I demand Speaker Pelosi resign her speakership...immediately

[burythehatchet]

She has failed horribly at understanding what the role of congress is.

She is a fine person who is mis-cast is a role that is not suited for her during these times.

[Guaranteed]

1. No. Enough with the bullshit, please. nt

[charlyvi]

2. I agree. n/t

[Name removed]

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[Guaranteed]

78. LOL expose me?

As what? Sane?

This is the type of thread that separates the people that are thinking straight from the crazies. It's almost as if the OP sat down and said to themselves, "Well, I want to post something radical that'll get attention, but the thing is that I don't want to put enough thought into it to make it worthwhile."

I have absolutely no idea what the hell the OP, or the few people that agree with him/her, are thinking. You're all just lashing out blindly.

[Ghost in the Machine]

No sir, it's not lashing out blindly. You think it's *sane* to stand by

and watch our Constitution, the very foundation and cornerstone of our Democracy, get shredded and rendered moot by an out of control administration that is intent on perpetual war and dictatorial powers??

How is that sane? If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention. Some of us just can't sit idly by and watch our Country, as we knew it, die.

I have no idea what you, or the people who agree with you, are thinking. Maybe that's the problem.. you're not thinking about the long run, just the here and now. Is that it?

Complacency is what got us to the point we're at... along with complicity. They go hand in hand.

[Madspirit]

211. deleted because incorrect..n/t

[book_worm]

155. you're right. Two lines demanding her resignation with no reasoning behind it.

[Midlodemocrat]

42. Agreed. (nt)

[rodeodance]

85. "Impeachment isn't a constitutional crisis - it is the *cure* for a constitutional crisis."

John Nichols said that I think

[burythehatchet]

gracias, amigo.

[mzmolly]

113. I thought it was Fein?

Either way worth repeating. :hi:

[burythehatchet]

131. They were both so damn correct. It's just a matter of time, methinks.

:hi:

[mzmolly]

133. Backatcha

:hi:

[terrya]

124. Agreed

[WilliamPitt]

3. I demand a pony.

Right. Fucking. Now.

[unsavedtrash]

10. ..

:spray:

[Name removed]

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[WilliamPitt]

22. About as worthwhile as the OP

Thanks. You're two for two.

[burythehatchet]

26. there's a couple of other threads around that could benefit from your witticism

[Neshanic]

76. Now isn't this where you get all indignant, rant, then apologize?

Just want to keep up with the script.

[WilliamPitt]

92. Hopefully,

this is where I get my pony.

[Neshanic]

99. You must be reading three pages ahead in the script. Props!

[mmonk]

72. .

:rofl:

:spank:

[mzmolly]

84. Are you holding your breath?

http://uk.gizmodo.com/baby,crying,tantrum-thumb.jpg

;)

[John Q. Citizen]

109. ANd if it were in the constitution, you would be within your rights to expect it i think,

At some point (and I think soon) Pelosi is going to have to put impeachment back on the table.

It is in the constitution and it doesn't say that it's up to the Speakers political calculas.

[ben_meyers]

137. You can't always get what you want

You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you might find
You get what you need

[Individualist]

168. Of course you do

pony

a small glass adequate to hold a single swallow of whiskey

[H2O Man]

191. Dig A Pony

lyrics by John Ono Lennon

I dig a pony
Well you can celebrate anything you want
Well you can celebrate anything you want
Ooh.
I do a road hog
Well you can penetrate any place you go
Yes you can penetrate any place you go
I told you, all I want is you.
Ev'rything has got to bejust like you want it to
Because--

I pick a moon dog
Well you can radiate ev'rything you are
Yes you can radiate ev'rything you are--
Ooh.
I roll a stoney
Well you can imitate ev'ryone you know
Yes you can imitate ev'ryone you know
I told you, all I want is you.
Ev'rything has got to bejust like you want it to
Because--

I feel the wind blow
Well you can indicate ev'rything you see
Yes you can indicate ev'rything you see--
Ooh.
I dug a pony
Well you can syndicate any boat you row
Yes you can syndicate any boat you row
I told you, all I want is you.
Ev'rything has got to bejust like you want it to
Because--

[Warren Stupidity]

199. So we are keeping our powder dry then?

Other than simple idiocy, that is about all the sense I can get from your post. Is the iron hot enough? Can we see the whites of their eyes?


I'm just wondering if you will admit that you are wrong about this congress and its leadership if by the end of its term in 2009, as the next congress organizes, the war is still continuing basically as it is now and nobody in the white house has been held accountible for anything that has happened since that bleak Supreme Court selection in December of 2000?

[LittleClarkie]

200. Bwahahahaha!

Pretty much along the lines of what I was thinking. Only funnier.

[Turn CO Blue]

201. Not me. I demand pie. Get with the program and demand pie!

Pie, pie, me oh my,
Nothing tastes better, wet, salty and dry.
Apple and pumpkin and mince and black bottom,
I’ll come to your place every day if you’ve got ‘em.
Pie, me oh my, I love piiiiieeeeeee

[A HERETIC I AM]

238. Here ya go. Sorry i am a day late, but a late pony is still a pony

Now, there's your damned pony so (as my father used to say) "stop your noise!"

[in_cog_ni_to]

4. That will never happen. I'm hoping Hoyer can set her straight. I read last week that he and Pelosi

are at odds over the Impeachment issue. The voices are getting louder every day. Soon, she will have no choice but to listen to THE PEOPLE and Steny Hoyer.

[Bitwit1234]

I have come to think it over and really believe

that she doesn't want to be president. She would have to give up her House spot. If bush and cheney go, she is next in line.

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. Well, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be prez after this bunch of thugs. Look at the mess

they've made across the entire WORLD, not to mention here at home.:( I wouldn't want to be the one to have to clean that up!

[zabet]

28. Definitely a factor, IMO.

She does not want to be left 'holding the bag' of clusterfuck that is the Iraq War.

[mmonk]

101. We're all holding that bag.

And warrantless wiretapping, incarceration and torture and denial of due process, espionage against us, and a host of other matters in direct violation of all the precepts for which the constitution was written. If you can't do the job required of you, you resign. That is all that we who are ultimately the victims of these abuses of power request. You don't push back against tyranny this way.

[zabet]

122. Even though we all are really holding the bag,

she doesn't want her name in magic marker on it. I do agree - Pelosi needs to shit or get
off the pot.

[burythehatchet]

38. the problem is her past comments. I fear she's left herself in a corner.

[in_cog_ni_to]

66. I know. "Impeachment is not on the table." Doesn't help one damn bit, but NOW

things have changed. The WH is refusing to let Miers testify, they are using a blanket Executive Priveledge for EVERYTHING and she now has a very good reason to change her mind. Hoyer may change it for her.:) We shall see. This week will be very interesting. Conyers has given Miers until Tuesday, 5:00 p.m. to answer whether she will comply with their subpoena. THAT would be the time for Nancy to make her move and put Impeachment ON THE TABLE. If Barbara Boxer is talking about Impeachment, you KNOW other people in Congress are. Things are about to blow up. Give it some more time. Pelosi will soon have no choice but to put Impeachment on the table.

I just hope she was watching Bill Moyers' Journal last night! If THAT didn't convince her, something's wrong.:(

[burythehatchet]

134. thanks

I hope you're right. The powder is dry enough.

:hi:

[Cha]

46. Who knew Steny Hoyer would

get on board?

[in_cog_ni_to]

73. I know. Here's a little snippit about it....from Larry Johnson. Hoyer wants CHENEY IMPEACHED!

Does House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) want Impeachment?
Filed under: Impeachment Progress News, Maryland — Mikael @ 3:36 pm

stenyhoyer.jpgNo Quarter
Larry C. Johnson

5. Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer are not speaking. The majority of Americans believe Dick Cheney and George Bush should be impeached. Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House, says no. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, I am told by someone familiar with the inner workings of the House, favors proceeding with impeaching Cheney. But Nancy says no. Pelosi is being described by some as Tom Delay in a skirt, in terms of her refusal to pay attention to what the majority of Americans want.



