Pragmatic Anti-impeachment arguments CRAP all over our Constitution.

[NoodleyAppendage]

Look. The facts are simple. Bush has committed offenses that make a case for impeachment strong and more deserving than lying about a BJ in the Oval Office.

There's been plenty of pragmatic arguments flying around as of late...many I suspect are plants to tamp down the grassroots OUTRAGE at our CRIMINAL President and the complicity of a Congress that holds politics over our Constitution.

The pragmatic/political argument that Dems shouldn't pursue impeachment because there aren't enough votes is a cowardice of justice. I guess, by extension, that District Attorneys should forget about prosecuting criminals because there might not be enough jury votes for conviction. Is this the logic? That justice is determined not by the facts and the crime, but by whether its worth it or not? Justice is supposed to be blind to avoid this very problem.

We have a DICTATOR for a President and those who oppose impeachment are either cowards and/or complicit in the downfall of our once great Republic.

Jefferson, Franklin, and other great founding men of this country would have moved for impeachment. What makes the courage of their convictions "quaint" now?

J

[RufusTFirefly]

1. Amen! May FSM be with you! n/t (K & R)

[NoodleyAppendage]

10. Ramen. n/t

j

[hedgehog]

2. We didn't impeach St. Ronnie, either.

Maybe if we had, we wouldn't be in this mess today. However, the phrase for today is "If you strike at a king, you better kil him." What happens if a vote to impeach fails, or we impeach but don't convict?

[NoodleyAppendage]

6. What happens if a vote for impeach fails? We hold our heads high knowing...

There's no HONOR in cowardice.

J

[wtmusic]

7. amen. nt

[rodeodance]

14. I second the e-motion

[defendandprotect]

17. We should have impeached Reagan --

He had great popularity at the time . . . . and I don't think people really understood Iran-Contra until much, much later. Maybe even only now???

I was shocked that Ollie North had such "hero" appeal -- he's a Nazi!!!!

[eyesroll]

3. Actually, DA's choose not to prosecute cases they deem unwinnable all the time.

Limited resources, limited time, yes, politics, all play a role.

[NoodleyAppendage]

5. Happy with that?

More often than not it is not the crime that is waved but the method of the punishment (i.e., pleading out to a lesser charge, etc.).

J

[wtmusic]

9. The biggest role is played by the magnitude of the offense

Burglars, even armed robbers will occasionally walk due to flimsy evidence.

A mass murderer will remain in jail until the evidence is found. Prosecutors will bust their asses and find the evidence they need to bring it to trial.

All that's missing here is commitment.

[napi21]

4. Did you watch Bill Moyers Journal on Impeachment?

Yesterday I saw some DUER say he was going to buy a copy of the program and send it to (I don't remember if he said Conyers, Leahey or Pelosi). I suggest we all send the link to that program video via an email to all # of them, and include your own Rep and Sens too!

If you need the link, here it is.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/video_popups/pop_vid_impeachment1-2.html

The argument in favor of impeachment was made much better by those guys than any I've heard before!

[NoodleyAppendage]

8. No, but thanks for the link. Will watch it ASAP. n/t

J

[bbgrunt]

11. damn straight

[proud patriot]

12. !

:patriot:

[rodeodance]

13. Pragmatism has mellowed down lots of things

[NoodleyAppendage]

15. Was it pragmatic to impeach Clinton?

Pragmatism apparently only comes up when Dems have some power to actually do something, then all of the sudden it's verboten to impeach.

J

[defendandprotect]

18. It's easier to impeach a penis -- !!!!

[NoodleyAppendage]

25. Good. Then we'll have no problem impeaching Dick. n/t ;)

J

[Odin2005]

16. Having a temper tantrum doesn't help anything.

Abstract notions of absolute moral imperatives and principles usually don't stand contact with the real world.

[NoodleyAppendage]

19. Remind me of that when someone commits a crime against your family.

There is no higher imperative than principles that define our country and make our citizenry the core of power.

Neville Chamberlain would have been proud of your position. It's exactly the pragmatic approach to ignoring what is principally right that led to the rise of Hitler.

Good luck with your conscience.

J

[cutlassmama]

20. Bush said the "constitution was just a piece of paper" n/t

[NoodleyAppendage]

24. As usual, he takes things literally. n/t

J

[Swamp Rat]

21. k&r

[AntiFascist]

22. K&R numero 5 n/t

[GeorgeGist]

23. Supporting Impeachment

is both pragmatic AND principled; especially for the Troops.

[Senator]

26. K&R