Peace Activist Cindy Sheehan Argues with Man Outside Alabama Capitol

[Hissyspit]

Source: Associated Press

Peace activist Sheehan argues with man outside Ala. Capitol
Submitted by davidswanson on Fri, 2007-07-13 10:19.
By Associated Press

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan got into an argument with a man Thursday outside the Alabama State Capitol.

The visit to Montgomery was part of Sheehan's 17-city "Summer of Love '07" protest tour that began Tuesday at President Bush's Crawford, Texas ranch. Footage from Montgomery's WSFA-TV shows a man yelling at Sheehan as she walked away after briefly speaking to reporters. "What happens to Iraq after we leave?" the man asked repeatedly.

Sheehan initially continued to walk away but then turned back to say something. The man, who identified himself on camera as Chris Vucovich, kept repeating his question as she tried to speak. Sheehan then walked back until she was standing right in front of Vucovich and asked, "Are you going to be quiet so I can answer?" He told her to go ahead.

"How many Iraqi people in Iraq have you talked to?" she asked. When Vucovich didn't immediately answer, she continued, "Zero. The people of Iraq want us out." The two then both began speaking at once until Sheehan turned around and walked away. Vucovich yelled after her, "You were used by the Democratic party, ma'am." As Sheehan and her supporters walked away, Vucovich was asked by reporters why he had come out to the Capitol.

- snip -

Sheehan's group planned to walk from the Capitol to the Civil Rights memorial at the Southern Poverty Law Center and then to walk through Montgomery's historic Cloverdale neighborhood, where the group planned a rally from 5-7 p.m, The Montgomery Advertiser reported.


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[Kolesar]

1. "You were used by the Democratic party, ma'am."

Apparently, the collapsing quagmire of Iraq is just a plot to get more Democrats elected. Damn clever, I say! /sarcasm

[Hobarticus]

11. You know, there's some DUers who say this, exactly...

Without a hint of sarcasm or irony.

Pretty kindly of Dubya to start this war, so we could grab more seats in Congress, ain't it?

[xultar]

45. How could she have been used by the party. She hates the Dem party and so

do her supporters.

[EFerrari]

49. Put that broad brush down before you hurt somebody.

:)

[shadowknows69]

71. Yeah please

AS far as I can tell my voter registration card still has Democratic Party on it.

[Madspirit]

56. Please, Xultar, give her a break

SHE does not hate the Democratic Party. She feels let down by the Democratic Party. Many of us also feel that way.

An aside, once upon a time I had a close close friend. She died in a car wreck. Her mother blamed all her friends because she would have gone back home after college if not for us, ergo, according to her mother, she would not be dead. So the mom banned us from the funeral. I was furious until my mom said these few short simple and true words. "NEVER judge or condemn a mother who has lost a child, anything she might say." According to just about everyone on the planet...shrinks, experts of all sorts, there is NOTHING worse. That kind of pain can make a person different. It can also inform our actions and fuel our passions.

Don't judge Cindy just because you still haven't gotten over her ill-thought out remark about the Democrats being the party of slavery. She is a heartbroken, impassioned activist and I really doubt her words have hurt YOU as much as this war has hurt HER.

Lee

[BlooInBloo]

68. You know I love ya, but I can't go along with us being declared the party of slavery either....

... I wouldn't take it from anyone else, and I won't take it from her.

EDIT: Clarified subject.

[EFerrari]

73. All families have creepy stuff in the closet. Can't we get over this

dumb, tactless stuff?

[BlooInBloo]

77. Sorry - we didn't "get over" it when George Allen did it...

... in fact, except for the SINGULAR exception of Sheehan, DUers are vehemently AGAINST being told to "get over" it. That preferentialism adds to the insult, imo.

EDIT: To be clear: Of *course* I'll support any anti-war efforts - whether she be involved in them or no. I just won't support *her*.

[EFerrari]

79. Okay.

:)

[Madspirit]

78. I just don't think that one ill-spoken comment hurt us as much as the war has hurt her...

Hi Bloo! I think her ENTIRE mindset centers around the war that killed her child. So if you aren't in total agreement with her and her methods, you simply don't care about the war that killed her child, in her opinion. I think all her vision is focused through that filter.
Lee

[BlooInBloo]

82. (shrug) Maybe that is why. But the reasons *why* she declared me to be a member....

