Why I'm getting scared

[LiberalEsto]

-- When Chertoff says he has a "gut feeling" about a major terrorist attack, it tells me they're planning to stage another big one.

Why? As a distraction, to boost flagging poll numbers, and serve as a pretext for attacking Iran.

-- When B*sh ADMITS his administration leaked the name of a CIA agent -- even though this is treason -- and the House and Senate Democrats do nothing -- it tells me the Democrats are either too frightened to act, or they're unable to grasp the implications of allowing this act to slide.

-- When B*sh commutes Libby's sentence, I interpret it to mean he thinks he can do whatever he damn wants, and Congress be damned. And I start worrying that before long, all the illusions of a constitutional democracy will vanish and we will live under a full dictatorship.

I'm having trouble sleeping at night. I'm starting to have anxiety attacks when I'm awake. I keep turning to DU for any signs of hope. The only glimpse of hope that I see is the slowly growing number of House members signing on to Kucinich's resolution to impeach Cheney.

I wish the House and Senate leadership would do something to stand up to these bastards, and I cannot for the life of me figure out what's stopping them.

Is anyone else out there starting to feel panicky? Or is it just me being paranoid?

[seemslikeadream]

1. look north

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1319534&mesg_id=1319534

[Swamp Rat]

36. Remember what happened to the Armenians last century?

I fear for the Kurds.

[seemslikeadream]

40. I am so damn worried Swampy

so damn worried

[TwilightGardener]

2. I'm a little uneasy that something's a-brewing, myself, frankly. Terrorism-wise.

[babylonsister]

3. Olbermann has a special comment tonight with Chertoff as the bulls-eye.

Hopefully, he might make you feel better.

[Catherine Vincent]

4. I've been uncomfortable with all this myself. n/t

[JTG of the PRB]

5. We shouldn't be afraid yet.

We should be ANGRY that these clowns have the nerve to parade around and say they things they're saying right now. You say you have a "gut feeling" there's going to me a "major terrorist attack" this summer? Well, I have a gut feeling that you're a hypocritical, terror-exploiting asshole!

If anything happens, if anything is ALLOWED to happen, there is going to be hell to pay for it. The voices of the American people will cry out in rage and demand the traitors be removed from power immediately.

At least, I HOPE they will. God, I hope they will...

[bdamomma]

18. me too, we howl at the Dems doing nothing or being gutless.

but what are we? just my opinion. I maybe just preaching to the choir here.

[JTG of the PRB]

20. I won't just be angry at the Dems.

I'll be angry at every last member of the government. I'll be pissed at all the hundreds of people who didn't or refused to raise their voices in objection or alarm. Anybody who allows ANYTHING to happen on American soil will be the target of my voice.

Not that they'll listen, but given enough time, it will be impossible to drown out hundreds of millions of angry voices.

[bdamomma]

28. we are to protect this country our country from foreign and domestic

invaders, we have domestic invaders.

[SammyWinstonJack]

6. I am not panicking...yet, but I won't say you are being paranoid, either.

I am a firm believer in, they MIHOP. This is for you. :hug: Listen to KO's special comment. You'll feel better!

[LiberalEsto]

9. Thank you!

:hi:

[scarletwoman]

7. I stopped hoping long ago. Things are only going to get worse.

But there's no reason to live in fear. Put your own life in order, scale down, make connections with like-minded people and practice gratitude and compassion.

Accept that there are forces at work in the world that you do not have the power to change and that they will just have to play out. Treasure and protect what you love and be true to your values. Find joy in the present.

sw

[LiberalEsto]

11. Great advice

Thanks.

[scarletwoman]

22. Well, thank YOU for reading my reply! (nt)

[NotGivingUp]

13. That's basically the same conclusion I've arrived at, too. nt

[Zensea]

14. The hexagram of Breakthrough

Just noticed your sig line.
One of my favorite aphorisms.

[scarletwoman]

19. Ah! After all these years that I've used this sig line, you are the very first to recognize its

source.

Thanks,
sw

[Zensea]

23. Quelle surprise

& salud then

:)

I am a bit surprised at that.

[scarletwoman]

25. Ce n'est rien. (nt)

[Forkboy]

51. I was with you right up until your very last line.

I'm still working on that part.

Great post anyways! :)

[scarletwoman]

70. Thanks. About my last line -- it's not easy, for sure.

I actually feel despairing and depressed (and often ANGRY) a lot of the time.

