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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:53 AM
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Sen. Gravel Confirms Support for new 9/11 investigations.
Should Gravel utterly upset the applecart and become President, Dennis Kucinich would have impeccable support for his still undefined investigations into certain aspects of 9/11.

On June 3, Gravel was asked about his position regarding a new 9/11 investigation;

"I've had several people approach me on that (9/11), and I said, I have no problem, because every time we had an investigation of the Kennedy assassination, we learned more, and we've had several of those investigations, and we kept learning more, and learning more. So I don't think that there's any harm, in having additional investigations as to what really happened on 9/11."


On July 7, Gravel's Press Secretary posted this message on the campaign forum;

Thanks to everybody committed to the 9/11 truth movement who have forwarded us films and literature concerning 9/11. We have taken considerable amount of time to look into this issue, there is a lot of evidence to sift through. After careful consideration and much study, Senator Gravel agrees that an independent inquiry is indeed needed to get to the bottom of what happened on September 11, 2001.


Just released today, a new video interview with the candid Gravel certifies his support for new investigations. (This was taped July 5th, the video quality improves greatly once you get past the first minute of panel discussion.)

There is no shame in asking for or supporting a new 9/11 investigation. Gravel and Kucinich should be applauded for their willingness to tackle even a tiny portion of the mountain of issues that swirl around 9/11.

The Republican Party is a one trick pony fueled by one event, 9/11. Deciphering this pivotal event in American, (and World), history is critical to dismantling the nascent fascism springing up around us.

There are dozens of documentaries on 9/11, some corporate productions shoring up the Party line, but most are amateur productions critical of the official story but varying greatly in veracity and quality. For members of DU, you can take pride in the one professionally produced documentary that is powered by the questions, (and determination to hear them answered), of the Jersey Girls. The film is called "9/11: Press for Truth", you can view the documentary for free on video.google.

The film features 9/11 researcher and DU member, Paul Thompson. In this video segment, Thompson discusses the film;
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2147695828990077136&hl=en

The makers of the film are conducting some activism, getting packages including the DVD of the film sent to every member of Congress, and organizing screenings of the film in house parties across the country during the first week of August. (Go the film's website, and click on the "Take Action" button: http://www.911pressfortruth.com )

Good luck Gravel and Kucinich, may you prevail.

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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:58 AM
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1. Gravel upsetting the applecart would be the best thing possible for America
the mans a genius!
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 06:12 AM
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2. The nub of the matter.
Deciphering this pivotal event in American, (and World), history is critical to dismantling the nascent fascism springing up around us.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 12:05 PM
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4. Critical to dismantling the nascent fascism springing up around us
Critical to dismantling the nascent fascism springing up around us



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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:09 AM
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3. The view of most people, imho...
"So I don't think that there's any harm, in having additional investigations as to what really happened on 9/11."

Right, lets just get the whole story. Most Americans feel this way. Take a look.

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 01:40 PM
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5. yeah man!
k&r!!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 02:36 PM
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6. As a Senator, Gov. Gravel helped make the Pentagon Papers public.
Mike Gravel talked about it on DemocracyNow.org:

How the Pentagon Papers Came to be Published by the Beacon Press:

A Remarkable Story Told by Whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg,
Dem Presidential Candidate Mike Gravel
and Unitarian Leader Robert West


http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/02/1331255

We need more of the same for September 11 -- people who demand the TRUTH.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 03:08 PM
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7. It's a bit scary, but Gravel seems the real deal in terms of what he believes
a true Democrat with a large D
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 03:24 PM
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8. Kudos to Gravel.
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KAT119 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 03:44 PM
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9. Sen. Gravel, Please Call For Gonzales, Bush, Cheney Impeachment NOW!!
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 03:47 PM by KAT119
You will win the Nomination/ The Presidency/The Love Of BILLIONS of Humans Worldwide!!!
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:02 PM
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10. K&R, unfortunately the mainstream Dem candidates want to move on...
"nothing to see here, move along"
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:25 PM
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11. Come on now Mr. Gravel
the non-conspiracy theorist mainstream knows the whole 9/11 thing was planned and organized by evil-doer Osama bin Forgotten using his trusty satellite phone and laptop while he was hooked up to his kidney dialysis machine and operating out of his bunker-buster proof bat cave located in the Afghan mountains that looked something like this:

http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/nether_fictoid3.htm

Plotting in his secret lair Osama kept his dastardly plans so well hidden that not a whisper of his nefarious plot escaped to alert the butt naked boy emperor and his trusted advisor Condisleeza that they really ought to get off their fat, lazy asses and do something to protect the lives of US citizens against what would be the worst attack on the USA since Pearl Harbor. What on earth does that leave to investigate?

Oh hang on a minute, someone could at least alert the FBI that even though Osama's bin long forgotten by Bush and his buddies, he should still be on the wanted list for the murder of 3000 people on 9/11. http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm


FBI says, “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11”

- June 6, 2006 This past weekend, a thought provoking e-mail circulated through Internet news groups, and was sent to the Muckraker Report by Mr. Paul V. Sheridan (Winner of the 2005 Civil Justice Foundation Award), bringing attention to the FBI’s Most Wanted Terrorist web page for Usama Bin Laden.<1> (See bottom of this web page for Most Wanted page) In the e-mail, the question is asked, “Why doesn’t Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster make any direct connection with the events of September 11, 2001?” The FBI says on its Bin Laden web page that Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998 bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. According to the FBI, these attacks killed over 200 people. The FBI concludes its reason for “wanting” Bin Laden by saying, “In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorists attacks throughout the world.”

On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”

Surprised by the ease in which this FBI spokesman made such an astonishing statement, I asked, “How this was possible?” Tomb continued, “Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11.” I asked, “How does that work?” Tomb continued, “The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice than decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11.”

It shouldn’t take long before the full meaning of these FBI statements start to prick your brain and raise your blood pressure. If you think the way I think, in quick order you will be wrestling with a barrage of very powerful questions that must be answered. First and foremost, if the U.S. government does not have enough hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11, how is it possible that it had enough evidence to invade Afghanistan to “smoke him out of his cave?” The federal government claims to have invaded Afghanistan to “root out” Bin Laden and the Taliban. Through the talking heads in the mainstream media, the Bush Administration told the American people that Usama Bin Laden was Public Enemy Number One and responsible for the deaths of nearly 3000 people on September 11, 2001. Yet nearly five years later, the FBI says that it has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.

http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html


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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 07:57 PM
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13. I've never seen that detailed of a diagram before...
looks like some sort of Saudi intelligence operation, the type of thing funded by George H.W. Bush's Shadow Government.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:47 PM
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14. You understand that "hard evidence" means evidence admissible in a court of law?
You are aware, also, that just because the FBI doesn't possess "hard evidence, that doesn't mean that they still possess evidence of his involvement? That word "hard" is a specific qualifier used by the FBI all the time.

Osama has admitted his part in the 9/11 attacks. He approved of the hijackers, because al-Qaeda was the one putting up the money. This was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's operation, but al-Qaeda made it happen.

In film terms, 9/11 was an al-Qaeda production of a Khalid Sheikh Mohammed terrorist plot. Osama's "denials" are only that he wasn't the "director." He was involved in it up to his eyeballs.

Lawrence Wright's "The Looming Tower" comes out in trade paperback next month. Get it and find out just how much actual evidence there is for this.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:53 PM
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16. That would be al-Quaeda
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 10:55 PM by JohnyCanuck
the US intelligence asset you'd be referring to?

In film terms, 9/11 was an al-Qaeda production of a Khalid Sheikh Mohammed terrorist plot. Osama's "denials" are only that he wasn't the "director." He was involved in it up to his eyeballs.