(Original Article)

http://impeachforpeace.org/impeach_bush_blog/?p=2533

[Cha]

95. "tom delay" in a skirt"!

Thanks for this, incognito! At first I thought I read "Tom Daschle" because he seemed to have a problem misreading the issues, too!

[Ghost in the Machine]

5. I second that motion...

Get impeachment proceedings rolling, or get the hell out of the way and let someone with some guts and a spine take over.

[demnan]

6. Our impeachment group called her yesterday

and said if she wasn't willing to lead the effort toward impeachment she should resign her leadship role.

[burythehatchet]

51. GOOD FOR YOU. That's great!

[TankLV]

7. No.

Sorry to burst your bubble...

If they ONLY just STOP the repukes from further damaging the country with no new repuke legislation like they have already done, that in itself is a great improvement...

[wildbilln864]

35. That's not enough!

They have to be held accountable damn it! pelosi might as well have taken the Constitution off the table as well!
Impeach, indict and imprison the Bush/PNAC cabal! :grr:

[dajoki]

39. Oh, Yes, I would love...

to see the criminals impeached, but I agtee with you. The Dems have their hands full just trying to stop any further damage to the country and the world.

[walldude]

83. For who? Not the soldiers or the Iraqi people it's not n/t

[ClassWarrior]

8. Blah, blah, blah-blah-blah...

Why don't you just help the rest of us educate the poor woman?

:eyes:

NGU.

[burythehatchet]

44. OK. Appoint an impeachment manager. How's that for a start?

or would that be moving too fast?

[rodeodance]

58. is that like a czar?

[Cha]

60. An Impeachment Czar!

It seems to be the People who are willing to be set the table with Impeachment Proceedings.

Funny,if millions of Americans sent Nancy paper plates with a message to set the fookin' table already.

[ClassWarrior]

62. So start calling her and demanding it. If you're in such a hurry...

...what are you waiting for?? I called my Congressperson last week, and faxed her an article on IMPEACHMENT, plus I called Pelosi's office. I'll do more next week.

How many times did you call Pelosi or your Congressperson last week? Am I moving too fast for you?

NGU.

[burythehatchet]

64. wanna see my phone bill with the calls to DC?

and I take it you're not in a hurry?

[rodeodance]

74. here are some toll free #'s

Forum Name General Discussion: Politics
Topic subject I just watched many on DU get passionately excited about Bill Moyers show
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3376163#3376163
3376163, I just watched many on DU get passionately excited about Bill Moyers show
Posted by rodeodance on Fri Jul-13-07 10:28 PM

on PBS tonight (see a few threads below).
John Nichols and Bruce Fein were guests-----It was all about impeachment.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/2007/07/poll_civil_liberties_and_natio_1.html


While we are excited (well, at least some of us)----lets flood her office and phones.

"impeachment is not a constitutional crisis like many believe but a Cure for a constitutional crisis" (paraphrasing from the show tonight)



AND: from http://pelosiwatch.us/content/view/163/139 /
A clip of: John Nichols - The Genius of Impeachment

Also see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdilpQkZ-e8
YouTube - John Nichols - The Genius of Impeachment

AND:
Cheney's Actions Put Impeachment on the Table
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/?pid=213909
.........

That's an increasingly popular sentiment among Congressional Democrats, who are breaking with Pelosi to speak the "i" word.

It is an even more popular sentiment among the American people.

According to recent polling by the American Research Group, 54 percent of Americans want Cheney impeached. Among Democrats, that number rises to 76 percent. A majority of self-described independents back action to hold the vice president to account, as do a striking 17 percent of Republicans. With conservatives such as former Reagan administration lawyer Bruce Fein coming out strongly for Cheney's impeachment, the numbers of Republicans who are pulling for accountability is likely to grow.

........Conyers, who has made little secret of his belief that the president and vice president have taken actions that are in conflict with the Constitution, has yet to endorse H. Res. 333. But he is feeling pressure to do so. In May, the Detroit City Council voted to support impeachment of Bush and Cheney for misleading Congress and the public regarding the threat from Iraq, approving spying on the American people, conspiring to encourage the use of torture and acting to strip American citizens of their constitutional rights by ordering indefinite detention without access to legal counsel..........

The arguments for impeachment are varied, to be sure.

But at the heart of the growing enthusiasm for putting the process in motion is a sense that Congress can no longer neglect abuses of power by a lawless executive branch.

"The Founders intended impeachment to be used when those running the government forgot that they worked for the people, and the Founders intended impeachment to be used when those running the government acted as though they were above the law," explains Congressman McDermott, who argues that, "The vice president holds himself above the law, and it is time for the Congress to enforce the law.".............
Contact Pelosi: http://speaker.gov / (Speaker Website)

Send and email to the Speaker at: http://speaker.gov/contact /

OR send a letter or call her at:

Office of the Speaker
H-232, US Capitol
Washington, DC 20515
[phone]

AND call your Congress-critters Dem and Repug alike-

--From a previous DU post:

call your critters and let them know you're upset.

If you don't, then how will they actually know? They need some input from us!

Tut-tut

edited to add this (H/T calmari):

1 (800) 828 - 0498

1 (800) 459 - 1887

1 (800) 614 - 2803

1 (866) 340 - 9281

1 (866) 338 - 1015

1 (866) 220 - 0044

1 (877) 851 - 6437

ANY ONE of these will connect you to the Capitol Hill switchboard which, in turn, will transfer you to anyone's office in the House and/or Senate. Just for the asking!

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject For All Those Who Should Think Impeachment Should Be Off Of The
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1330471#1330471
1330471, For All Those Who Should Think Impeachment Should Be Off Of The
Posted by malaise on Fri Jul-13-07 08:48 PM

Table!!

Nancy Pelosi et al are you listening to Bill Moyers?
Are you listening to Bruce Fein and John Nichols

Impeachment is the cure for a Constitutional Crisis.

What a fabulous discussion.

The Constitution is more important than Bush and Cheney. Hold them to account. IMPEACH!!IMPEACH!!

This is the best program I've watched in years.

Edit headline, text.



Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Tough Talk On Impeachement on Bill Moyer's Journal this evening.
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1330902#1330902
1330902, Tough Talk On Impeachement on Bill Moyer's Journal this evening.
Posted by Cleita on Fri Jul-13-07 09:33 PM

This was a terrific show and all participating in this discussion agree that Nancy Pelosi needs to put impeachment back on the table or a terrible prescident in unbridled executive power is being set for future Presidents.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/profile.html

Amazing that the conservative Bruce Fein was the loudest proponent of impeaching both Bush and Cheney. It was an interesting show. Catch it if you can.

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Impeach Cheney--The vice president must be stopped-by Bruce Fein
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1330754#1330754
1330754, Impeach Cheney--The vice president must be stopped-by Bruce Fein
Posted by RedEarth on Fri Jul-13-07 09:15 PM

Bruce Fein was on Bill Moyers tonight

Impeach Cheney
The vice president has run utterly amok and must be stopped.
By Bruce Fein
Posted Wednesday, June 27, 2007, at 5:06 PM ET

[mmonk]

9. Hope you are prepared for

By the way, I second your demand.

[firefox_fan]

11. I DEMAND the Rapture. Right now!

RIGHT NOW!

[saracat]

12. Baloney.And I suppose you have picked a replacement?

[Neshanic]

13. She will have to have some polls done, and she will get back to you.

[MonkeyFunk]

15. I demand a pony!

NOW!!!

[WilliamPitt]

16. Beat you.

#3.

;)

[MonkeyFunk]

21. well.. um....

I demand a HOVERPONY!!

