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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 06:24 AM
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Wisdom from the last Republican worth half a crap.
(dragged up from the Archives. . .truer and truer. For all people who remember what the GOP used to be


General Dwight David Eisenhower
U.S. President 1953-1961

"I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its stupidity."
o Speech in Ottawa, Canada (10 January 1946)

"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both."
o Inaugural address (20 January 1953)

"All of us have heard this term 'preventative war' since the earliest days of Hitler. I recall that is about the first time I heard it. In this day and time... I don't believe there is such a thing; and, frankly, I wouldn't even listen to anyone seriously that came in and talked about such a thing."
o Press conference (1953)

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. <...> Is there no other way the world may live?"
o "The Chance for Peace" - A speech given to the American Society of Newspaper Editors (16 April 1953)


"...if a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power."
o Remarks at Fourth Annual Republican Women's National Conference (6 March 1956)

"I tell this story to illustrate the truth of the statement I heard long ago in the Army: Plans are worthless, but planning is everything. There is a very great distinction because when you are planning for an emergency you must start with this one thing: the very definition of 'emergency' is that it is unexpected, therefore it is not going to happen the way you are planning."
o Source: A speech to the National Defense Executive Reserve Conference in Washington, DC (14 November 1957)

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
o Letter to Edgar Newton Eisenhower, his brother (8 November 1954)

"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience…we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
o Farewell speech as President (17 January 1961)

"Un-American activity cannot be prevented or routed out by employing un-American methods; to preserve freedom we must use the tools that freedom provides."
o The White House Years: Mandate for Change, 1953-1956 (1963) p331

"I was against on two counts. First, the Japanese were ready to surrender, and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing. Second, I hated to see our country be the first to use such a weapon."
o Newsweek (11 November 1963) On his stated opposition to the use of the atomic bomb against the Japanese.

"An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows."

"Humility must always be the portion of any man who recieves acclaim earned in the blood of his followers and the sacrifices of his friends."

"I think that people want peace so much that one of these days government had better get out of their way and let them have it."

"If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom."

"May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion."

"Only strength can cooperate. Weakness can only beg."
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BlueCollar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 06:30 AM
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1. Lincoln must be rolling over in his grave
at what has happened to his party
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 09:18 AM
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14. You do know Lincoln did not run as a Republican his second term?
He ran for the National Unity Party....
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BlueCollar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 04:23 PM
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22. I didn't know that
Thanks for your response...I'll be looking to read a little more on that period of history.
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gatorick73 Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 06:35 AM
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2. So this is the reason
that my conservative parents had for speaking so highly of him. I was in 3rd grade when JFK was shot and even though they did not vote for him, both of my parents wept openly. Mom voted twice for the shrub and I still love her!!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 07:26 AM
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6. I suspect that a LOT of people who vote Republican, and who consider
themselves Republicans think that there are still "Eisenhower Republicans" among the leadership. You know. The people who aren't that interested in "following politics". . .
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MLFerrell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:23 PM
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16. You might love Mom, but I can't forgive anyone who voted for * in '04.
Welcome to DU.

