suspect that the cop was insulted.

[Vincardog]

6. I thought it was $20. Are we wstill talking about Bob Allen? Did you want to stop?

[trashcanistanista]

17. Actually, I thought it was $25 and

he wanted the cop to pay him. Thanks for setting me straight on this.

[Vincardog]

30. I heard that Mr. Allen offered a cop $20 to blow the cop. I am so confused

are we supposed to talk about this or not?

[joeunderdog]

70. Was it a Cop outfit or a French Maid number?

This gets more diabolical by the post. Can we please stop spreading rumors until we have the facts?



Get some detectives on this immediately, but keep Allen away from them.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Sir Jeffrey]

7. We should just continue investigating him...

but we need to take imprisonment off the table. He isn't worth it, and besides, a trial would just get us into a tit-for-tat that the American people are tired of.

[MonkeyFunk]

9. has anybody here ever

said that Bush et. al. shouldn't be investigated?

Come on... you impeachbots are getting pretty silly.

[Sir Jeffrey]

14. Um...

I was just parroting the anti-impeachment arguments. Just like the op. It was satire.

[MonkeyFunk]

26. and my point

was that you are NOT parroting anti-impeachment arguments.

I've never heard anyone who was opposed to impeachment say there shouldn't be investigations.

[Sir Jeffrey]

53. Stop reading what you think I wrote and read what I wrote...

The argument against impeachment is that we should just continue holding "robust" investigations. Impeachment will lead to more partisan bickering, and we Americans are just sick of it. We're "yearning" for a new kind of politics, right? We're just wanting to rise above the petty politics and work in a bipartisan manner, right? Isn't that what our party leaders and most of the rank-and-file say?

Now re-read what I wrote. I specifically say that we should hold investigations but we shouldn't imprison. This isn't too hard of a distinction to make. I just used quotes from Pelosi and Obama to make the same point the OP made.

[MonkeyFunk]

61. I think you're mischaracterizing the argument

we're saying continue invetigations and FIND something so serious, so provable, so blatant, that impeachment would then succeed.

You don't impeach and then go looking for a reason.

[Sir Jeffrey]

65. No...

your avatar explicitly said that impeachment is off the table and that Bush is not worth impeaching. Obama said, essentially, that Bush has not committed any grave and intentional breaches of presidential authority worthy of impeachment. Those were the two targets of my original post.

If Pelosi or Obama said what you did, link it for me and you will make my evening.

And if you don't think the secret network of torture prisons and NSA spying is sourced enough to proceed to the Judiciary Committee for an impeachment inquiry, then what further evidence are you waiting for? A size 10 bloody shoeprint?

[MonkeyFunk]

66. well

no matter what you think, nobody is saying don't investigate. In fact, you might've noticed some serious investigations occurring right now.

[Sir Jeffrey]

67. One more time...from my original post...

"We should just continue investigating him..."

This statement means that our leadership, including your avatar, says "continue investigating".

Then I say this:

"...but we need to take imprisonment off the table."

If you replace the word "imprisonment" with "impeachment", you have a paraphrase from Pelosi. In other words, investigate but do not impeach. Impeachment is "off the table".

Then I say this:

"He isn't worth it..."

Which is a direct quote from Pelosi.

Then I said:

"...and besides, a trial would just get us into a tit-for-tat that the American people are tired of."

This was a dig at Obama's mass email today regarding his opposition to pursuing impeachment, stating a desire to rise above the petty politics as usual in Washington, DC.

Obviously, I am upset at the "investigate but don't impeach" strategy. I think it is dangerous and could backfire. I chose to express my anger in satirical form.

[uppityperson]

29. exactly.

sometimes the :sarcasm: icon can be of help, even when it seems absolutely redundant.

[Sir Jeffrey]

54. I thought the OP made it clear that this was to be satirical nt

[uppityperson]

57. me too, but sometimes it is difficult to tell, or

sometimes people just want to argue.

[Sir Jeffrey]

60. "sometimes people just want to argue."

Who comes to DU to argue?

:sarcasm:



(How was that?)

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

62. .

:rofl:

MKJ

[uppityperson]

64. you got it!

:toast:

[MonkeyFunk]

8. If the prosecutor knew ahead of time

that he couldn't be convicted, then he probably wouldn't prosecute.

But in this case, there's no reason to believe he'd get off (no pun intended).

You're trying to make this equivalent to impeachment, where we can reasonably presume that 17 republicans won't vote to remove.

But nice try.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. Do a majority of Americans support a Bob Allen conviction?

Please show me a poll that says most Americans support a conviction of Bob Allen.

If you can't, then it's pretty obvious that most Americans don't want Bob Allen convicted, and enjoy performing blow jobs in public toilets.

[MonkeyFunk]

13. again

you impeachbots are silly.

Impeachment is a political process.

This is a criminal case. Public opinion has nothing to do with it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. LOL!

"This is a criminal case. Public opinion has nothing to do with it."

:rofl:

ZOMG!

[MonkeyFunk]

24. Do you wish to argue

with anything I said?

Impeachment is political. Allen's case is criminal. Which do you disagree with? Why not try to discuss this like an adult?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. Impeachment is criminal.

Bush committed high crimes and misdeamenors. Just like offering a cop a blowjob, only worse.

[MonkeyFunk]

32. well that's where you're wrong

impeachment is an entirely political process - that's why it occurs in the legislature, and it's why the only punishment is removal from office.

It's not criminal.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. I got to ask.

Do you really believe this nonsense? Really?

Or did you just decide to play devils advocate, found you painted yourself into a corner, and are to mad and embarassed to admit you messed up?

[uppityperson]

39. I'm done playing with it.

Seems to like to do as you say, am tired of it. Off to think up other possible excuses for Allen.