[WilliamPitt]

24. Robopony

[Tom Joad]

56. Demanding a pony is the same as demanding the end of a genocidal war?

in what universe? How do you dare compare a demand for an end to a war that has cost a million lives to a mere childish gratification?

Pelosi has promised that she will not defund this war, and has supported its funding time and time again.
Pelosi has promised that impeachment is off her table. So did it surprise anyone that Bush pardoned Libby, after bush himself got a free pass from Nance?
Pelosi has promised not to force Bush to come to congress before attacking Iran.


This is not the kind of leadership our nation needs.

Americans stand united behind our men and women in uniform.

"We pray for the swift and successful disarmament of Iraq with the least possible loss of life among our forces and the civilians of Iraq. Congress will ensure our armed forces have the support they need to prevail in the difficult and dangerous mission in which they are now engaged.

"God bless our courageous forces and their brave families. God bless the President of the United States. God bless America."

Pelosi Statement on War in Iraq March 19, 2003

[MonkeyFunk]

61. No, they're not the same

there's a possibility somebody could give me a pony.

But they are similar in the level of petulance and childishness they both display.

[burythehatchet]

70. let me ask, did you listen to what the two guests on BIll MOyers

had to say last night?

[MonkeyFunk]

77. Unless they listed

17 Republican senators who will vote to convict, it really doesn't matter.

[burythehatchet]

Oh Goodnes, it SO matters

if you can't understand that then I do understand your position.

[book_worm]

156. better make that 18 because Lieberman won't vote to convict and probably not Nelson of NE either.

[Yukari Yakumo]

186. I think he included that

50 + 17 = 67

Though has SD's Johnson voted once this session? I noticed he's still in the "Not Voted" area.

[mile18blister]

198. Senators have been rolled in on gurneys for critical votes.

I've seen photos of Tim Johnson undergoing physical therapy. If he is number 67, they can find a way to roll him to the Senate and speak or signal aye.

[NoPasaran]

202. I demand Pelosi appoint a Pony Czar!

The clock is ticking, people!

[Neshanic]

18. In the future, you may be told you do have a pony. Even when you know you don't.

[mmonk]

49. I demand the constitution, the Bill of Rights,

and the laws of our land be upheld against all challenges.

[mzmolly]

135. Hey what is it with pony's? Can't you guys demand money or something?

:P

[Turn CO Blue]

203. I thought we were all going to demand pie... (petulant huff)

I demand some pie!!!

[MADem]

17. Bwahahahahaha... sez YOU. You can demand on one hand, and crap in the other,

and guess what you'll end up with? A handful of crap.

I have a feeling that Madame Speaker isn't going to pay much attention to your earnest demand.

I negate your demand, and demand that she stay on in the job. Oh well, back to Square One.

[antimindcrime]

89. You are very intollerable.

N/T

[MADem]

125. And you're not?

Read those rules before ya keep posting, pal.

It's ok to attack ideas, but not people.

And check out the "check spelling" feature too--it'll help you with those big words.

Welcome aboard, enjoy your stay....

:eyes:

[tomp]

139. excellent username, excellent post...

...and welcome to du.

[liberalnurse]

20. You just don't get it.....

It's about finding balance through debate, compromise and sacrifice while still moving forward, towards the goal....It has always been at a snails pace and that won't change...it's how democracy works. History of our forefather's will be your reference, go dissect it.

[burythehatchet]

25. as we move at the snalis pace, the country gets raped at a slightly more rapid pace.

[demnan]

32. And while this illegal war goes on

people get killed in Iraq.

[liberalnurse]

55. That's not anything new..........

it has always involved illogical sacrifice. Public protest and demanding change will eventually give rise to action at some level following heated debates and backroom deals.

[MADem]

37. Oh, now, stop making sense!! You're ruining the 'earnest outrage!'

Don't you realize that Nancy Pelosi is the "embodiment of evil" to those who don't give a shit about, or who don't understand, how the process actually works? A

nd their uninformed view is manna to the rightwing, too!

[Ghost in the Machine]

50. It's about finding balance through debate, compromise and sacrifice

:rofl: I guess you forget how the repugs treated us when they were the majority party, huh? They didn't give a damn about what we thought or wanted, much less worried about debate, balance and sacrifice.

It's time to take the kid gloves off and start playing smashmouth politics. Tell these clowns to sit down, shut the fuck up and pay attention. If they don't like it, stick them in the damned basement like they did to Conyers.

[walldude]

97. What is your "sacrifice"? Unless you have flesh and blood at stake

then really you aren't the one "sacrificing" in this debate. There are people who's lives are at stake, I'm sure they are willing to wait around for their number to come up while you "find balance through debate and compromise." I'm not trying to be an asshole here but too many people don't have the sense of urgency that's needed when people are dying.
The history of our "forefathers" shows Americans standing up to a superior for, fighting an uphill, losing battle against all odds and coming out victorious, which is what we should be doing right now. It's in our blood to be the underdog and still put up a fight.

[Cybergata]

27. I Demand that Speaker Pelosi immediately does her Job and

starts Impeachment hearings for Bush, Cheney and the rest of their ilk that have time and time again have treated the Constitution of the U.S. as their own personal toilet paper. They have broken the laws set forth in the Constitution, and it is the Congresses job to bring these people to trial. It is their duty to look at the overwhelming evidence of their misdoing and find them "GUILTY, GUILTY. GUILTY!"

[ClassWarrior]

30. Hear! Hear! I second that emotion!!

:patriot:

NGU.

[burythehatchet]

31. that would also be acceptab;e, but she's painted herself in to a corner

and no longer has credibility on the issue.

[ClassWarrior]

36. Then get out the paint thinner, get on your fucking knees...

...and help her out of it!! Don't throw more paint AT her.

:eyes:

NGU.

[mzmolly]

118. On the Moyers program last night they talked about the process.

The first step is an investigation, impeachment hearings are next, then impeachment to my understanding. We appear to be in phase one "investigations?"

[Bucky]

29. Oh my God! Things aren't going like I want!! Everybody panic now!!!

I'm making fun of you because you're not saying anything substantive.
.

[Neshanic]

33. Another agree. She is enabler of the republicans.

[saracat]

34. And I "demand" you cease and desist" denigrating a good Dem.

We both want things we ain't gonna get!

[burythehatchet]

40. Sorry it's not about Dem or not. It's about survival

[Big Pappa]

68. How is your survival on the line?

n/t.

[burythehatchet]

75. I consider the actions of the mis-administration a threat to my survival

I can understand the views of others who don't feel that way. I pity them.

[Big Pappa]

120. We are a strong

nation and while these asshats have done their best to wreck it, we will still stand strong. We have faced worse than this and survived. I understand though because it seems as if the nightmare will never end.

[Name removed]

187. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Neshanic]

43. She maybe a good Dem, but in this mess, she's not the leader I want.

[burythehatchet]

47. that's exactly the point. another time, when the world is a different

place, she would be my pick, not now though.

[Neshanic]

59. Agree.

[saracat]

65. And who is the leader "you" want? What if it isn't the one "I" want?

[Neshanic]

69. Well juding from your avatar, your choice may be suspect to begin with.

[saracat]

71. Really? To whom? And name anyone in the Senate who is doing more to represent

Democratic ideals than John Kerry? But of course we slam all Dems who contribute in a "meaningful " way don't we?

[Neshanic]

91. I voted for Kerry. I loved his "every vote thingy," Then conceeds.

Oh he's an excellent guy. I agree. Just had me bamboozled over the quickeness of his giving up.

[burythehatchet]

88. HOw about you get to pick whomever you want,

as long the person initiates impeachment proceedings on Monday.

[Neshanic]

93. Nice.

[saracat]

100. How about I think some things are more important than impeachment?

I favor Bush being removed but I wouldn't waste energy on impeachment.