:hi:
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 06:45 AM
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3. Amen!
Thanks
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 06:46 AM
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4. Excellent....I tried to send this...
...to Bush, but apparently there's no e-mail link to him on whitehouse.gov.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:49 PM
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20. "Heh, heh. I don't email however, because I don't want anybody to read my stuff!" nt
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 07:04 AM
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5. He was my first vote. I liked him and came from a GOP family.
My father was for no church/state wed to each other and said war was just one big waste of people and goods. Plus one does have to make your town better so all can get better in the town. One hates to say it takes a village. The GOP left me and I never stopped believing that stuff I just listed. I am more a Nader Dem. I can not figure out the GOP at all and what has happened to that party.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 07:43 AM
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8. THE GOP got hi jacked by Neocons and Fundies...
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 02:03 AM
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26. It started long before that.
I never went with the no union part of the party from the first but I think I had finally had it with the womens movement and civil right years. I finally just left it when RR came in. I first voted for Muskie and that was a long time ago when He was running in the state of Maine. He wanted to clean up the air and water in Maine. I kept voting for GOP President until RR so it was a long time for me to really place where I was. I understand voting for a party that your parents voted for and not really doing a lot of thinking about it. I was busy and did not want to think about it. I must say that the GOP was right about taxes. My father paid so much in taxes it was hardly fair and to think Kennedy was the one who started taking the high rate down. I did not vote for Kennedy. I usually say I sit in the messy middle but I find on these test that I sit next to people on the far left. So I moved and the the GOP also moved. I would say I think like Sanders and he is still the only man I send money to. Both parties seemed to have taking from each other in their talking points to pick up votes I guess. I mean when Bush was running he just was all over the place and look how he works to 'rule'. Where the hell did he get he was King from?
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:27 AM
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29. Saint Ronnie the Thespian put the nail in that latter coffin
Tricky Dick set the wheels in motion for the former.

or am I incorrect?
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 07:32 AM
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7. Ike you are so right with this
"I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its stupidity."
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 07:58 AM
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10. And lest we not forget,
this administration is laden with deferments which explains a lot.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 08:02 AM
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11. I guess it just goes to show one can't learn much by running away, huh
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 08:30 AM
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12. They certainly have no point of reference
to the experiences of those that sacrifice and thus cannot empathize.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 08:38 AM
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13. thats right
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 04:53 PM
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23. Wow. You sure got that one right, bro! Nailed it!
:thumbsup:
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 07:58 AM
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9. those who hate war the most are those who have experienced it first hand . . . n/t
.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:09 PM
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15. He would be called a leftie or liberal today.
Liberal extremist I gather. Today's media would attack him like you've never seen.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:40 PM
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33. So would some of our past Tories here...
Macmillan and Heath were to the left of Blair on many issues. Maggie Thatcher moved our political spectrum way to the right. I assume Ronnie did the same in America?
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:08 PM
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17. WOW.
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. <...> Is there no other way the world may live?"
----------------------

This one paragraph would be good to send to freepish friends and relatives when they forward those propaganda emails.....
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:09 PM
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18. We need these rminders...
to show us not what the Republican party was, but what it has become.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:48 PM
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19. Bookmarked. Very nice. Except for that jab about intellectuals. nt
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:56 PM
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21. I was reading in an FDR biography last night that may people considered Ike to be a Dem
It's like Powell when he still had his credibiity.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:11 PM
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24. Kicked and recommended for the last DECENT Republican president this nation ever had...
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:52 PM
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25. I knew it would be Ike
He's my favorite Republican, too. Definitely the last one worth a crap. I have a lot of respect for him.

Here's a good Ike quote I found last week:

"We seek peace, knowing that peace is the climate of freedom."
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 02:15 AM
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27. That was a refreshing read.
More's the pity that his kind have vanished...
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:13 AM
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28. I'm surprised by his anti-intellectualism....

...particularly in view of his obvious intelligence...
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:52 AM
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30. He was a general
A career that is, I am quite sure, that is more successful for 'Doers' and not 'Talkers'.

He seemed to consider Intellectuals to be 'Talkers' instead of 'Thinkers'. Understandable mistake and perhaps with a twist of political move as well.
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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:15 AM
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31. I don't think he was so much anti-intellectual
rather, he was disdainful of pretentious self-aggrandizing pseudo-intellectuals one runs across from time to time. Rush Limbaugh is a prime example, he can be very eloquent and well-spoken when he wants to be (at least he was years ago, I haven't abused my eardrums with his bellowing in years), but he's still full of shit just the same.

Todd in Cheesecurdistan
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:37 PM
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32. Well, okay.

I'm not familiar with the gentleman, so can't really scrape together much of an opinion. I bow to your superior knowledge.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:47 PM
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34. good gawd!!
what crying, sniveling little bed-wetting liberal came up with all that crap? :sarcasm:
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