... of the party of slavery pale beside the simple fact that she *did*. Similarly with George Allen, Michael Richards and any others.

For me to say all of that doesn't conflict in any way with my sympathy for her loss - any more than I prevents my sympathizing with the loss of the most rabid republican voters' children in the war.

[Madspirit]

85. Has Anyone Talked to Her About This?

I didn't like the comment either. I guess I just see her as mentally fairly fragile and ALL people sometimes say stupid stuff and I think her motives are more understandable than Michael Richards, Imus' or George Allen's. Maybe someone will discuss this with her.

Also, as an older person and a Texan I remember when the Democratic Party down here was absolutely THE Party of Racism. Dixiecrats. Texas is now a Republican state. When I was younger, a Republican could not get elected dog catcher in Texas. It was not because we used to be a progressive state...<g> It was because Southern Democrats used to be...PIGS...Dixiecrats. (Dixiecrat is actually it's own entity but it is also used in slang to mean Southern conservative racist Democrats.) This was after I was already an adult. Democrat in Texas meant, even after I was a young adult, you say "nigger" and you mean it. Things change and the parties flopped but that history is not that ancient... There are STILL some Southern Democrats who are quite conservative. You actually have to know about a candidate down here before you vote and cannot just assume the Democrat is the liberal on the ticket. It's kind of odd.
Lee

[BlooInBloo]

87. (a) I don't know if anyone has, and (b) Shows the power "is" versus "was" can have, eh?

I have to go drinking now - I'll talk to you later!

(Yes, I really, really, HAVE to! :rofl: )

[Madspirit]

88. Drink One For Me Bloo...preferably a dark beer or a Margaritta...n/t

[BlooInBloo]

89. All porter, all the time. 'Nite!

[yurbud]

80. Dems wish they could use her: "Cindy, could you support a phased redeployment to the Kurdish region?

so we could still protect the oil concessions?"

[Gman]

2. As Hank Williams' ghost watched the whole thing

[jody]

3. I want us out of Iraq but Vucovich asked a legitimate question that Sheehan can't answer.

There is an interesting LTTE in todays Tuscaloosa News, Tuscaloosa, AL.
Bush not a good military leader

Dear Editor: Commander-in-Chief George W. Bush promises we the people that soon our forces in Iraq will have trained enough Iraqi military troops so they can replace U.S. personnel. His boast rings hollow without an answer to one basic question.

Bush’s military strategy and tactics are clearly not working, as evidenced by rising U.S. and Iraqi casualties, so how can Iraqi military forces succeed if we are teaching them to use the same U.S. strategy and tactics that are failing under our commander-in-chief’s leadership?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. Well, I have an answer

No on knows for sure. However, we do know that the Iraqi parliament has asked us to leave, and we know if we go now the Iraqis and not the multi-national companies will have control over their oil. Right now, the country is in a civil war, and they are likely to remain in one. I don't see how we are helping matters by staying.

[jody]

5. I agree but see my edit changes made to #3 after your post. n/t

[Marrah_G]

30. Exactly

The country will go into a full blown religious civil war as the leaders of each Sect fight to become the next President and able to force their religious laws on the rest.

This will happen no matter when we leave. Best to leave and have other countries come in to try and help them come to some sort of peace.

Whenever we go... now or in 10 years it will still turn into a larger bloodbath then it already is. Religious leaders on both sides want control of the people and the money. They could order their people to put down their weapons, but they will not because they are corrupt and greedy men using their people as fodder for their own gain.

Same story, played out a thousand times since the beginning of time. The only thing that changes is the places and the names.

Sadly our government is to blame for starting all of it, without cause.

[gratuitous]

9. What question was that?

I submit that the question of what happens to Iraq after we leave is not a legitimate question. Iraq isn't ours. Never was, and even though we've electively squandered so many lives and so much treasure there, it's still not ours. That nation belongs to its people, not us, and whatever happens after we leave is not up to us to decide.

