I like Nancy Pelosi

[Horse with no Name]

But the Constitution was never HERS to take off the table, it belongs to "We the People".
Taking it off the table was an olive branch to George Bush--a promise of bipartisanship--however, Bush promptly snatched it out of her hands and whips her with it every chance he gets.

That being said...I am not asking her to step aside. I just want her to reconsider her options and take that olive branch back. It was not well-deserved and the good faith she extended it in does not exist.

It's time Nancy. Do the right thing.

[babylonsister]

1. What you said. It's time, Nancy. nt

[EFerrari]

2. Past time. Nancy, set the table.

[deacon]

3. Agree. She was the wrong person for the job.

[EFerrari]

4. I don't think so. The job is just a mofo. And we need to keep

telling her what we need.

[Horse with no Name]

5. I don't believe that

I "understand" her attempt to reassure the American people that she wasn't going to use her power and influence for a witch hunt like the Republicans did against Clinton.
However...the pure contempt that Bush has shown this Congress does not deserve any further acts of faith from her. Bush has taken away every avenue of good will and compromise by his actions. The tool bag that Nancy was given at the beginning of her term--hearings, subpoenas, etc...has been undermined by this administration. The ONLY tool she now has left was one she didn't want to use, the tool of impeachment. However, the actions of this administration have made it clear that they will not respond to anything else.
She needs to understand that.

[SammyWinstonJack]

10. I think she is a better judge of what she is able to do, in this instance, than we are.

:shrug:

[Harper_is_Bush]

18. what tripe

[defendandprotect]

23. Feingold had the heat; which the DLC fears --

[tularetom]

6. She has no choice. It's her duty to impeach.

You are correct, the choice of taking impeachment "off the table" was not hers to make.

I've learned a lot about impeachment in the last 24 hours and I'm astounded that our elected Dems are so poorly learned in constitutional matters.

If there is evidence that bush and the dick violated the constitution, it is congress's JOB to impeach them. So say the founding fathers.

[tigereye]

11. the Speaker of the House has no say in an impeachment or similar

process?

[tularetom]

13. Obviously she has a say in it, but she also has a duty under

the constitution to defend and uphold it. When she feels it has been violated it is her job to bring impeachment proceedings.

Perhaps she doesn't feel unauthorized wiretaps, loss of habeas corpus, usurpation of congress' war making prerogatives etc etc are violations of the constitution. If this is true she is sadly out of touch and should not be in a position of authority in the opposition party.

B ut should she feel they are breaches of the constitution, as I understand it, the founding fathers intended for impeachment to be a tool to be used to remedy those breaches, either by correction of the offending acts, or failing that, by removal from office by the senate.

It occurs to me that she may be holding back for fear of displaying unseemly ambition (she is after all next in line in the presidential succession process). Fine. Get someone else to champion it (like Tom delay did with clinton) and stand back and let it take its course.

To do nothing is to concur in the actions of dick and bush.

[tigereye]

25. do you really think that most Americans would agree that Bush should be

impeached? (and by default their legislators having the same opinion?)

Granted there are things that he has done that stun me and remind me of Watergate.... In another time, he would have been impeached by both parties....

[tularetom]

26. Maybe I'm too optimistic but

the polls already show a majority in favor of impeaching the dick and about 40% or so for impeachment of the boy king. Also my nutcase republican relatives are no longer arguing with me when I point out the ongoing clusteerfuck that is this administration and a couple have even mentioned the "I" word.

Finally, I play golf at a public course several times a week. Most of the people I encounter there are middle class retirees like myself and most are such rabid right wingers I avoid getting into political discussion with them. Perhaps because of the immigration debacle, most of them have now turned on bush and more than one told me he would support impeachment.

All anecdotal of course, but I can definitely sense a change in the force......

[Gregorian]

7. I think she knew impeachment had to come from the people. Her test.

And I have always thought that this was her way of testing us.

She's no dummy. She was raised in a political family. I have faith in her. I think we have every reason to be impatient, but it isn't going to help things along until the time is right. And that's when there is momentum. And it's time now. We're going to see big changes coming soon. It's July. Think about what next December is going to bring King George.