[burythehatchet]

107. we agree to discgree. To me, nothing is more important than

stopping the crime that is occurring daily.

[saracat]

158. Well, if Cheney and Bush are impeached, Pelosi is President! LOL!

[burythehatchet]

159. That scenario is completely acceptable. There are administrators, and there

are revolutionaries.

[Neshanic]

114. Then don't and get out of the way and let what the majority of Americans want.

His removal from office, and and end to the war. That was the plan when we got elected was it not? A change?

Even if it is started, the approval ratings for congress, which is lower than the Monkey's propably would inch into the mid twenties.

[Mojambo]

41. The country would be well served by new Democratic leadership in both the House and Senate

Perhaps leadership that understands what the responsibility of Congress is when dealing with an executive branch that is wildly out of control.

[Saturday]

45. She should resign for saying this about bush.....

on the Charlie Rose Show recently....


NANCY PELOSI: Just so oblivious. He’s a lovely man. You know, he comes from a beautiful, lovely family, great patriotic family, serves in the highest office of the land, leader of the free world. And he’s a nice person. It’s not his personality, it’s his policies.

[Hubert Flottz]

86. What is she smoking at those White House Bar-B-Ques?

"He’s a lovely man. You know, he comes from a beautiful, lovely family, great patriotic family, serves in the highest office of the land, leader of the free world. And he’s a nice person. It’s not his personality, it’s his policies."

Sounds like something Joe Lieberman would have said.

Hells fire, I believe I could tolerate her better if she had just got caught wearing a shitty disposable Dave Vitter Model LUV Didee, than I can tolerate that SHIT she's talking. That is some sick shit for any DEMOCRAT in America to be spouting, let alone a "democratic leader."

She needs to realize very quickly, that Bush is anything but a fucking "Nice Person."

[Neshanic]

121. No, it's called a file. A little list of items that the Rovians have on her.

That's the only way I can explain the Bi-polar accusations then immediate apologies of a long line of Democrats. Carter...the list is endless.

[Hubert Flottz]

141. I think I can direct you to a copy of the list you are talking about...

http://www.geocities.com/zembmor98/cfr2006roster.html

I don't know if Nancy has been added to the list yet, but it shouldn't be long now.

[Hubert Flottz]

193. You call it a file...

I call it a to the manor born attitude. Maybe she and Bush have discovered while they were holding hands gazing into each other's torchlit eyes, that they are kindred spirits or some shit. Tell that SHIT to the guys coming home in those hidden BOXES in the night from Baghdad.

Still...I think Nancy may have a tad more balls than Harry Reid. God how I wish Bobby Byrd was 70 again...

It's just as important for democrats to raise hell about the silly shit our own people in Washington do, or don't do, as it is to raise hell about the GOP in congress who do nothing.

FLAME ON...FLAMEOUT!

[rodeodance]

48. Impeachment is tool given to the PEOPLE by the Constitution. I do not

think it was right for to remove it from the table. It could be used to hold
over their heads if nothing else!! But, no, I do not think she should
resign. Having said that, I think now, politically, and the longer she
waits to reconsider her stance, the more difficult it will be for her (the
RW will paint her as weak, someone not to be trusted, a lier, etc etc.).

I once read (can not find it now)---that she thinks impeachment should
come from a groundswell of the people-from the bottom up. She talked
of how the public was NOT behind he impeachment of Clinton and what
it did to the nation. She does not want that to happen again (paraphasing).

SO--she needs to HEAR and SEE the 'groundswell"----Keep her staff
busy with phone calls and keep her fax busy and her snail mail box FULL.

[Kahuna]

52. ;;;

:popcorn:

[Neshanic]

53. When Monkey moves her out of her office citing "EP", then maybe some will notice.

[Alexander]

54. I demand you go away.

Both are equally likely to happen.

[burythehatchet]

57. HOW FUNNY/SAD is it that the vast majority here wants impeachment

and maybe consider it the most important issue of the day, yet flame someone for suggesting she's not right for the job.

[Neshanic]

67. Yes, it's as if some magical thing will happen to start it. But it's off the table you know.

[ClassWarrior]

80. Some magical thing? Like the sudden immediate resignation of Speaker Pelosi...

...because some anonymous person demanded it on an obscure message board?

:rofl:

What this is all about is not wanting to do the hard work that IMPEACHMENT demands, given our nation's circumstances today. We've been dealt the hand we have. Let's get down to winning with it.

NGU.

[burythehatchet]

111. that's truly a puzzling comment. You think I'm the only person who

wants this?

[Neshanic]

116. I AGREE with you.

[ClassWarrior]

136. Wants what? The Speaker's resignation or for her to IMPEACH?

I'll take the latter please. Much easier and less self-destructive.

NGU.

[mzmolly]

110. I got flamed for posting about reusable grocary bags, it's the nature of DU.

That said, you got 5 recs. It's all part of the game my friend. :hi:

[Telly Savalas]

172. Who do you suggest as a replacement?

Any House speaker has to contend with the fact that the Blue Dogs and DLC constitute a significant chunk of the Democratic caucus. Without their votes, nothing gets done.

Who do you feel would do a better job of getting these folks on board with a more forceful agenda?

[JacquesMolay]

63. I second the motion ...

... she hasn't done a good job of articulating the general goals the party should pursue, nor effecting the particular goals that the party has chosen to pursue. Our party needs a visionary, with an ability to communicate an overarching view of where this country's going. I think Rep. Pelosi is too 'handled' by her pro consultants to ever approach all of that.

[Nite Owl]

79. Who in the line of

dem leadership would do the right things? I can't see Hoyer or Emmanuel doing any good at all.

[Telly Savalas]

173. And if you waved a magic wand and put somebody like Kucinich in that role

how's he going to get all the conservatives in the party to do what he wants?

[Rosemary2205]

81. I'm sure she'll get right on that.

:crazy:

[treestar]

82. The table comments, at what point was that said and can't

she change her mind if the evidence warrants it? At the time, it may well not have been there in her mind.

It is a process, not an either/or thing.

Also, does Nancy have the power to stop a vote on a bill for it? IOW, why not as much ire at the rest of the House? The Speaker is not dictator of the House.

[burythehatchet]

94. no she's not dictator, but words matter, and setting the agenda matters

and I used to think that legislating wisely would be a good way to handle this. But from what I now see the fundamental tenets of our government are being violated, nothing else is as important to me, than fighting that trend.

[mzmolly]

87. I undertand the frustration, but we are holding hearings which is the gathering evidence stage

of an investigation. We're on our way, though it may not be apparent - yet.

[burythehatchet]

105. I hear you. In my eyes, the jury's back, we've seen the evidence

and we have authorized warrantes for arrest and indictments for prosecution. We just want her to carry out her LEADERSHIP duties now. But unfortunately she put her political nuts on the line with her past comments.

[mzmolly]

132. If it's any comfort she did follow up those comments with "lets see where the investigations

take us..." I feel as though she left the door open for a reason.

I really feel that impeachment will happen, it's in the air. I just don't want to put Pelosi into a position where the media can say she was bullied into it, because it takes from the actual issues surrounding the matter.

Also, there is no WAY Conyers turned around on impeachment, he and Nancy are proceeding quietly toward that goal IMHO. Perhaps it's just wishful thinking on my part, but that's my story and I'm stickin to it.

You have a right to be frustrated burythehatchet, and I know your frustration is not unique. You just have to give the rest of the public a bit of time to catch up is all. ;)

[orleans]

90. "NANCY PELOSI IS WRONG."

"SHE IS DISREGARDING HER OATH OF OFFICE"
--john nichols from the nation, on bill moyers friday night

[burythehatchet]

96. thank you very much.

[orleans]

103. (thank you) n/t

[Neshanic]

98. Bill Moyers, known Republican troll, and plant.

[orleans]

102. yeah, sure....along with john nichols too i suppose...?