However, if we decide that we bear some responsibility for what happens in Iraq after we leave, I'd say we should take the money we're spending now prosecuting our occupation (a couple billion a week), and put it in a trust fund for the benefit of the Iraqi people, to be administered by a multi-national committee of five people appointed by the UN which does not include anyone from the United States. And since George W. Bush and his Republican pals have decided that we could be in Iraq for decades to come, we the people of the United States should fund those weekly contributions, adjusted for inflation, for a minimum of 50 years. Maybe that would be a sufficient reminder to us why invading other countries without cause is a bad idea.

[jody]

17. "What happens to Iraq after we leave?" We created the problem and we have a moral obligation to help

Iraq create a government and economy.

I agree that Iraqi citizens must do the work beginning with creating their own military and law enforcement.

:hi:

[OzarkDem]

83. Don't forget NATO and UN peacekeeping troops

Multinational troops whose job is calm things down while Iraq gets its own government and military under control.

[bvar22]

100. ANY government the USA "helps" Iraq to create will NOT...

...be considered legitimate by the majority of the Muslim World and most of the non-Muslim World.

It would be comparable to NAZI Germany "helping" Occupied France create a government. If you don't remember how THAT worked out, check the history books.

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. She gave the best answer possible

They don't want us there.

[jody]

18. I see we disagree and I can live with that since it's just our opinions. n/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

69. Agreed. ANd getting more and more of us killed isn't keeping them any safer.

[EFerrari]

50. But she did answer it! Or, did I misread that? n/t

[Yukari Yakumo]

86. She dodged the question.

She could've said Iraq would turn into Hell on Earth when we finally do leave, regardless of when that is.

Her "How many Iraqis have you spoken too?" question reeks of false superiority. Hell, how many Iraqis has she spoken to? The point she said afterward is valid, the question she asked is not.

[proud2BlibKansan]

90. Well since she has been to Iraq several times,

I would imagine she has spoken to quite a few Iraqis. More than I have spoken to and more than you have spoken to.

[SpiralHawk]

6. I'd bet a sack of doughnuts he's a CHICKENHAWK republicon

The chickenhawks -- like Limbaugh, O'Reilly, and Hannity -- always cluck the loudest...

[DemoTex]

7. Until I got to his name, I was afraid it might be one of my R/W cousins.

Seriously. It sounds just like something he would do. And since his brother (a Lt. Col.) is now deployed in Iraq (as a R/W fundy chaplain), my cousin in Montgomery is even more rabidly pro-war.

[Lilith Velkor]

8. I just don't give a shit what she has to say anymore

Faking burnout is pretty lame in my book.

[proud2BlibKansan]

15. Well then, why don't you go down there and argue with the war mongers?

Or should we just let them continue to control the dialog on Iraq?

What are you doing to end the war?

[Lilith Velkor]

23. Been there, done that

Got tired of getting feces flung at me from my own side after 3 years, and burned out for real.

Not that it's any of your business, of course.

That tired old "what are YOU doing!?!" taunt is especially lame when hurled at someone the taunter does not know. :eyes:

But it's what I've come to expect from the "antiwar movement." America is just gonna have to learn it's lesson the hard way, as always.

[Name removed]

24. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Lilith Velkor]

28. Case in point. n/t

[LittleClarkie]

33. Welcome to the monkey house

I love it when they think people aren't active just because they post on a messageboard, and perhaps don't get as much press as Mrs. Sheehan.

And I also just love it when I'm told I don't even have a right to open my mouth unless I "know the pain of losing a child in a needless war".

As if that makes Mrs. Sheehan qualified to pronounce us the "party of slavery".

[Lilith Velkor]

38. The "party of slavery" thing was particularly low

..., now that you mention it.

Whatever.

[uppityperson]

42. I love it when people whine about "fake burnout"

when THEIR burnout was real but someone else's was fake. (how the hell do they know?) I don't go with the "don't even have a right to open my mouth unless I know the pain of losing a child in a needless war" since we all have these rights and people who spout that phrase annoy me also. I am also annoyed when people continue to repeat 1 stupid sentence/phrase over and over (ie "party of slavery") and thereby say that nothing she has done has been worth anything.