But I live out in the country, and every day when I walk outside and hear the birds singing and look at all the lovely trees and wildflowers that surround my little house, the beauty of it all fills my heart and I remember what joy and peace feel like.

sw

[Forkboy]

75. I walk outside and I see my crack addict landlord.

It's just not the same ambiance. :D

[Mnemosyne]

62. I've been telling people to just "put a few supplies

in the back of their closets"; and they are actually listening for once!

Eyes and ears open is about all we have at this point, unfortunately.

Did you see this, sw? Goosebumps.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_mac_mcki_070708_red_alert_3a_has_santo.htm

You give good advice! :hug:

[Zensea]

8. Has anything happened the many other times they've said the same thing?

Regular as clockwork, every few months, they ramp up the rhetoric and the fear.
How many times has anything actually happened?
Why should this time be any different?

If they succeed in making people panicky and fearful then they get exactly what they want.

[eek]

17. only diff is "balance of power"

and strategic proximity to throwing - oops, i meant influencing..no, i mean...having an effect upon... the 2008 election.

this is so marketing 'Toldya So" , feels like.

[bdamomma]

30. whenever * ratings are going down, and when the Congress

starts to do their work.

[robinlynne]

67. well I think it is becuase of the "sept deadline for the surge to work", and

because the public does not want this war or this president. An attack on the US would be the only way to get support for our bases in Iraq and the war. Otherwise, they are going to have to end this war.

[w8liftinglady]

10. me,too...these people scare the FUCK out of me...they will sacrifice a city to prove a point

[Swamp Rat]

37. yep

:(

[NotGivingUp]

12. "illusions of a constitutional democracy will vanish and we will live under a full dictatorship"

yes...it's amazing when you look at all we've lost already. it just takes a while for the whole reality to hit. most people in the u.s. today do not know real history and do not know real current events. the corporate elite who are running things have murdered millions and will continue to do so unless we stop them.

yes, i feel much like you do. anxiety and sleeplessness are bound to set in when you begin to discover that everything you know is wrong. we've all been enslaved under the guise of progress. the capitalist system is an enslavement system with everybody scrounging not to be at the bottom.

[Lindsey]

24. I was just about to post what your feelings were when I found your post..

I also am panicing. It's freaking me out so I'm takin' a xanax, puttin' on my Beatles,and am going to find a feel good place playing on DU and other various locals. Yikes......

[truedelphi]

44. The corporate elite truly sucks

>>the capitalist system is an enslavement system with everybody scrounging not to be at the bottom.

Would it were not so.

[bdamomma]

15. easy to say, but this is what they want us to do FEAR, it is their

way of controlling us.

[AlinPA]

16. Rove and BushCo would stop at nothing to get their fear factor back. They are ruthless

ugly people who want to hold on to power. I don't trust them. They need an "attack" to get their fear mongering working again.

[Windy]

21. with the signing of Directive 51 in May by Bush

and now all of this talk of al qaeda regrouping and chertoff's gut, I'm a little worried also.
Not for me, but for my children and grandchildren..or should I say, more worried for my children and grandchildren.

[bdamomma]

29. just an assumption or speculation, does anyone think if we the people

did do something to end this, that they would enact this directive? do you think people have this in the back of their minds, and are stopping from doing something.

[earth mom]

26. My gut feeling for a very long time is that * & Co won't allow the '08 elections to be held.

* is the decider aka dictator-tot after all. :scared:

[WilliamPitt]

27. It's working.

[bdamomma]

31. it's working, like they are feeding us propaganda ? they want

to get this in our psyche, to put us in a panic mode, we cannot fall into this mindset. just my opinion.

[halobeam]

35. you know William,

it's late and I'm tired, so that may be why I decided to respond to you right now. Normally, I just read and move on but tonight I won't. I'll tell you why.

It is working. People are scared. They have been scared because our system so far is failing us. In every direction we turn, we hit a wall. We as people, all have finite amounts of hope, and once you've been on a roller coaster ride of hope and disappointment enough times, it gets very difficult to muster the hope back up again. Things now are coming to light, the tip of the iceberg of the deceit we are, as citizens, victims of. When we get to a point where we subpoena someone and they blatantly flip us the bird, it gets very scary. These are the people who are supposed to protect us and tell us at least the minimum truths, or the most important ones, even the ones that hurt or ask us to sacrifice, even if it's a small bit, for the sake of our country. They aren't doing that, instead they, well.. we all know what they do and don't do, no need for examples.