[Neshanic]

108. I am kidding. I agree with you. I was just intercepting the inevitable.

[orleans]

182. sorry--i guess i'm getting a bit touchy on this impeachment topic lately

(i was hoping you were kidding. i should have known--moyers looks nothing like a troll)



...well, maybe just a little...

[Tom Joad]

104. no basis for that at all.

[burythehatchet]

115. he's kidding n/t

[Tom Joad]

130. oh, okay...

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

170. Exactly!!!!! Thank you!!!! eom

[walldude]

106. Our foe is superior, they are dug in deep, they have the money

and the media on their side. All we have is "three chords and the truth" and we are fighting an up hill battle against all odds. Sounds like a challenge to me. What happened to the genius, the ingenuity and the spirit of the American people? Are we just going to sit around whining because it's an impossible task? Are we not going to do anything because "we just don't have the votes"? Are we going to sit around talking about it while people are dying in the desert or are we going to act like fucking Americans and get up and fight?

edited for grammar...

[burythehatchet]

123. yes, that's how I feel. I don't feel like enough of us are being heard

we're not holding our leaders accountable. Just like the last time they authorized the spending bill, remember the rage here that lasted for two weeks?

[walldude]

127. Yeah I actually just had to post to someone who

actually disagreed with this sentiment, which is really beyond my comprehension...

[WHAT]

228. Louie Louie "three chords and the truth"...

really was a smash hit. resonance?




http://www.xs4all.nl/~tdg/lyrics.html

[TreasonousBastard]

112. So, who the fuck are you to demand anything? Or rather...

ahem...

In a republic such as ours, few of us get precisely what we want when we want it. Even something that seems as obvious to us as the removal of this corrupt regime is not agreed to by even half of the population, and certainly not by enough of the legislators who will do the removing.

Impeachment cannot be taken lightly or rushed into, even with such as these running the place now.. It has successfully removed a President only once in the entire history of this nation, and never has the removal of both President and VP been attempted. So, they will be impeached, or they will not be, and there are many factors going into such a decision. This country has been through worse times and will presumably survive this mess also.

Whenever I hear the furious demands for impeachment or other actions, I can't help but wonder if it is patriotism calling for justice and better management of the country, or simple revenge because we hate them and want to see them hang from a tall tree.


And I'll take a pony, too.

[burythehatchet]

117. you don't GET, until you demand.

maybe you might consider joining me in my demand.

[TreasonousBastard]

144. Nah, I'll just kinda push and shove around...

in the background where the deals get made.

Not that I'm actually able to make any of those deals, but that's always been where the action is.

Huffing and puffing does have its place, but rarely gets anything done without something serious to back it up.

[philosophie_en_rose]

176. Woooooosh!

That's no doubt the sound of Pelosi resigning, just because you asked.

:rofl:

[burythehatchet]

180. your contribution has been duly acknowledged

thanks, again.

[Neshanic]

128. All small horses are under EP. Your King...George II

Maybe a largish hamster may do for you. They are cuddly.

Were you around for Watergate? Just curious.

[TreasonousBastard]

143. Was I ever around for Watergate...

and the situation was not quite the same as it is now. Back then the population was far more engaged over the three converging tides of Viet Nam, Civil Rights, and the environment than it is now, and the crooks were not nearly as sophisticated as these are now.

And we're not as stoned as we were then, either. Nor do we have any charismatic leaders on our side. Ther are no successfuil appeals to Moral Authority as there were against the war or segregation back then.

Makes this one a far more difficult mess to clean up.

[Neshanic]

146. So they learned from Watergate, tested it out with Monkey, and the next R pres is all set.

It's not like thay are stupid. It's just the person they install.

[TreasonousBastard]

149. Nobody in their right minds would...

accuse RPTB of being stupid, and they learned their Watergate lessons well. Well enough to keep Reagan out of the hot seat and well enough to try for a home run with this asshole they installed.

But, we're not completely shut down as a democracy, and these things have a way of self destructing. As powerfuil these forces of darkness may appear to be, other powerful forces are taking aim.

Problem is, none of the real forces playing this out actually give a shit about the rest of us. As the African proverb says-- When elephants battle, ants get trampled.

[burythehatchet]

154. you say "we're not completely shut down as a democracy", how's that?

because Flava of Luv - Charm School is still cranking out new episodes? Because the integrity of our vote is in question? Because the Department of Justice has lost its credibility?

oh yeah, and if there are contempt charges, the DOJ has already opined that they would be reluctant to enforce any action against the executive branch.

[TreasonousBastard]

157. Voter fraud is probably at an all-time low...

the Justice Department has been involved in a lot worse than it's doing now, and we've seen far worse corporate crime.

Down South for years blacks were disenfranchised with everything from poll taxes to outright beatdowns. Paper ballots down there proved to be among the most fraudulent ballots because they were mutilated and changed as they were read. Up north, we remember the voting machines in the Chicago River and the cemetaries all zombied up to vote.

We don't have to go back to the Pinkerton days of outsourced and privatised DC justice, or the various sellouts and abrogations of the Indian treaties. Or Mexican traties, for that matter. Or even the Bonus Soldiers March, or Hoovervilles. Just look at what ol' J. Edgar was doing in the 50s and 60s. Look at all the lives destroyed during the anti-Communist hysteria of those times. More lives destroyed thanks to Jim Crow. And so little justice for any of those victims.

We've been through all this before, and much worse, and we have survived it. It sucks that we are going through much of it again, but this too shall pass.

If I have a dream, it's that this will be tha last time we have to go through this-- but that is only a dream.

[burythehatchet]

162. voter IS at an all time low. Election fraud is at an all time high.

[MilesColtrane]

217. Let's not forget the fact that there was blatant, demonstrable evidence that the President..

...had broken the law, in his own words no less.

There is nothing so clear as an audiotape of Bush or Cheney directly discussing their involvement in a crime, or of blocking an investigation into a crime.

House Republicans were still unwilling to vote to impeach Nixon until after the Supreme Court forced him to release the tapes.

That may be the only lesson learned by Cheney from Nixon-destroy all records.

[Fla Dem]

233. What???? A voice of reason and thoughtfulness??? Will wonders never cease. n/t

[Virginia Dare]

119. I just have to say I disagree..

and you are being very short sighted if you don't see where all of this is leading. We are heading headlong into a constitutional crisis. Bushy will eventually openly defy Congress, and there will be no choice but to impeach him, it will probably be a near unanimous vote. It will happen within the year. Pelosi is doing NOTHING wrong.

[burythehatchet]

126. it's a beautiful vision, but a big gamble. The courts are stacked.

Thios is about acting as opposed to reacting.

[LibertyorDeath]

129. Pelosi on Impeachment and Defending the Constitution

Pelosi on Impeachment and Defending the Constitution: It's…

Politics – "The President isn't worth it.he's not worth impeaching. We've got important work to do." Stark says he replied, "Respectfully, the question is whether or not the Constitution is worth it," to which he says Pelosi responded, "Well, yeah, the constitution is worth it if you can succeed."

http://politics.netscape.com/story/2007/07/11/pelosi-on-impeachment-and-defending-the-constitution-its-just-not-worth-it

[burythehatchet]

138. funny you posted that quote, it was the last straw actually.

"the constitution is worth it if you can succeed."

That type of arrogance is beyond my threshold.

[LibertyorDeath]

160. I know if these thugs aren't worth impeaching then who is?

[Neshanic]

140. "Well, yeah, the constitution is worth it if you can succeed." She is SO the inspiration...

to future generations of Americans. That line makes me shiver! It's so American, so boundless, so free and embodies everything this country is about. She's a natural leader. I can seriously see her as President some day, or better yet a VP!

When she goes to Arlington and looks over all those graves and says, "Well, yeah, the constitution is worth it if you can succeed." Well that I want to be there for that, or when she goes to Gettysburg! Can you imagine the thrill of her giving that line where Lincoln gave his speech?