I am not talking about you with that last, haven't seen you do it except here so I wanted to include it in my peeve list. whine, moan, complain, whew.

There are lots of things that lots of us need to be doing, and lots of ways to do them, don't have to compare, play "i did more than you/ am more librul" and can be grateful to each other for picking up different pieces of the whole.

[LittleClarkie]

53. There are plenty of things she's done that have been worth something

But not everything.

But I have one thought about the "fake burnout" issue. Cindy should have quietly just taken a breather. That's what I do. When you come up with a "good bye cruel world" post as she did at Kos, (that's what they call it over there, GBCW) and then you're back again not too much later, people tend to look at you sideways.

I've seen it on the internet. I've seen it in my church. Dramatic exits make it hard for a person to come bopping back like nothing happened. Not that they don't have a right to, mind you. But people will get annoyed.

[uppityperson]

54. Yup.

[ima_sinnic]

61. if you were "active" you would respect the efforts of another activist

I call bullshit on all Cindy dissers--those who are fighting * don't denigrate the efforts of others who are also.

[LittleClarkie]

63. Good point. Then why did Cindy do it.

When she dissed "the Democrats" she dissed me.

You seem to forget that's why more people have turned from her as of late. We feel like she slapped us in the face.

She can't say things like she did at Kos without expecting some of that shit to fly back at her.

[ima_sinnic]

66. who's "us"?? the Democrats? don't make me laugh!

--impeachment's "off the table," * has his billions for war without the slightest let-up -- the DEMOCRATS are kowtowing and kissing butt and are doing nothing to disturb their cushy little corporate sponsored sinecures. Getting Democrats to sign on to impeaching someone for whom impeachment was invented is like pulling teeth--but it should have been done years ago. Why do you think "Democrats" are so sacred when they are nothing but enablers and appeasers?

[LittleClarkie]

67. "The Democrats" are more than the leadership

I am a Democrat. Hence, when Cindy talks about "The Democrats" she's talking about me, and everyone else I know who's a Democrat, some of whom work their asses off to make things better.

[ima_sinnic]

72. no, she's NOT talking about "you"

she means the people who have the power, or at least access to the keys, and do nothing with it, who are sitting and cowering when we need leadership and we need an ass-kicker.

what makes you think she's talking about The People?

"being" a Democrat simply means that is the party whose candidates you are registered to nominate and would work to get elected. It's not a sacred blood oath like fealty to the king, as a knight. sheesh.

[LittleClarkie]

74. Sorry no. She made it sound like it was better to be a Republican

They freed the slaves you know. If we are the party of slavery then they must be the party of civil rights and freedom.

If we started every war in the 20th Century then why was she ever a Dem in the first place.

If she was talking about the leadership on those issues, she sure didn't make it clear. She said the Democratic Party.

And now she's threatening to protest a man like John Conyers, who does not do nothing, who does not sit and cower, who does indeed kick the occasional ass, and you wonder why some people are pissed?

Also, it's not a matter of swearing fealty, it's a matter of realizing that the party is more than it's leadership. It's all the people therein. And those people don't deserved to be lumped all together as if they were all the same, because they're not.

[ima_sinnic]

64. oh right, diss us for trying and then think you've made a big point

when you're told off.

There is not one "antiwar person" in the world who would "fling feces" at another's efforts, so I call BS. Or were your feelings hurt on a message board? Pretty thin-skinned, it takes more than that to bring down a criminal cabal. Just the fact that you would use the term--"anti-war people"--in that ironic way, like it was something to sneer at, tells me you're coming from somewhere else, somewhere that has nothing to do with ending the war.

[proud2BlibKansan]

95. Oh I get it. Since you are burned out you get to criticize Cindy

[Robbien]

25. Sure you do. That is why you posted

You care about what she says so you can respond by posting your hatred and spit on her.

[ima_sinnic]

26. dissing her for continuing on--as though somehow cheated, disappointed b/c

she wasn't "really" burned out.

they get more obvious by the day.

[Robbien]

27. I get discouraged and burned out almost every other day

but continue on because the country needs people to continue on.