[Swamp Rat]

12. I agree

Now is the time.

[EFerrari]

14. I think you're exactly right. I think Nancy is an extremely

smart and able stateswoman. And it's her job to forward the Democratic platform and majority but it's my job to keep telling her what I need.

She's pretty much surrounded and I want her to do well. But that won't keep me from speaking up because the stakes are very high.

[Gregorian]

15. I still believe it, even if the Ken Starr episode was an inside job.

I have faith in Nancy Pelosi. She doesn't set our BS-ometers off. But what happened to Clinton didn't come from the people. That was a different beast altogether.

We'll see... :)

[EFerrari]

16. Ken Starr must have a very interesting client list.

lol

:hi:

[bonito]

8. I agree n/t

[Time for change]

9. Absolutely

[Harper_is_Bush]

17. She was elected, and she can say whatever the hell she wants.

"taking the Constitution off the table" is just rhetoric. She is the "we" in "we the people", therefore she (with the support of her other elected party members) makes the decision.

And if they decide not to impeach, I suggest ya'll deal with it. Or vote for the other guy.

[Horse with no Name]

19. Elections have consequences

and she is answerable to US.
Just an FYI.

[Harper_is_Bush]

20. we are ALL answerable to ourselves first and foremost

just an FYI.

In the case Nancy Pelosi, you gave her a mandate. If you're threatening not to vote for her next time, that's fair and your role as a citizen is that's how you feel...but she is entitled to lead as she sees fit in the meantime.

[Odin2005]

21. When you take something off the table you can put it back on later.

I wouldn't be surprised if she is trying to get the support of 66 senators necessary for impeachment. I think her "off the table" comment was so that she could do it without the pro-Bush ass-kissers in the MSM knowing about it.

[defendandprotect]

24. It was taken "off" to aid and comfort Bush --

[wiggs]

22. Well said. I think

Nancy, George, and Dick should sit down together and watch a dem and a republican make a reasoned case for impeachment.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/profile.html

[proud2BlibKansan]

27. I don't like her

I used to like her. I could probably like her again if she would put impeachment back on the table.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

28. We really need Howard Dean to make the case for impeachment

Pelosi is only a rep of the Democratic Party. Howard is the chair. The Dems need to decide what they want to do with impeachment.

[Disturbed]

29. The least she could now is sign on to the Cheney Impeachment.

She needs to lead because she is the Leader of the House.

[Madspirit]

30. Truthfully, my friend HWNN

I think you are right. I think she did it for that reason too. ...an olive branch type thing. I just wish she had realized ahead of time that Bush really really IS Evil and he would just turn it around and smack her with it.

I would prefer she not step down but I would like her to put it BACK on the table. Bush spits in the face of law. I don't think Nixon was even comparable.

Lee

[marlakay]

31. You guys are forgetting they were going to give it to the DLC guy

instead of her and she barely won out....it could be much much worse...

[clixtox]

32. Too Many Democrats, Including Pelosi...

Are actually "Republicans Lite". In San Francisco Republicans are not electable so if one is interested in being in political office you must register and run for office as a Democrat or a Green.

Diane Feinstein is another "Republican Lite" from SF. Without this background trying to pigeonhole or categorize these politicians is impossible.

Pelosi doesn't represent SF as much as she represents Baltimore, Maryland, her home town!

[cboy4]

33. Word.

:thumbsup:

[Imagevision]

34. Cindy Sheehan On CNN just gave Pelosi until 7/23/07 to put it back on the table or she

will be running against her and Sheehan is upbeat because she says she has the support, she has my support 110%, screw you guys!!

[Yukari Yakumo]

35. Nice to see you buying into the RW tripe.

How convenient for you to forget what she said after that sentence. Wasn't it something along the lines of "let's investigate first"?!?

Chimpy, specifically his handlers, has insulated himself to the point that he has hundreds of people than can be thrown under the bus at his whim. (With a cummutation and/or pardon to eventually come later.)

But right now, there is nothing that directly implicates the Chimp to anything impeachment-worthy.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

36. nothing that directly implicates?