I am crying as I type this!

[Disturbed]

145. "I fear she's left herself in a corner."

She can get out of that corner by endorsing the Cheney Impeachment. After all, we all know that she meant that a Busholini Impeachment was "off the table." She needs to sign on the Darth's Impeachment after the August Recess.

[Ghost in the Machine]

147. "Well, yeah, the constitution is worth it if you can succeed."

It doesn't matter if we succed or not, it HAS to be done, if for no other reason than to set a precedent.

I wonder if Ms. Pelosi would feel the same way if it was her life involved? Imagine having to call 911 for an emergency, only to have the paramedics show up and decide that you weren't worth the effort to even try to save because they didn't think it would be successful. It doesn't matter that you are still alive right now, in pain and suffering. We're not going to do anything to help you because well, we just might not succeed.

Speaker Pelosi, our Country is mortally wounded right now, bleeding profusely and in deep pain. Putting Dems in offices of leadership was our call to 911. Save the Country Ms. Pelosi. Do your job!

[Marrah_G]

142. Thank you for your concern

[burythehatchet]

151. that's exactly what their congressional offices say!!!

[thereismore]

148. I agree. It's the cleanest way to proceed with impeachment. nt

[pinto]

150. Understand your frustration. Yet I think the Speaker's job is to see that actions in the House have

a chance to move on to the Senate and the White House. Could she be more cutting edge? Definitely. Could she be more progressive? Yes.

Does she have to hold together a coalition of a couple of hundred Dems to move an agenda forward? Yes.

A more effective approach, I think, is to lobby House members in committee to press their case with the Speaker, work to get an agenda on the floor.

And press the Speaker to hear those issues you feel are important.

LBJ was an incredibly effective Speaker, in his manner, yet he worked with a majority in both Houses and a Democratic White House. And it took him some time, as strong arm a leader as he was.

I favor giving her time to build the coalitions within the House we need to move an agenda up the chain.

[EFerrari]

165. I can only imagine how hard it is for Pelosi to try to build consensus

after all these years of Republican indifference. It must be like pulling teeth from a chicken's mouth.

[burythehatchet]

167. that, and the blue dogs

[EFerrari]

171. We have forgotten how to have civil political conversations.

I say, impose DU rules on Congress NOW. :)

[Babsbrain]

152. Dear God..He's a Lovely Man????

" He’s a lovely man. You know, he comes from a beautiful, lovely family, great patriotic family, serves in the highest office of the land, leader of the free world. And he’s a nice person. It’s not his personality, it’s his policies."

said Nancy Pelosi to Charlie Rose

She also said he was not a liar and he was courageous by trying to pass the Immigration Bill.

What the hell more do we need to know?

Get rid of her!!

[book_worm]

153. Will since you call for her resignation, I'm sure she'll be out by morning.

[LibertyorDeath]

161. For William Rivers Pitt incase he missed it

halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-12-07 09:29 PM

35. you know William,

it's late and I'm tired, so that may be why I decided to respond to you right now. Normally, I just read and move on but tonight I won't. I'll tell you why.

It is working. People are scared. They have been scared because our system so far is failing us. In every direction we turn, we hit a wall. We as people, all have finite amounts of hope, and once you've been on a roller coaster ride of hope and disappointment enough times, it gets very difficult to muster the hope back up again. Things now are coming to light, the tip of the iceberg of the deceit we are, as citizens, victims of. When we get to a point where we subpoena someone and they blatantly flip us the bird, it gets very scary. These are the people who are supposed to protect us and tell us at least the minimum truths, or the most important ones, even the ones that hurt or ask us to sacrifice, even if it's a small bit, for the sake of our country. They aren't doing that, instead they, well.. we all know what they do and don't do, no need for examples.

By just saying "It's working" and adding nothing else, it seems a bit like you are ridiculing the OP.. like, look they got to YOU, fool.. and if I'm wrong, I apologize right now. I don't think the OP reaction was solely based on the latest "booga, booga" and then went running, screaming from the room. I think it's because of our governments actions and non-actions, and of course the attack we did endure on Sept. 11th. Very hard to shake that off. Part of being a victim is learning to how to heal and that takes time. There is reason for so many to still be afraid or to become scared more easily, and this administration, the bully of the block, knows this very well. It works for them, yes it does, hence it IS working.

I believe the more we read and learn, the more frightening it is, at this time in history. It takes someone, like the OP, who knows when our country is being torn apart every which way and feels they are doing everything they can and so many people are too, and still, we are barely making a dent. Call it impatient, yes, it does and will take a very long time to fix this mess we are in. Call it a feeling of hopelessness, helplessness, or just a number of other things and I bet most people share the same feelings. What I hope is that you are not calling it foolish. The only fools are the ones who don't know what is really going on and think everything is just fine.

Lastly, I sometimes see you post a simple response that can be taken as condescending, even if unintentional, and very rarely, (and I've been surprised to see it) but rarely I see you say something very cutting to a poster who is just expressing themselves and their feelings. You may write so much, the day flies by, and many people read your work, of which I am one of them, but most find it hard to write. When they put themselves out on the line with their feelings, is it not more beneficial for you as a community member here, with the enormous insight and capability you have, to give more of a generous feedback? I guess I just think you robbed this person of the comfort they deserve and apparently needed, and you for one are certainly one of the people here who could've offered more than you just did.


Guess I'm just disappointed.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1320007&mesg_id=1322360

[deacon]

163. Another agree. She can't grasp the magnitude of corruption going on.

[SammyWinstonJack]

164. Not this again.

:eyes:

[burythehatchet]

166. what's your point? Did I miss a memo?

:shrug:

[LibertyorDeath]

169. CNN VIEWERS - OVERWHELMINGLY IN FAVOR OF LEAVING IMPEACHMENT ON THE TABLE

CNN VIEWERS - OVERWHELMINGLY IN FAVOR OF LEAVING IMPEACHMENT ON THE TABLE Updated at 4:41 PM

Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 04:16 PM by kpete
Here's the question -- do you agree with Senator Barbara Boxer that impeachment of President Bush should remain on the table?

E-mail your thoughts on that to [e-mail] or go to cnn.com/caffertyfile -- Miles.

O'BRIEN: You know, it's going to be interesting to see what people say, Jack, because with so many important issues, with the war raging, is this what people want to see happen in Washington or do they want to see some solutions?

CAFFERTY: Well, I don't know. I suppose you'd have to decide whether or not that war might be part of the reason you leave this stuff on the table, based on the reasons we went there.


...............

(LAUGHTER)

O'BRIEN: Just quickly, were they pretty much evenly divided on that issue?

CAFFERTY: No, not at all. Overwhelmingly in favor of leaving it on the table, overwhelmingly.

O'BRIEN: Jack Cafferty, thanks very much.

more at:
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/24686

[Terri S]

174. Maybe you should have written this to the Speaker

You feel that way? - fine! Let her know. Your demand doesn't do much here except look for supporters and detractors of your position. If that was your intention, you've succeeded.

[philosophie_en_rose]

175. I want an oompa loompa. I want an oompa loompa right away.

:rofl:

and a unicorn. and a fairy princess. and a pot of gold. carried by leprechauns. riding a unicorn.

:rofl:

[WHAT]

240. I wanna pitt...

working for pelosi.

That oughta work just fine

(Kerry and Kucinich would probably agree)

[havocmom]

177. Burger King mentality is also a factor in the ruin of the nation

You can't have it your way, in 60 seconds or less. Democracy doesn't work that way.

But, pitch your tantrum. The gods need a good laugh.

By the way, the congress has done a lot (check link in my sig line) AND made enough movement to force media to actually cover some real news to the point that We The People are making noise for impeachment. When OUR voices reach crescendo, there will be more and more people on the Hill willing to vote for removal of the cancers in the executive branch.