By just saying "It's working" and adding nothing else, it seems a bit like you are ridiculing the OP.. like, look they got to YOU, fool.. and if I'm wrong, I apologize right now. I don't think the OP reaction was solely based on the latest "booga, booga" and then went running, screaming from the room. I think it's because of our governments actions and non-actions, and of course the attack we did endure on Sept. 11th. Very hard to shake that off. Part of being a victim is learning to how to heal and that takes time. There is reason for so many to still be afraid or to become scared more easily, and this administration, the bully of the block, knows this very well. It works for them, yes it does, hence it IS working.

I believe the more we read and learn, the more frightening it is, at this time in history. It takes someone, like the OP, who knows when our country is being torn apart every which way and feels they are doing everything they can and so many people are too, and still, we are barely making a dent. Call it impatient, yes, it does and will take a very long time to fix this mess we are in. Call it a feeling of hopelessness, helplessness, or just a number of other things and I bet most people share the same feelings. What I hope is that you are not calling it foolish. The only fools are the ones who don't know what is really going on and think everything is just fine.

Lastly, I sometimes see you post a simple response that can be taken as condescending, even if unintentional, and very rarely, (and I've been surprised to see it) but rarely I see you say something very cutting to a poster who is just expressing themselves and their feelings. You may write so much, the day flies by, and many people read your work, of which I am one of them, but most find it hard to write. When they put themselves out on the line with their feelings, is it not more beneficial for you as a community member here, with the enormous insight and capability you have, to give more of a generous feedback? I guess I just think you robbed this person of the comfort they deserve and apparently needed, and you for one are certainly one of the people here who could've offered more than you just did.


Guess I'm just disappointed.

[LibertyorDeath]

42. Very insightful post halobeam

Truly....

[LiberalEsto]

48. Great points, and thanks

I'm not really offended by what Will wrote. He does have a point, that I am letting their fear-mongering get to me. It's true, and perhaps I shouldn't allow it to happen.

I'm not paralyzed with fear about another staged terrorist attack. If they're gonna do it, there's nothing we can do to stop them.

What I'm most afraid of is that our precious democracy, our system of checks and balances, is no longer working.

B*sh and Ch*ney act like emperors, doing whatever they please regardless of our system of laws, and it seems as though Congress cannot, or will not, or dares not stop them.

The Supreme Court is controlled by their appointees, and I do not trust them to uphold our Constitution when it conflicts with the will of this Misadministration.

My parents were refugees who gratefully came to the U.S. to live in freedom. As a result, I have particular reason to cherish that freedom. And I see it slipping away.

[Forkboy]

52. That is really a great post.

Thanks for taking the time to write it for all of us.

[Individualist]

58. Thank you for saying what needed to be said

"The only fools are the ones who don't know what is really going on and think everything is just fine."

It has been said numerous times that the cabal will do anything to retain power. Right now they're like a wild animal, at its most dangerous when wounded and cornered. The little dictator's approval rating is down to 26%, the majority of the country opposes the Iraq occupation, and the impeachment movement is growing.

Bush, without so much as issuing a press statement, on May 9 signed a directive that granted near dictatorial powers to the office of the president in the event of a national emergency declared by the president. The cabal has recently stepped up their hyping of terror, a few days ago, Chertoff announced his "gut feeling", and now Tommy Franks is discussing martial law - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1324865

I don't consider it outside the realm of credibility that they're telling the public that an attack is coming and that they should believe terrorists are responsible when it takes place. If this happens (and I emphasize "if"), will the public be gullible enough to once again believe what the teevee will tell them, that we MUST have martial law in order to be safe? Too many people still believe that if the teevee says it, it must be so. I hope I'm wrong. Time will tell.

[spoony]

59. Well at least they aren't flipping out over a lite brite.

[rudy23]

32. I have the same feelings

We better be ready

[jberryhill]

33. You are scared because Chertoff said something intended to scare you /nt

[bonito]

34. You need to research (((FEAR)))

And put it behind you.:)

[halobeam]

38. I'm sorry you are feeling this way.

From reading this thread, I hope you find comfort that you are not alone. These times are scary, with or with out the "alerts" that may or may not mean anything is going to happen. Hard to know what to believe anymore, hard to know how to wrap your head around it all. Hang in there and keep reading, being well educated is far better than living life with your head in the sand as some people do. The price of course, is dealing with the reality that you learn of. Reaching out is always a great way to deal with it. You did good.