Al-Qaeda, the Eternal Covert Operation: British "Terror" Incident latest Product of "War on Terror" Propaganda

by Larry Chin

SNIP

Al-Qaeda: eternal intelligence asset

The central issue of our time cannot be overemphasized: extensive historical (but ignored and covered-up) documentation establishes the fact that Al-Qaeda and Islamic "terrorism" are the creation as well as key instruments of Anglo-American military-intelligence, and Western geostrategy, managed and guided by the CIA, Pakistan’s ISI, Britain’s MI-6 and MI-5, etc.

No "terror" event, current or past, can be understood without a full inquiry against this context.

Books such as Michel Chossudovsky’s America's "War on Terrorism" and Michael C. Ruppert’s Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the end of the Age of Oil exhaustively detail this milieu.

As written by Michel Chossudovsky in America's "War on Terrorism", while "Islamic terrorists" are featured by the Bush administration and its allies as eternal threats, and blamed for every terror event including and since 9/11, "these same Islamic organizations constitute a key instrument of U.S. military-intelligence operations" all over the world.

"According to the CIA," writes Chossudovsky, "an ‘intelligence asset’ -- as distinct from a bona fide ‘intelligence agent’ -- need not be committed to the pursuit of U.S. interests. Rather, it is meant to act and/or behave in a way that serves U.S. foreign policy pursuits . . . Intelligence assets are invariably unaware of the precise functions and roles they are performing on behalf of the CIA on the geopolitical chessboard. In turn, for these covert operations to be ‘successful,’ the CIA will use various proxy and front organizations such as Pakistan’s extensive military intelligence apparatus (the ISI)."

A recently declassified French intelligence report details the extent to which "Al-Qaeda" and Osama bin Laden ran operations for the CIA. "Al-Qaeda" has also served multinational oil interests. Washington’s support and management of the "Militant Islamic Network", including "Al-Qaeda," has been continuous since the Carter administration, through the Bosnia/Kosovo/Macedonia NATO wars of the Clinton administration, and in full flower beginning with and since 9/11. "Al-Qaeda" as well as Al-Qaeda "foreign fighter hordes" propaganda is a key component of the Pentagon’s Iraq occupation and pacification program.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6223




London 7/7 Terror Suspect Linked to British Intelligence?

by Michel Chossudovsky

A British citizen named Haroon Rashid Aswat, living in Lusaka, Zambia is wanted for questioning in relation to the 7/7 London bomb attacks.

Haroon Rashid Aswat comes from the same town in West Yorkshire, Dewsbury, where three of the alleged bombers lived. "He is suspected of visiting the bombers in the weeks before the attacks." (New Republic, 8 August 2005).

"Scotland Yard declined to shed any light on claims Mr Aswat was the possible mastermind of the July 7 attacks."

Haroon Rachid Aswat is said to have played a central role in the London attacks:

"Cell phone records show around 20 calls between him and the 7/7 gang, leading right up to those attacks, which were exactly three weeks ago." (Fox News, 28 July 2005)

Links to British Intelligence?

The same source (Fox News) which presents Aswat as the "mastermind", also points to Aswat's relationship to British and US intelligence, through a British based Islamic organization Al-Muhajiroun.

In an interview with Fox News (29 July 2005), intelligence expert John Loftus revealed that Haroon Rashid Aswat had connections to the British Secret Service MI-6 (emphasis added): "the entire British police are out chasing him, and one wing of the British government, MI-6 or the British Secret Service, has been hiding him... "

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20050801&articleId=782
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:59 PM
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18. You have absolutely no proof or evidence that al-Qaeda is a US intelligence asset.
And neither does any of those people you are quoting. Ruppert, Chossudovsky, Loftus, all of them - nothing but speculation.

Go get The Looming Tower by Lawrence Wright. It's out in trade paperback next month. Put some substance into your head instead of all that Cool Whip you're getting from Ruppert et al.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:48 PM
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12. I just checked the applecart. It appears to be in no danger. n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:49 PM
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15. Senator Gravel is too
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 08:49 PM by zidzi
REAL! And I love it!
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:55 PM
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17. He's for legalizing marijuana too...
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 10:56 PM by Alexander
Even Dennis Kucinich is a little off on this issue, although I like his decriminalization position more than those of the others.
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