The only thing you are doing is digging a hole and shoving in people who are still out there trying.

At least we know where your priorities are.

[Lilith Velkor]

34. At least I know who I'm replying to.

BTW, did either of you make it to Rummy's house back when her son was still alive?

[Lilith Velkor]

29. Where did I mention hatred?

I was keeping it kicked in LBN, of which it seems this thread is no longer worthy.

Have a nice day.

[ima_sinnic]

62. you are annoyed that she ISN'T burnt out, or no longer is

... so where's the love?

I call BS--if you were really engaged in opposing * and his war, you would be glad for her efforts as well as everybody else's.

I've been at it off and on since 1967--you know, with "those anti-war people" whom you hold in such contempt. Are you sure you're on the right board?

[uppityperson]

43. IF you don't care, why do you keep posting what you care about?

[Lilith Velkor]

58. Why do birds sing so gay?

That one was already used in reply #25, without a missing word that makes the question make no sense. Try to keep up, or better still, come up with one I haven't seen umpteen dozen times already.

[ima_sinnic]

65. gee, do you think somebody's trying to tell you something?

usually when I hear the same thing "umpteen dozen times" it's because I haven't been listening very well.

[uppityperson]

96. So sorry that I haven't read everything everyone has ever replied to you oh master

and abject apologies for missing a word so my question made no sense. I am amazed at your intellect that you could decipher what I meant anyway. I guess YOU can have it both ways, not understanding AND complaining that you were already asked this. Wow.

[BigDDem]

10. Shouldn't she be in San Francisco campaigning?

[ima_sinnic]

12. so she's "damned if she do, damned if she don't"

--you'd think people would appreciate someone willing to put herself on the line, day in and day out, someone who has given up everything in pursuit of an end to the war in Iraq. Especially since 99.9999% of the people who oppose the war don't have the time, the energy, the financial resources, or the GUTS to do the same.

No matter what she does, the inane, cowardly, complacent critics come out of the woodwork with dumb@$$ shit like "shouldn't she be in San Francisco campaigning?"

she has even been criticized--loudly and often--for "trying to get too much attention"!!! Like, HELLO! if she didn't get any attention, she would be criticized for being "ineffectual" or "useless" or "too low key." AS IF trying to end *'s war doesn't require attention!

nobody "recruited" Cindy, no one asked her to make pursuit of * for an answer to "what noble cause?" a full-time thing. She was just anybody, like you or me, until one day she realized she couldn't take it anymore and, with her son dead and her husband leaving, had nothing to lose by devoting herself 100% to the cause of making some kind of sense out of her son's sacrifice. It is HER mission, she never asked to "represent" anybody. She doesn't have all the answers. Sometimes she says things that she later regrets--like nobody here EVER did that, right?? She was not "trained" in how to be an activist, she didn't go to school for it, and she isn't "working for" anybody.

I challenge all Cindy critics to come away from your computer and fucking DO SOMETHING DARING, something that could get you arrested, or starving, or ridiculed, or killed. Stick your necks out, take a risk, be uncomfortable. THEN you can criticize her. Until then, just shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about. Your disrespect of pain and sacrifice and courage sickens me.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. Don't hold your breath

They are too busy being keyboard commandos to actually get up off their asses and do anything to help end this damn war or impeach the bastards who started it.

Here is a video you may enjoy, ima_sinnic. Cindy in New Orleans Wednesday.
&t=OEgsToPDskKBCgKiMq5cwye9cBS05WQG

[ima_sinnic]

22. I really don't think they are who they say they are

-- who in their right mind who sincerely opposes * and knows his war to be nothing but a big money-making machine for him and his buds would find fault with someone who confronts that?

that would be like criticizing MLK Jr. for his work, or Dave Dellinger, or Abby Hoffman, or any of the other brave souls who have not in good conscience been able to just sit back as blatant injustice is allowed to happen., no matter the risk.

Some have a vested interest in keeping the war going, of keeping the puppet in power, and they are becoming all too frequent here on DU as poseurs giving lip service to ending the war and getting rid of *, but their disdain and ridicule of someone who is working for that gives them away.