[BrotherBuzz]

39. I'm not panicky or paranoid, but I've become very itchy lately, and I do mean ITCHY!

[lala_rawraw]

41. don't be afraid... if for one reason and one reason only...

because fear is debilitating as you are now finding out. transform the feeling of fear into a feeling of anger. anger is empowering, like going to the gym for the will and working the soul's muscles out.

it is easy to get stuck in a fear trap. i have many reasons to be frightened throughout my life and i have been quite literally paralyzed by fear. i have lived under the Soviet regime and had to endure the bizarre and unexplained deaths of my beloved grandfather, his brother (both of whom survived the holocaust), my grandmother, and others in a six month period (we assume, but will never know, my grandfather and his brother were not loyal Communists and my grandmother was the only witness to the two deaths, she died of a broken leg). i had to watch my poor mum lose her mind because she could not stop it, get justice, or even enter the country simply to visit the graves. but for my own direct fears, here one example that happened to me and how i learned that fear must not be part of our mental make-up. and all of this by six... if i listed the experiences i have had, things I have witnessed all over Europe during our gypsy days waiting for a country to take us in or the anti-rusky sentiment of most of this country, or... well i could go on and on. but here is the example, the most important lesson of my life.

when we were about to leave the UCCR, the regime took everything. My parents anticipating this and knowing we would need cash once expelled (getting a visa to leave did not mean a country would take you in). My mother cleverly stuffed one of suitcases with trinkets of little worth in hopes that it would distract government goons from searching for the real treasure (hardly). You see, at six, I was holding two rings under my tongue and a few necklaces in my underpants, as well as some cash in my shoes. As we watched the vultures go through our suitcase, removing the things they wanted to keep for themselves (as my mother thought they would), I stood in a state of paralyzed fear. I was worried I would swallow the rings or choke on them. I was worried that they would to try search me. I was worried if they found our belongings hidden on me, they would arrest us and put us away, me to a home for orphans and my parents to some gulag. At six, I knew to worry about these things. My parents had prepared me: no talking, no smiling, answer only by nodding your head. Pretend you are shy (and boy, I was anything but). So I followed those orders, stood their, sweating, frightened, even shaking. One of the goons approached me, knelt down and asked me why my name was. In response I wet myself. But we made it through and from that day forward, I decided that I must, always, try to control my fears and later my demons (mostly nightmares of things I saw).

you must control your fears or they will control you, subvert your goals, and even make you sick. sleep my friend. one very effective method I use is dreaming and meeting my demons, memories, fears in my dreams, but as me - the me now, a 35 year old woman who will not be frightened away, bullied away, shoved away, even disappeared away. i meet this goon in my dreams as an adult and i force the humiliation on him and the fear on him in my dreams... in other words, I give them back to him and purge myself. i am left with me and minus the fear and humiliation of that event, i am simply angry and motivated... the rest i have handed over to the demon (or in this case, goon).

hope that helps. i don't like getting into public discussions often about these experiences because they are private and affect more than just myself. i thought you might find some insight from that six year old girl and what she taught me so many years ago:)

sleep. dream. wake up. continue to fight. :)

[nolabels]

45. Fear like any other emotion tells us about ourselves more than anything

The harrowing experience at six years old was in fact, by real definition, child abuse. It's hard for the child their selves, at the time, to gauge the relative amount of danger. Yet by your story i would say you had a pretty close idea. None the less, your lesson, to never let fear control and run your life is a difficult lesson to learn. It is hard for them ordinary frogs in that gradual boiling pot of wrap their brain around. Yet, just by instinct, a frog just dropped in boiling water jumps right out. It would seem hard to me to describe to others how one would deal such things with unless the others you are relating to have been to such intense places and circumstances themselves.

We all have a lot of instinct in us but those conditioned responses that bind us to our culture have a lot of disadvantages stuck in the nice ones as well. One of biggest things that seems to be missing in this modern culture is a more exact science on how to use and control ones various emotional responses for positive and life affirming change. I suppose there could be several reasons for that phenomena. There are a lot of route disciplines like martial arts and Yoga that work to some degree in harnessing ones emotions but that western scientific method of parsing it down and or mapping out to deal with it seems a long way off.

