Impeachment has no value if it is a wholly partisan effort.

[Perky]

Conviction will never happen in the Senate without bipartisan support


The Impeachment focuse has to be on Cheney


A two-fer would never happen.

[tridim]

1. Yea, tell that to Newt. nt

[Perky]

4. Its the textbook case of what aI am talking about

it was a partisan excersie designed to rev up the base and was a monumental wast of everyones time.



You get 20 Republicans calling for an impeachment inquirey it is a completely different matter.

[bryant69]

2. That seems likely

But even impeaching Cheney would be difficult.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Phredicles]

3. I agree that Cheney's the place to start;

But if Bush's great crimes aren't addressed before his term expires, his being out of office can't be allowed to stand as an excuse.

[Perky]

6. I am still unclear on what pople think we can get him on

There is no perjury... even though he is a lying sack of of poo. Beind dumb as a brick is not a crime either.


Renditions and torture authorization maybe....but its gray at best. Katrina was criminal incompetance but probably not criminal.

Illegal wiretapping might be possible and so might obstruction on the USA investigation....maybe....but to be succesfull you till have to reach across the aisle.


just ssying

That is why I support a no Confidence vote

[Phredicles]

7. I'd start with the renditions and torture - I see nothing gray there.

However, I cannot accept that starting a war under false pretenses and in violation of recognized international law is something we can just let slide. Apart from Katrina - where I believe his inaction in the face of information he's documented as having does indeed rise to the level of criminality - Iraq is the centerpiece of his unconstitutional and illegal acts.

(PS - Such as the Plame incident. I doubt his hands are clean there, either. )

I want to see a rigorous investigation of who knew what leading up to Sept. 11, too.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

16. I'd start with the energy-related issues and halliburton tenacles then tie both into,...

,...the Brewster Jennings operation along with the revelations brought to bear by the Wilsons. AND, for the clincher, reveal WHIG and Rummy's propaganda machine. I think those tie in rather neatly.

[Poiuyt]

5. Impeachment WOULD have value

Even if Bush does not get removed from office, impeachment would be a black mark against him. It would show the world and future presidents that we DID care enough to at least try to remove a tyrant. Failure to act implies approval of what the Bush Adm has done.

I, for one, want to see the red "I" on Bush's chest for history's sake.

[Bonobo]

8. Perky whoever you are, why 2 posts on anti-impeachment? We heard you.

[PBass]

9. What about illegal wiretapping. They even admitted it.

I don't see how protecting the Constitution could be a "waste of time"? I can't think of anything more important.

Also, you say that we can't do anything until Republicans want the same thing Democrats want... ludicrous. The Democrats might as well stay in bed. What's the use of anything?

Also, Senate conviction is not the goal. Hearings are the goal, protecting the Constitution is the goal, and standing up for the law is the goal. If Congress does nothing, it will be a historical source of deep shame for the Democratic party, IMO.


If Republican partisans block impeachment, then let the historical record show that, as well.

[Duer 157099]

10. Here's an idea -- let the investigation begin

and then worry about where it might lead.

[EFerrari]

13. It's hard to investigate what has been happening in plain sight

for seven years. lol

[EFerrari]

11. Newt, is that you?

[Bluebear]

12. Boy, Perky, you do NOT want george W. Bush impeached, do you?

We get it already!

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

15. I guess I've missed something, here. Care to fill me in?

I am wondering: how would the impeachment of a vice-president INFECT a president?

I am figuring,...it would be so infectious there would be no innoculation.

How do you figure?

I am asking your opinion with complete sincerity.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

14. I believe the assertive investigation of Cheney's crimes would lead to,...

,...the final (well, with these hundred-headed snakes, nothing's 'final', but) track-switch necessary to get this experiment in democracy back on line towards the station.

I have to share this thought I've had for awhile about Bush, jr,...concering his unexplained AWOL. My thought has been that (and, I know, a lot of people will dismiss this as 'conspiracy theory' or whatever), Georgie jr got out of line and he HAD TO BE placed in a secret institution to 're-program' him. No,...I'm not talking Manchurian Candidate. But, I am thinking his father had been involved in intense psy-op gulags involving intensely professional mind-manipulators/benders.

Yeah. So, whatever. I just had to share that thought because, for whatever weird reason in this day and age of information,...NO ONE FUCKING KNOWS where Georgie jr disappeared.

Back on topic,...Cheney is, without a doubt, the independently-driven SOB for verily ideological and greedy and inhumane purposes. George jr is,...a preconditioned and well-prepared facade,...losing face everyday.

[Individualist]

17. How funny!

Someone forgot to tell you that the campaign to dissuade people from supporting impeachment is a miserable failure.

[mmonk]

18. First of all, if they don't think it's coming

they aren't going to fear it. You think just maybe when those republicans that went to Nixon and said it was time to resign, they knew it was coming? Oh course they did. Until republicans think something bad is coming down the pike, they will hold current positions (except those that are already talking about it).

[Swamp Rat]

19. Katrina

a one-fer