Thanks for the link! I am looking forward to meeting Cindy in Kennebunkport, Maine, in August.

[NeedleCast]

59. Some of us just don't feel the need

to advertise how active we are. Every little bit helps right? We do our part, whether it's E-mailing our reps, going to a protest or engaging in a debate on a message board. You sling that "what are YOU doing" line around here quite a bit proud2Blib. No one here owes you an answer. You act as if people who are less active than you somehow don't deserve to have an opinion.

Personally, I think it's a hell of a lot more effective to be E-mail politicians (especially those who represent me) and letting them know how I feel than it is to hold up a sign and walk around in a circle.

[LittleClarkie]

76. Amen. Just because we don't all make the nightly news

doesn't mean we don't have some pretty damned active people around here.

It IS possible to be active AND post on a messageboard after all. I'll never understand how some people think they can tell the difference between those who do something and those who do nothing just by their presence here.

[proud2BlibKansan]

16. Thanks for posting this Hissy!

It's like a fly trap - attracts the buggers every time.

[snooper2]

19. I don't understand why people can't get through their heads...

we are not leaving.

It is our new forward operating base as Saudi Arabia was previously.

Everyone needs to watch "Why We Fight". Go rent it at Blockbuster....

[proud2BlibKansan]

20. So we should just lie down, and accept it?

Not me. I have seen Why We Fight. It inspires me to continue my efforts to get our military OUT OF IRAQ!!

[KansDem]

21. We sure as hell didn't care what happened to Iraq before we went in!!!

Where were these people before we invaded? I don't recall anyone who supports this line of reasoning (like Mr. Vucovich) asking in 2003 "What happens to Iraq after we invade?" Nooooo, they were drunk on conquest and world hegemony. That wanted Saddam's head (the man we supported in his war with Iran, and the man the US gave logistical support to in his bid to "gas his own people"). Now all of a sudden people like Mr. Vucovich are all-concerned about what happens to the Iraqi people now when we pull out? I don't know, maybe it's easier for Mr. Vucovich to have concern for people of Iraq now that there's about 1,000,000 less of them...

[SammyWinstonJack]

44. ...

:thumbsup:

[EFerrari]

51. We cared enough to starve them and bomb them for more than a

decade. We cared enough to inflict Saddam Hussein on them in the first place.

That's a lot of caring! :sarcasm:

[proud2BlibKansan]

91. They will come up with whatever reasons they can find to justify

continuing the invasion. It is necessary for the survival of the military industrial complex. They aren't thinking of what is best for the Iraqis! They want to continue to be the tough guy on the block, the bully that everyone else is afraid of. It helps them ease their own irrational fears. Remember these people believe Sadaam was responsible for 9/11 and the terrorists are going to come and bomb us while we are at the mall. (Thank you Tony Snow!)

So of course they didn't consider what the Iraqis wanted BEFORE we invaded and they don't care what the Iraqis want NOW. It's just a cute little talking point they got from Rush.

[Marrah_G]

31. Why is this even news?

So two people had a brief argument about the war.......

[RestoreGore]

35. Yes, I had one about two years ago in a deli and the guy actually spit on me

But I am not a good American because I didn't lose anyone in Iraq and I never chained myself to a fence so I have no place talking about the fact that I too have argued many times with people over the illegality of this war and have done so without making a media circus out of it. Again, this penchant in America to build up heroes as if that makes us all look unworthy in comparison for our quiet efforts and struggles really turns me off to this. And these are the same people who say the corporate media is evil... unless it's them in their spotlight.

[proud2BlibKansan]

92. There are a ton of threads here on DU reporting this same kind of argument

almost daily. So I guess those aren't really news either, eh?

[LittleClarkie]

32. Good question. How many Iraqi people in Iraq has Cindy spoken to?

Turnabout's fair play

[bluedog]

36. Former Marine Sgt. Philip Mitchell

Mitchell looked on from a distance with his arms folded. He served in the Marine Corps from 2000 to 2004.

( he stated)

Sheehan is making a mockery of men and women like him who served, he said.

"If I died over there and my mother did this, I would roll over in my grave," Mitchell said. "But I understand, everybody has the right to protest. This is America. That's what we fight for."