Demand? YOU DEMAND? Like, you're the decider? Sorry, I live in a democracy. We decide.

Madam Speaker is presiding over a Congress which is working rather well at exposing, to We The People, just what all has been going on. When enough of We The People get hold of our reps and make our wishes known, the democratic process will force them to get to it.

Demand? That's the sort of tactic neocons use. Very undemocratic.

[AntiFascist]

178. Wouldn't it be nice to have a Speaker of the House....

who is prepared and ready to assume the role of President of the US?

[Warren DeMontague]

179. I demand that Jerry Garcia come back from the grave and start playing guitar again.

NOW!

[EFerrari]

181. Yeah! And, what's up with those ties?

:rofl:

[Control-Z]

183. demand all you want

I understand your frustration but I'm afraid your anger is being directed at the wrong person.

[burythehatchet]

194. what are you talking about? I have no anger whatsoever towards

Speaker Pelosi. I admire her. She is simply in the wrong role at this point in history.

[Control-Z]

242. I, respectfully,

disagree.

[locopolitico]

184. Liberals vs. Liberals

Gotta love it when liberals start turning on their own. It's amazing how quick liberals are to throw their own leaders under the bus, whereas conservatives will follow their guys straight off a cliff if necessary. And that, imho, is why they historically have managed to win most elections.

[burythehatchet]

188. and which modality do you think is preferable for the health of the nation?

Following your leader off a cliff or loudly objecting when they're wrong. How would you have liked the Republicans to have behaved with their leaders over the past 7 years?

[Name removed]

185. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[burythehatchet]

190. you have a graphic with a picture of a gagged Cindy Sheehan

and you want me banned from the board because you disagree with me. You sound like a real progressive thinker there fella!

Possible rule 2 violation.... and you're funny. But not in a laughing with you kind of way.

[onenote]

189. I demand that posters on DU have at least some understanding of the political process

But I'll take a pony.

[burythehatchet]

192. That demand has already been met. Next.

[onenote]

222. Not as far as I can tell.

A lot of posters seem to think that Pelosi can make impeachment happen by snapping her fingers. The House proceeds on the basis of precedent. And the precedent, illustrated by the two most recent impeachment proceedings, is that the Judiciary COmmittee doesn't start impeachment inquiry hearings until the House as a whole votes to authorize the commencement of such an inquiry. That vote was bi-partisan in both the Nixon and, to a lesser extent (31 Democrats) Clinton situations.

So to make things move, Pelosi would have to be confident that there were sufficient votes to start an inquiry and, with over 3 dozen blue dog Democrats who very likely are not supportive of starting an impeachment inquiry unless it has at least as much bi-partisan support as the effort to impeach Clinton did at the start, she is wise not to call for a vote that will end up looking like a grand victory for chimpy and/or cheney.


But you already knew that.

[burythehatchet]

227. what were you doing when I was watching Sam Erwin during watergate?

[onenote]

251. I was paying attention. You obviously weren't

Sam Ervin wasn't conducting an impeachment inquiry.
The Ervin hearings were held in May 1973 pursuant to S. Res 60, which was passed by a vote of 77-0 on Feb 7, 1973. S. Res. 60 read as follows:
RESOLUTION

To establish a select committee of the Senate to conduct an investigation and study of the extent, if any, to which illegal, improper, or unethical activities were engaged in by any persons, acting individually or in combination with others, in the presidential election of 1972, or any campaign, canvass, or other activity related to it.



So, let's take it from the top: The Ervin Committee hearings were not part of any formal impeachment process and, indeed, predated the impeachment inquiry by a full year. And they were commenced with a considerable amount of bi-partisan support. So pointing to the Ervin Committee as a basis for suggesting that Pelosi is not doing her job is considerably off the mark. Indeed, in 2005 John Conyers introduced a resolution to create a Select Committee with subpoena authority to investigate the misconduct of the Bush Administration He noted expressly that "the Congress did not begin matters as an impeachment inquiry, but investigated matters through the Ervin Committee and referred impeachable evidence to the Judiciary Committee."

Now, I think that it would be great if Reid or Pelosi could push through a resolution to create a select committee which, as was the case in 1973 (helped along greatly by Nixon's repeatedly shooting himself in the foot through actions such as the Saturday Night Massacre, which followed the establishment of the Ervin committee by more than eight months) helped set the table for the impeachment process that took place in 1974. But again, the likelihood of their finding the kind of bi-partisan vote that led to the creation of the Ervin Committee is, at the present time, next to zero. Rant and rail all you want, and ignore or distort history, but its not going to change the fact that the situation today bears no resemblance, politically, to the chronologically comparable point in the Nixon impeachment process

[burythehatchet]

252. thanks, but I was simply trying to say that

it's really not up to you to pass judgment upon another person's opinions. I've been around as well and mine counts just as much as yours. SO the lecturing is sort of inappropriate.

[onenote]

254. You're entitled to your opinions. I was just pointing out you got the facts wrong

That the Ervin Committee hearings were not an impeachment inquiry and indeed predated the impeachment inquiry is a fact. That the Ervin Committee was created by a bi-partisan 77-0 vote is a fact. That events that post dated the creation of the Ervin Committee, such as the Saturday Night Massacre, had considerable bearing on the ultimate initiation of an impeachment inquiry by a bi-partisan vote of 410-4 in Feb 1974 is a fact.

[Neshanic]

195. He does. He lives here. Thanks for the tip o' wise sage of the politics thing.

[Name removed]

196. Deleted message

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[Neshanic]

197. I will, but I am scared.

[Turn CO Blue]

204. Impeachment has to be carried by someone other than Pelosi

Pelosi CANNOT be the banner carrier on the impeachment issue!

Why not?

Because she is SECOND in line. Conflict of interest here.

Imagine how it would appear to everyone (right, center and left) if she were constantly calling for impeachment -- it would practically be the same as if she ran around DEMANDING that she be the President! "I demand that Bush and Cheney be impeached so that I can be President!" (petulant huff).

She has a very real ethical conflict of interest if SHE is the one pushing for impeachment. If she were the main voice calling for impeachment of BOTH Bush and Cheney, it would look like a power grab for the Presidency. It would seem like a staged coup d'etat - successful or not. The only way she could do it would be to step down as Speaker of the House -- and THEN be the leading voice calling for impeachment, so that she doesn't have this conflict of interest. But then she wouldn't have the gavel being Speaker. Do you see the problem? Besides, as has been stated ad nauseum, we don't have the votes.

Others will have to do it for her. Someone else has to be the leading voice. She HAS to keep saying that it's "off the table" until the rising tide of political will of the citizenry OR her fellow Congressional Dems seem to force her hand.

[burythehatchet]

207. but anyone in that position would have the same conflict.

the people will decide whether the speaker is politically motivated.

[Yukari Yakumo]

239. Third in line, but yes.

But there's one other detail connected to a point you brought up.

Rush and O'Lielly will be playing the "mad power grab by a SF woman" angle for all its worth.

That angle will spread to the M$M, and the General Public will totally buy into that nonsense.

[Turn CO Blue]

241. Second. Byrd is third.

The current pResident does not count in the list of the line of succession (he is not "in line" as he already holds the office).

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Also, IMHO the conflict of interest part that is more relevant than even the public perception. It would be completely and wholely unethical for Pelosi to pursue the impeachment of both office holders above her (the president and the VP) - HERSELF -- as she would benefit, regardless of perception and whether we want her to do it or not.

The only course for her is to only impeach Cheney or for someone else to be the leading voice while Pelosi recuses herself.

[MrMickeysMom]

205. I think you just wanted to see the little flamey thing by the OP!

:evilgrin:... Didn't cha? (come on- admit it)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

213. Welcome to DU and once you're here longer, you'll realize that burythehatchet doesn't flame.

One of the most sincere and knowledgeable posters on DU.