Figure out a way to move that fear to a place where it gives into that other emotion of wonder then that upper cortex in the brain can take over. That lizard brain in the older part of our cranial structure has some of the better hardwire to be sure. So be forewarned, it isn't always as easy as just turning on a switch.



Btw. In no way was i pondering your relatives to be child abusers but more of that clinical definition in todays now and here world of what happened to you in that instance.

[lala_rawraw]

53. sorry i am lost..

which is not unusual for me... who are you saying are child abusers? the regime goons i hope. i am confused.:(

[nolabels]

66. Yes, that in perspective is to the point isn't it

It was to the thinking there was the possibility that there could have been a choice of not taking the child through the checkpoint but the logical reasoning dictated that was not the answer. The idea of leaving the country was more logical than staying there and having things get worse. Today in the U.S. if you endanger a child willingly they would give it the term of child abuse. That succinctly as possible is all i was trying to point out.

Anybody that has done any parenting knows that you just about have to be able to predict the future in the effort of raising children. The more you think you know about what children might do the more they surprise you. I had one of those wetting things happen to me but not in such dramatic fashion. In kindergarten, our women teacher decided that all the boys would have to come talk to her and get her to unlock the boys restroom when they had to go. Well little boys are often a proud lot so we figured how we could each go after one another so she was not the one opening the door. That worked for day then she decided to wait for each one to go. Some how i decided that was not for me so after while i couldn't hold it any longer and the wetting occurred. I got the chair and floor soaked and all the rest of the kids were laughing like they should. Though this was forty three years ago i can still remember it well.

The school called my parents so they could send to me home to change but nobody answered. They me wait in the office but eventually i sneaked out and walked home on my own. There was a little bit of trouble after that but boys room was never locked anymore :shrug:

[lala_rawraw]

68. with all due respect...

and i mean that honestly, your concept of reality with regard to child endangerment in a situation where choices of life and death were in play is really a bit ethnocentric. my parents and i were running for our lives... my parents were searched as they knew they would be. child endangerment is a very confused and uneducated way of looking at something you could not possibly understand.

my parents risked their lives to get me away from there, where i was already being hurt by the government authorities - when i went to school, when i played outside, etc. they had already begun suspecting my grandfather and great uncle were not loyal Communists and that put the entire family in danger. we had to leave and we were living every day in fear until we did. so please - with all due respect - spare me the Western version of psychotherapy. when your life and your family's life are at the mercy of the government and that government is one of tyranny, then regular rules of parenting - outside the basics of nurture, love, care for, etc. - do not apply. and neither do assertions of child endangerment, which implies that my parents were negligent in some way. i am always amazed how Americans tend to have very specific points of view of how things should be, even though they are talking from flatland about a three dimensional world.

so thanks for the comment and again, with all due respect - and I mean that - but let's just end our conversation at this point. good luck to you.

[nolabels]

71. Please excuse my presumtive nature or anything else you found offensive

I was just trying to understand a little better. Thanks for sharing your story also :hi:

[LiberalEsto]

47. You have made some excellent points, lala

You really have experienced the terror of totalitarianism, a horrible thing for anyone, but especially a small child who needs to feel safe and trust others to protect him.

My parents were refugees from Estonia, and I have relatives there who lived in constant fear during the Soviet occupation. When my aunt visited us in 1979, she was afraid to whisper a single complaint to us about her life, in our own living room, for fear that someone might be listening and report her. She was always looking over her shoulder in fear of being reported. My parents, even though safe in America, were always terrified of the police and fearful of breaking the slightest rule or law.

My aunt's and parents' fears were far more serious and justified than mine, considering the tens of thousands of Estonians who were rounded up and shipped to labor camps in Siberia for "offenses" as small as being a Boy Scout leader like my mother's landlord and his wife. When the soldiers came to round them up, my (half-Russian, half-Estonian) mother managed to slip out the back door, run to get her mother, and flee the country on foot through war zones, with half a dozen silver spoons in her underwear. Earlier, my father had fled the country because the Nazis had a warrant for him.

My greatest fear today is that our Constitutional checks and balances seem to be no longer working, and that we will wind up in a totalitarian state like the one from which my relatives so recently emerged.