After listening to Sheehan, Mitchell questioned her true intent.

"If her son had not died in Iraq, would she be doing what she's doing? I'm not talking bad because we fought for these freedoms, but would she be doing this?"

Asked whether her efforts made a mockery of American servicemen and women, Sheehan provided an emphatic response.

"How many of us (here) are former members of the service?" she asked. Many hands went into the air.

"It's (Bush and Cheney) that are making a mockery of our service," she said.


http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070713/NEWS/707130330/1001/rss01

[LittleClarkie]

37. Was she in the service? The way she asks the question imlies it.

But how does this answer her own question? I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

[bluedog]

40. read the news story.......

thats the way it went......no she did not answer the question..........

[xultar]

47. "It's (Bush and Cheney) that are making a mockery of our service," she said. I agree!

[proud2BlibKansan]

94. Good grief, go post that over at freeperville

[proud2BlibKansan]

93. More than you have I am sure

Unless you have been to Iraq as many times as she has.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

39. Is It Me Or Was This Completely A Non-Story?

Seems like the only purpose of the article was to stir up shit even though there wasn't any shit. The conversation was so short and simple that it wasn't even worthy of press. Not sure why they considered it something news worthy. I understand that some confrontations are worthy of telling, but this one is so, ya know, :boring:

[WilliamPitt]

41. It wasn't just you.

If this was some kind of press release, it was a disaster. Candidate Challenged by Voter on Key Iraq Withdrawal Issue. The story itself does nothing to show whether she answered the question or not. I love Cindy, but these kinds of reports won't help.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

60. I Can't Stand Falsely Manufactured News Stories Designed Only To Degrade.

Though I've made clear my strong political dissatisfaction with her methods/actions as of late and think she's completely going about things the wrong way, I still do respect and admire her for all she had done prior. I also know she's still a good person with a golden heart and who is braver in the struggle than most of us, even if I now find myself at odds with her. But even disagreeing with her, she (nor anyone else for that matter) doesn't deserve to have shots taken at her through manufactured non-event news stories designed only to create controversy where none existed.

I'm a believer in that if you're going to criticize somebody, even harshly, do so on the core merits. Manufacturing drama out of irrelevent non-events is just simply cheating and dishonorable in my opinion.

I'm kinda torn with this whole Cindy situation. On one hand, I consider her politically damaging and now hurting our cause more than helping it by going about things in illogical and almost extreme ways, but yet when I read stories like this or see others tear her apart unfairly I still feel the need to strongly defend her. It's an odd state of mind to have and I can't think of one other person in politics I've ever been able to truly care for and resent at the exact same time.

[xultar]

46. It was a DUMB SHIT story...not just a non story. That shit happens on MSM bullshit

shows every day. What makes this one news?

[EFerrari]

52. I guess it was an easy shot at Democrats. Bunch of cowards. n/t

[churchofreality]

48. I wonder if this guy enlisted

[walldude]

55. Breaking news! Cindy goes to the bathroom!!

Gimme a break :eyes:

[BlooInBloo]

Before getting sidetracked, I was gonna say exactly the same thing!

[uppityperson]

97. Me too.

[walldude]

99. Well, even Foreman and Ali had good days

so why can't we... :toast:

[leftchick]

57. The REAL question: "what happens to Iraqi(OUR) Oil when we leave?"

Does anyone really think the US would stick around for the Iraqis they kill so easily?

:eyes:

[yurbud]

81. US might, Bush and oil companies, not so much.

[Xenotime]

70. Yea! Cindy pwnd that guy good!

[conscious evolution]

75. Let someone try that tommorrow night

in Atlanta.
I will be in their face big time.
No one comes into my neighborhood talking shit like that.
And if it anin't me it will be one of my neighbors defending her.

L5P.We're all here because we're not all there!

[Bravo Zulu]

84. Here, for your perusal, is a prime example of Grade A Chickenhawk

http://www.crooksandliars.com/category/cindy-sheehan/

[tinfoil tiaras]

98. at least he called the party by it's proper name

the DemocratIC party and not the Democrat Party.

Pisses me off when people do that...