[MonkeyFunk]

40. Why can't you discuss this like an adult?

Why be so childish and nasty?

Yes, of course impeachment is a political process. It was never otherwise. If it were criminal, it would be in the courts.

[MonkeyFunk]

47. Here's some others who agree...

*John Dean: Impeachment is a political process 12/15/06

*American Bar Association: While it has elements of the criminal process, it is also a "political" process in that it is designed to deal with misconduct by high public officers. In the words of professor Jeff Atkinson of DePaul Law School, impeachment is designed "to protect our country and our Constitution from leadership that has become a danger to the country. Phrases used by the framers of the Constitution include 'corruption,' 'abuse of power,' 'subversion of the Constitution,' and 'neglect of duty.'"

In keeping with this purpose, the process and remedy are also "political." Our elected representatives in Congress sit in judgment, and, if convicted, the offender is removed from office and not permitted to hold office again.

*THE FEDERAL IMPEACHMENT PROCESS: A CONSTITUTIONAL AND HISTORICAL ANALYSIS by Michael J. Gerhardt. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1996. 233 pp. Cloth $29.95.
: Impeachment is a political process designed to investigate, expose, and remedy political crimes committed by a special class of politicians subject to unique political punishments

[greatauntoftriplets]

49. Had Clinton been convicted....

he would not have gone to prison...unless indicted by a court. He only would have been removed from office.

:banghead:

As MonkeyFunk says, impeachment is a political process, not a criminal one.

Allen is being tried in a court in Titusville, FL -- NOT by the US Senate.

[uppityperson]

31. Impeachment isn't criminal?

[MonkeyFunk]

35. No it isn't

if it were, it would be tried in the courts.

[hfojvt]

23. no, we enjoy

getting BJs in public toilets and getting paid for it too.

But I am pretty sure that Clinton started it.

[Maddy McCall]

38. Doesn't matter what most Americans want.

What matters is what the jury, selected from citizens of Titusville, Florida, wants.

[uppityperson]

43. Hi Maddy, I think he knows, is just making another point.

it's all very odd.

[ronnykmarshall]

51. Poll the people of Florida ....

[uppityperson]

10. Here was some good reasoning...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1317640&mesg_id=1317877
IanDB1
6. You know, this COULD have been Bob Allen's first time.
Or what if, like, his wife was all like, "I'm not gonna suck your dick. It's awful."

And he was like, "Oh, no it's not. You love it."

And she was all, "I hate it. Why don't you try sucking a dick, and you'll understand why I don't suck yours."

And then he was like all, "Well, fine. Maybe I will go suck a dick."

I mean, what if he was just all like, "I'm curious about what it's like to suck a dick. I'll pay you $20 if I can suck yours," and he just TOTALLY got busted the first time.

I mean...

Who hasn't been THERE?

[AlCzervik]

12. rofl!! omg lol, really who hasn't walked that mile?

[hfojvt]

16. Maybe I have and maybe I haven't

but what happens on the mile, STAYS on the mile

[AlCzervik]

19. Stop, you 2 are killin me!

[uppityperson]

25. Perhaps it was all just a misunderstanding.

He dropped a $20 on the floor, bent over to pick it up muttering "fuck it" and the cop just misunderstood. Happens all the time. That is why women have separate stalls in their rest rooms, to avoid this sort of misunderstanding.

[Vincardog]

41. And the cop talked her into saying it. IT is that damned Left Wing Conspiracy again

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[bemildred]

18. You first. nt

[Alexander]

20. You're kidding, right?

[Left Is Write]

42. I'm guessing he's using sarcasm to make an analogy...

between Allen and the Bush impeachment topic.

[Alexander]

46. Sometimes it's hard to tell around here.

[book_worm]

21. He belongs to the party of "family values" and anti-gay marriage

referendums. These hypocrites deserve to be lambasted.

[sellitman]

22. bush should pardon him now and get it over with.

:sarcasm:

[EFerrari]

28. LOL. He should have asked for more.

:rofl:

[TahitiNut]

33. Indeed. It's all about lip service, right?

:rofl:

I wonder if he asked the cop to get off the table.

:rofl: :rofl:

[Canuckistanian]

34. Yes. I agree. Let's take it "off the table".

After all, "he's not worth it".

[The Straight Story]

37. It WAS $30 but he had a coupon so it dropped the total

:rofl:

[rug]

44. Can we still talk about blow jobs in the toilet?

[Bravo Zulu]

45. is it taxable

or are BJ's exempt

[pitohui]

48. only if we switch the talk to diaper boy instead

i don't what is cooler -- the GOP fuckwit so ugly he has to pay the cop $20 to GIVE not get a bj or the GOP fuckwit so ugly he has to pay $300 an hour to wear a diaper

as they say at macky dee's, i'm loving it!

[ronnykmarshall]

50. It was $20 bucks ....

and why shouldn't we talk about it?

Asshole is one of those "family values" Repug and he wanted to blow a male cop.

:wtf:

[QC]

55. Well, the thread is a clumsy attempt at argument by analogy.

The OP is trying to draw some sort of equivalency between impeachment and the Great Florida Blowjob Caper.

But there is no way that I will stop making rude comments when a sanctimonious "family values" Republican gets busted in a tearoom!

[ronnykmarshall]

63. Oh

[SoCalDem]

52. Um...no

:rofl:

[davidwparker]

56. It was $20. He was having a sale that day.

[greenbriar]

58. uhhhhhh NO

that is all

[KG]

59. some days, DU is pure comedy gold.

:hi:

[in_cog_ni_to]

68. 2 things....1. who's Bob Allen and 2. what happened and when???!!! I missed it.

Any links to DU threads? Thanks!:hi:

[helderheid]

69. I'll stop... if ya give me $20. ;P