My fear is that whatever our Congress does to try reining in the out-of-control Misadministration will fail. That the Supreme Court will turn its back on the Constitution and support its masters, the vice president and president. That our precious democracy will vanish and be replaced by totalitarianism.

Like you, I have seen close up some of the effects of a totalitarian state, though your experiences were much more intense and personal. And I dread the possibility that I might have to live through one.
And that you and others might have to experience this again.

[lala_rawraw]

55. even it should come to that

and i don't believe that will happen... i actually believe we are going to end up in a civil war and states will demand to break off from the country and become separate republics. not that this will be fun either, but in all of this, there is hope...but even if it should come to what you say, the rest of the world is on our side... because people are fighting for something that although we call the Constitution, is really a set of ideals that are as old as civilization. i will worry when the entire country moves toward the "good german" mentality and do nothing. we can fail and fail and fail, but as long as there is a fight, tyranny does not win.

your aunt had to endure a great deal and i am so sorry to hear that. and now you have Putin's Nashi Youth attacking Estonia and committing acts of terrorism. but the people there are holding their own, despite having been so close to the monstrosity of the Soviets only a short while back.

walk away from your fear. just slam it out of your psyche. some fear is good, it provides a rush in serious situations. but the fear you are experiencing is not productive and will not serve you or your cause well. i think the "good germans" lost more than their nation because of fear. they lost their humanity and they have forever lost all future accomplishments, all sense of pride in their country for ages to come. they will always be known as the "good germans" even if they were not among those who went along (or remained silent) with the tyranny.

when i start to get very frightened (usually when my kidneys go into flare actually), i use reason to think my way out of the box closing in around me. think about what it is your afraid of, walk it in your mind to its logical conclusion and even if that conclusion is frightening, remember that everything can change in a single moment.

[LiberalEsto]

56. Thank you

What you write makes a great deal of sense.

Your words and those of other thoughtful DUers on this thread make me feel much less alone. Sometimes it helps just to be able to vent fear with others, and feel that one has been heard.

I'm trying to deal with my fears today by using it to spur me to action.

I bought some inexpensive paper plates and wrote the following message on them:

"Impeach!
Cheney, then Bush

Dear (member of Congress):
It's time to put impeachment on the table."

For members of the House, I added
"Please support H.R. 333", which is Rep. Dennis Kucinich's bill to bring impeachment proceedings against Cheney.

Now to find some envelopes they will fit in (folded in half) and start addressing and mailing them.

[lala_rawraw]

61. hey, paper (plates or otherwise)

- just use recycled - has been the staple of freedom fighters from the beginning of this nation... go for it!

[Mnemosyne]

63. Thanks for this post, la_la. More good advice for all in this thread.

:hug:

[lala_rawraw]

69. :D

muah!

[Mnemosyne]

77. Namaste, dear one. n/t

[GreenTea]

43. One can hit the lottery six times in a row than be ever be hit by some terrorist.

Why would they want to hit you? 9/11 was a setup and they sure aren't coming after you there are tens of thousands of towns around the country...why would they out of the hundreds of millions of people and millions upon millions of sites....Bush wants you to be afraid all of us, all the time, to keep us in line...it's all bullshit....

[DemReadingDU]

46. There was that part in SICKO

In Michale Moore's movie SICKO, there was that part where I think in France, the government is afraid of the people, but in America the people are afraid of the government.

It's no wonder that our government walks all over our people, there just aren't enough of us to stand up and speak out. Americans need to become empowered, spend less time watching silly shows on TV, and get out and do something so that our government starts being afraid of us.

[bdamomma]

50. unfortunately we will learn the hard way, we cannot let fear

paralyze us, you can see how desperate this filthy administration is, they are feeding us their propaganda, it is all a head game to them, we are not fools, let's dig deep into ourselves and do what we believe is right. Let's not play into their hands.

[Name removed]

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[LiberalEsto]

54. No wonder they never show the tapes

of the planes hitting the buildings any more, if this is correct.

[KAT119]

57. Totally Anxious, Worried, Hyper Vigilant--Feel So Powerless!!

K & R...Thank you for stating so clearly what soooo many (millions, really) feel w/ these evil bastards looking for endless dictatorial power no matter the cost in lives, suffering, $$$ etc.etc.