[MrMickeysMom]

236. I think I wasn't clear enough .... the little flamey thing to which I was referring

... is the icon that looks like the topic is on "fire" (? lots of posting activity),

Now, do you get my lame attempt at making humor in response to the OP?

Thank you so much for welcoming me! (sir or madamm)

[saltpoint]

206. I love ya, burythehatchet. And I love the Mets. Especially the Tom Seaver

years. And the Ed Kranepool years.

But I also love Nancy. I vote she stays.

[burythehatchet]

208. Did you watch the pre-game yesterday?

It was Ralph Kiners day. A lot of the oldies were there, including Tom T AND Buddy Harrelson.

[saltpoint]

212. Ah. Some good people. I like several NL teams from those early

days. I lived in New York when Shea Stadium was kind of a dilapidated-looking place -- even when it was relatively new.

But god what fun. The No. 7 train to Flushing was about as cool a New York experience as there was, baseball-wise. I'm sure Yankees fans would disagree, but who gives a crap what Yankees fans think, anyway?

I would have liked to have watched the game yesterday. I wonder whatever happened to Choo Choo Coleman?

[Madspirit]

209. Deleted because incorrect!

[burythehatchet]

210. what in the world are you talking about?

[Madspirit]

214. I Sincerely apologize

I've deleted my posts. I haven't had enough coffee today. I mistook you for "Harper is something" another poster who yesterday had a whole thread about why we should all bow down and kiss Nancy's bottom end.

Please accept my apology and I totally agree with your OP or at least I agree that Nancy hasn't done what she should do.
Lee

[Madspirit]

218. Do You Not Accept Apologies?...n/t

[burythehatchet]

229. he he, I went for my Sunday nap.

[burythehatchet]

225. no prpblem.

[Madspirit]

231. Thanks...I really was worried

You're one of my favorite posters and I thought I had alienated you for forever. There should be a law against ME posting before I have had coffee.

Lee

[burythehatchet]

232. well that's a very nice thing to say, I'm going to make my smilie blush

:blush:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

215. She's Done A Great Job. I Demand You Resign Your DU'ership Immediately. But I Guess That's Just As

worthless a sentiment.

[Madspirit]

216. k&r

I don't know if she should resign or not. She certainly hasn't done what I hoped she would do. I wish someone more savvy and sophisticated than I would please explain why this president is being allowed to break every law in the fucking book and get away with it. I don't understand. I really really don't and I suspect it is because the elected Democrats are chickenshits in an election time. The problem is, they are losing a lot of people's respect. I want guts not chickenshits. Bush is a straight-up criminal, shitting on US AND shitting on the entire world and it's evidently just politics as usual.
Why did she think it was OK to take impeachment "off the table"? Someone explain this to me.
Lee

[LeftCoast]

219. No, no & no!

:thumbsdown:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

220. Awwwwww, How Cute. Thanks Oh So Much For Your Concern!

I'll be certain to make sure Nancy gets your request. I'm quite sure she'll ponder it quite seriously. :rofl:

[Swamp Rat]

221. I demand Pelosi put Impeachment on the table, and a vice president on the Hibachi.

[conscious evolution]

223. I agree

[Bicoastal]

224. Let's hear what Mayor "Diamond Joe" Quimby has to say about this...

Quimby: "Demand? Who are you to demand anything? I run this town! You're just a bunch of low-income nobodies!"

Mayor's Aide (in a whisper): "Uh, election in November, election in November..."

Quimby: "What? Again? This stupid country!"

[eggman67]

226. Let me know how that works out for ya...n/t

[HughMoran]

230. OK, you're opinion is heard

Looks like you got lots of attention too - good for you!

[Fla Dem]

234. So we impeach Bush...if it suceeds we get Cheney...good plan. n/t

[ruiner4u]

235. *poof* Done!

Meanwhile, back in reality....

[flyarm]

237. the table is set dear...

two chairs..candle light..

and orange suit at each place setting..a lovely set of cuffs..no keys in sight..a copy of the constitution set at each place setting ..as if they were a menu...

the waiter stands waiting ..and waiting...and waiting......to serve the bloody bastards..

and yet no one comes to dinner!!


when will we serve them????????


the dinner is getting cold...

what will it take to make them sit at the table???????

before too soon the rats will have eaten the meal!!

fly

[JNelson6563]

243. Spoken like a true Keyboard Commando

How sad. And many DUers think that's a great post? Laughable. Seems it's getting more true by the day that anyone who can fog a mirror can post a blog or a forum post and be applauded.

Julie

[xultar]

244. BEST. POST. EVER! Bravo!

[ourbluenation]

245. ita - and 24 recs....wow. n/t

[burythehatchet]

248. What in the world do you think you know about me?

This thread has been a very useful exercise. It has opened my eyes to the spectrum of thought on the so-called progressive wing. It seems that there is a mindset that believes some great Democratic strategy is at work here and someone is going to swoop in an save the day. LIke this is a grand game of chess and our strategy is going to win it in the bottom of the ninth.

Let me disabuse you of that notion.

We play checkers.

Wait it out, let the process work, the investigations are getting hot. All that stuff is just running out the clock. Meanwhile, the heist of the country continues.

On the rabid right wing of politics there is a group who would put their party over the well being of the country. On the left wing, a similar mindset exists.

[Warren Stupidity]

256. We heard the same crap from the same folks before.

The cheerleaders get vicious the more obvious it becomes that their team captains are either completely incompetent or completely corrupt.

[JNelson6563]

257. Apparently not much

To be honest with you all I know about you, besides the OP I commented on, is that you are a long time DUer and I've seen your name many, many times here. After my years here I have to say there are few I know much more about than that.

What your OP tells me, in spite of the fabulous discussion you feel has sprung from it, is that things are not moving fast enough for you or, perhaps, Pelosi's top priorities haven't matched yours. For this you demand her resignation.

Your insinuation that I'd put party above all else (likening me then to a Freeper) is interesting. I'd say it's more Freeper like to demand exact cohesion to one's own agenda or demand their resignation. Freepers are unaware of the meaning of compromise, rational thought and completely intolerant of any detail out of line with their own misguided thoughts.

Julie

[nini]

246. Go take a Civics/Government class and learn something

When you really get a grasp of how the system of govt works you'll see it's not as freaking easy as you think.

She has not failed at the understanding of what the role is, you have failed at understanding the process etc..

[burythehatchet]

247. now why would I go to a class to learn that when folks like you are here to teach me?

[Caretha]

249. I predict

That Nancy Pelosi shot herself in the foot and will live to regret that statement. Just like Bush Sr. did when he said "No New Taxes".
Or Nixon...."I am not a Crook!"

You know the majority of them are all just politicians and Oscar Wilde said Politicians are arses upon which a man is sat. That pretty well sums it up.

We the populace? Basically we are all just "mouth eaters" to them...you know the equivalent of medieval peasants. The experiment in democracy has been a failure and in this era we are the unlucky ones who get to deal with its death throngs. The reason we failed will fill volumes of tomes for future generations to mull over and debate, and I'm sure everyone will have their pet theory.

I'm not really a seer, but I am smart enough to read the handwriting on the wall....and I'm afraid....there are no more "good men"

[marlakay]

250. Remember they were going to put in a DLC guy

instead of her. They would never have voted as the leader a very liberal one so no one would have been able to pull off what you expect her to pull off. Its like everyone is angry because the congress is not liberal enough...we have to vote in more liberal people who will vote with Nancy. She can't do it alone and she isn't going to talk moderate dems into voting with her...

[BootinUp]

253. :eyes:

:eyes:

[Raine]

255. ROFLMFAO

are you going to drum your heels on the floor and hold your breath till your face turns red too. :rofl: :eyes:

[Freddie Stubbs]

258. Wow. Two days have passed and she hasn't given in to your demands

It appears that you have failed horribly to convince her.