Assignment DU: Come up with 20 legal issues that necessitate the need to impeach

[Perky]

Here is how things might culminate in impeachment

The central theme of an impeachment inquiry night take shape around a litany of gross assertions of executive power...

Warrant-less Wiretapping
Failure to properly advise Congress
Obstruction in the form of the gross assertion of Executive Privilege
the yellow cake uranium
Abuse of Signing Statements

Please add to the list, but keep in mind, stupid is not a crime, incompetence in not a crime...going to war is not a crime, anything that Congress sanction is not a crime. It has to be about abuse of executive authority, Believing in the Unitary Executive is not a crime.. Acting like it exist is.

Focus on that which COngress never sanctioned. Where he overstepped legal or constitutional authority that rises to needing to protect the Constitution and delegation/Separation of powers. Activities of others is not an impeachable offense unless there is a strong case that he ordered it. It probably is going to be impossible to prove that he ordered somethings.


Although there are doubtless inferences that will suggest that he must have know or authorized actions...or should have been the one to authorized. it is probable that a case will prove that he was asleep at the switch rather than that he was gave the order.


We come up with 20 on strictly legal grounds and I think a case can be made for impeachment that would be about protecting the Constitution rather than just about slapping him or punish him....

[mmonk]

1. This is a joke, right?

[lonestarnot]

2. heh.

:rofl:

[IChing]

14. heh

[Perky]

3. Not in the least....

I have never said impeachment was not possible or correct I have simply stated why it is it the priority othere think it should be.


Impeachment will never work if is is partisan, or it looks like whining.....it has to be about protecting the Constitution rather than spanking Bush.

[mmonk]

6. I just don't know what to say. I'm so amazed.

Where do you want to start? Constitutional crimes? Violations of federal statutes? War crimes?

[Perky]

8. Constitutional crimes and violations of federal statutes

I don't think was crims though obvious, are provable and convictable.


I also suspect that lying to get us into a war while Heious is not a crime by any legal definition.

[mmonk]

17. Yes, it's a constitutional crime to lie to congress.

Also, the war in Iraq is a crime against peace and violates Nuremburg, International Law, and treaties the United States is a party to which is a violation of the constitution (because treaties we sign and commit to become law). Here's a reality check. This is the most impeachable administration you will ever see or know about. To even bring up that an impeachment would be partisan is the most laughable lie the party bosses or anyone else will ever tell you.

[Perky]

23. The problem is that Congress authorized the war.

It is my belief that partisan impeachment would not be successful and would hurt us in '08. The only way to get GOP support for the ultimate goal is to biring the case on purely constitutional grounds rather than political grounds. All Presidents lie to Congress... and the American people. Impeaching on that gorund means that all future presidents would be impeachable over the smallest thing.

Containment, Special Prosecutor, indictment, censure, jury trial, conviction, incarceration. Is the most prudent means to have him pay for his crimes.

[Ghost in the Machine]

10. Impeachment will never work if is is partisan, or it looks like whining.....

my head is spinning... :eyes:

This has nothing... NOTHING to do with spanking Bush. The asshole has stood on national TV and admitted that he has broken the law (illegal wiretapping), as have members of his administration(outing Valerie Plame), and pretty much said "so what!"

This isn't a witch hunt by any means. The Bush/Cheney criminal junta are a clear and present threat to our Democracy and our Constitution. Anyone who can't see that is either a blind sheep or a complicit enabler... take your pick.

Impeachment is the only way this Country is going to be able to take the first step to move forward. Everyone is busy celebrating yesterdays victory over passing a a bill to begin withdrawal in 120 days, but it's a shallow celebration to a hollow victory because the bill will just be vetoed or ignored by signing statements when it hits Bush's desk.

I would prefer that Congress use their time trying to impeach these criminals than wasting time on useless legislation that will never see the light of day. At least we can expose the crimes of this administration to the People, then let them decide.