They must be arrested, tried for their countless treasonous acts and imprisoned for life to protect this country and the world, NOW!!

[slj0101]

60. Then Chertoff has done his job.

Really, it makes me uneasy as well, but then again I'm anxiety-prone to begin with. This latest report is nothing new- they roll it out every time the neocons are in the public's doghouse.

Fear is a powerful motivator- don't let them motivate you.

[Mnemosyne]

64. May the Universe grant me the Serenity

to accept the things I cannot knowingly change.

The courage to change the things I must,

The clarity to see the truth

and true Wisdom to know the differences.


My take off on the Serenity Prayer. :shrug::hug:

[BluePatriot]

65. I worry at times....

I've gotten past the point where I let it bother me very deeply, though. Too many false alarms...My energy is better spent on a small scale. I just try to live my little life, stay healthy, prepare how I can, educate others, and make as many varied national and international contacts as possible. I am really proud that I have helped my dad and husband come around regarding our country's direction in the past 3-4 years. Everyone can't be reached, though. My mom is hopelessly authoritarian in general, and my FIL is, well, one of the 26 percent (gun nut) So -- I do have to wonder if another act of terrorism would not only frighten but further polarize our nation.

[StarryNite]

72. This very same thing

has crossed my mind so many times. One time was tonight while I was watching Bill Moyers. I just have a horrible feeling that if impeachment proceedings ever get underway, and I think they MUST, * and the rest of them will do something to take the focus off the impeachment. But I think it's a strong likelihood that they will for any number of reasons. They must be impeached. No matter what happens.

[leftofthedial]

73. what's stopping them?

money

[Zookeeper]

74. Not panicky, but very suspicious of BushCo.

I don't trust any of them farther than I could throw Cheney's fat ass.

Your second sentence says it all. :(

[windbreeze]

76. Getting scared? ummmm...let me say this...

not getting scared...but becoming very leery of the future...meanwhile I keep encouraging everyone to get prepared....I try to keep detached from fear while still remaining watchful...reading everything pertinent,I can get my hands on.....

an article I read a few weeks back...mentioned a meeting that was allegedly held in Europe, in 1986...a couple very powerful/important family names were mentioned as having been present...Rothchild/Bush...(there were others)seems as though tptb were having trouble controlling Ronald Reagan...so they decided that they would pick our presidents for us...first would be * Sr., then would be a relatively unknown politician...Bill Clinton...then * jr...then Hillary...(vs Guiliani)...sure, it's easy to write about what we know has happened so far...and I didn't want to believe what I was reading, but at this point, it looks possible that these will be the two nominees...

I am sure everyone has asked themselves at some point, what the hell goes on with this admin.....ever since this man took office...he has done exactly what he wants...acted as though he has/had NO FEAR of reprisal from anyone, at any time...how could that be?....???He acts as though he is running his own private business, instead of our country, it's obvious he doesn't care what we think, or how we feel about his actions...he has acted with pure unadulterated arrogance.....Then think of how he got into office in the first place...the SC gave it to him, for crying out loud...never happened before...and did it ever before come down to the state of Florida, to then throw it into the lap of the SC?....no...never...how about 2004...was Ohio ever the pivotal state, ever before??????

IMO 9/11 WAS an inside job, and the man has repeatedly thumbed his nose at our Constitution, and told Congress to go to hell...has been involved in TREASONOUS acts, (Plame)...a thousand + signing statements, more or less says the law doesn't apply to him.....has never stopped attempting to take control of our National Guard(every state's only protection against enemies, foreign/domestic)..manipulated this country into war, and is responsible for all the deaths that have been caused, on both sides...??? What could possibly give him the assurance that he would never be held accountable for any of this? Is it possible that there are powers running this country that are NOT beholden to the people, or our Constitution? Is he untouchable, as long as he does their bidding? What else makes sense? Anyone? The more I think about this, the more sense it makes to me, sad to say..

I would be very happy to be on the wrong track, and I encourage you all to discard this post as pure nonsense...that is, after you think about the past 7 1/2 years and question everything that's happened for even longer than that....I don't believe in coincidence...but I sure as hell DO believe in conspiracies...and I now believe our country has been the victim of a very, very large conspiracy...the next few years are going to be very important...what are we going to be willing to do, to stop the snowball that's rolling downhill...when???and what is it going to take???
wb