Read more here: http://www.impeachmentunderground.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=100&topic_id=1&mesg_id=1&page=

[Perky]

13. If you want a conviction and have 70% of the country in favor of

the impeachment and trial it has to be bi-partisan It has too look more like Watergate than blowjobgate.

[Ghost in the Machine]

18. Did you read the link I gave you?? I didn't think so..

Start the damned proceedings, then make EVERY freaking one one of these elected officials stand up, on National TV, and state whether they stand for and represent the American People and our ideals of Democracy and our Constitution, or if they stand behind and support criminals.{/i]

There's your answer, plain and simple. Get these congressmen and women, ON THE RECORD, stating where they stand. Smoke the snakes out of their holes so we can indentify them and target them for removal from office in the next elections.

Now, was that easier to understand?

[walldude]

21. Not only that, but start it up and the MSM will be forced

to report on everything that mainstream America doesn't know about. Sometimes we forget that most of America has no idea the extent of the crimes of the Bush Administration, too busy or too lazy to find out and the MSM helps keep everything under wraps.
My new mantra on this whole "we don't have the votes, it's a waste of time, we can't win, blah blah blah, is: We're fucking Americans, it's in our blood to face a superior foe against incredible odds to fight for truth, liberty and freedom and come out victorious.

[Ghost in the Machine]

22. I like your mantra!

:thumbsup:

What people don't seem to realize is that the longer we wait, the worse it's going to get until BAM!... it's too late! We've got these rats in a corner, and they are more dangerous now than ever. Chertoff's "gut feeling" is a clear warning of an impending false flag attack. The day that happens, we, as a Country, are dead. Graveyard DEAD. The United States of America, Home of the Free, Land of the Brave will be no more. Bush will declare Martial Law, suspend elections and then suspend Congress, thus completing the neocon takeover. Hello Dictatorship.

It is imperative to act now, without delay. Expose these criminals for what they are. Waiting only puts us in more danger.

[msongs]

4. crimes against humanity, starting an unprovoked war of aggression....the top 2 nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. Here:

What you are asking for should be here:

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=resourcecenter

[Cleita]

7. There is an impeachment list floating around done by

Cynthia McKinney. Maybe a search or google search might turn in up.

[Warpy]

9. There are so many

Abrogation of the Geneva Conventions (the most serious charge)

Withdrawing security clearances for Congress in order to mislead that body into a disastrous war

Harboring criminals within the administration, protecting them by stonewalling legal investigations, refusal to honor subpoenas, and overturning sentences given to inner circle members who have been convicted of crimes (See Madison's remarks on that one).

Entering into fiscal policy that has driven the treasury to the point of bankruptcy in an attempt to enrich cronies.

Blatant conflict of interest (applies to Cheney) in drawing a salary from a corporation while awarding no bid government contracts to that corporation.

Raising an army outside the government (Blackwater)

Attempting to destroy government from within by appointing egregiously incompetent men to positions of power

Following a foreign policy that is more in the interest of a foreign power (Israel) than it is of the USA.

Somehow, I think I could generate this stuff all night.

[Decruiter]

11. Oh for heaven's sake, you are joking, right? Just go to impeach.org

further on down the thread Proud suggests afterdowningstreet.org

You are being cute, right?]

Look up Jackson Thoreau and Born to Cheat.

[lonestarnot]

15. Jellius! I love your screen name!

[defendandprotect]

12. Don't try to impeach anyone's penis -- it won't work -- and looks political -- !!!!

Wow . . . unbelievable.

And, at the time Clinton had huge popularity --

and the nation did not want the impeachment!!!

Further, it was a set up/frame up the Repugs were after for years!!!

I do think a number of Repugs were not reelected because of their support for it --

[lonestarnot]

16. So the Dick impeachment is out then?

:rofl: OMG :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

19. Torture! Free speech zones! Using government money to place ads that appear as news to

promote his agenda. Falsifying reports ie the air condition at ground zero, global warming.

Tired here and know there are more.

[Wiley50]

20. Perky must have watched Moyers tonight

Lot's can change in three days, Huh?