When/will the Senate vote for withdrawing our troops from Iraq?

[SaveAmerica]

I checked out the Senate's web page and didn't find it on the schedule but did find out that the Vice President's only job is to preside over the senate (no mention at all about hiding in the bushes to make sure W says everything just the way he rehearsed it :shrug:) http://www.senate.gov/index.htm

Thanks

[mzmolly]

1. Good question.

:shrug:

[Ghost in the Machine]

2. why waste the time? Even if it passes the Senate, dumbass will just veto it

... or render it moot with a signing statement if it was passed by a veto proof majority.

IMPEACH FIRST... *then* pass legislation... it's the only way it's going to be effective

[SaveAmerica]

4. Every time he vetoes the troops coming home when America voted

for change in Iraq could be more people on board in support of Bush and Cheney's removal from office, they can't ignore this growing voice that is against keeping our troops there indefinitely. He didn't veto anything for all those years and now gets his jollies off of vetoing against Americans' wishes.

I, for one, am a NGUoligist* (of course that could get me in trouble with the NAACP but hopefully they'll understand it's Never Give Up that I mean). I'm glad that the house brought this to a vote again and I hope they do it again and again until it gets the job done.


*NGUoligist - see Dixie Chicks, not ready to back down...

[Ghost in the Machine]

5. Thank you for proving my point. There are none so blind as those

who are unwilling to see. :banghead:

"I'm glad that the house brought this to a vote again and I hope they do it again and again until it gets the job done."

What is it that they call the process of doing the exact same thing over and over again, expecting different results??

Oh yeah, they call it...........

INSANITY!!!

Stop the insanity, IMPEACH NOW!!!

[SaveAmerica]

6. I wanted to know if and when there will be a vote in the senate so

we can get an idea of how many senators who voted with Bush are now going to vote for our troops. There have been many defections in the past few weeks, will there be enough to force him to sign it? I'm for impeaching, I have plans to go to DC and throw myself into the effort but impeaching him and THEN passing legislation takes time. We need action now, our troops need help now!!!

This freak couldn't care less that he's tearing our country apart, piece by piece, he doesn't care that he's ruined our Armed Forces. You and I are supposedly on the same side, we want this waste of space out of there and we want to make things right for our military. It's pretty sad, and I hope it's just frustration on your part that you'd call me insane when I want people who are supposed to be governing to take action now.

[Ghost in the Machine]

10. First off, I didn't say *you* were insane, I said the idea of repeatedly passing

the same legislation, over and over and over, just to have it vetoed, is insane.

Answer me this: They say we don't have time to impeach... where do we have the time to keep passing the same legislation over and over and over again, each time getting vetoed? What kind of sense does that make? So the Dems can sit back and say "but.. but.. but we're TRYING to do SOMETHING, but jeeze louise, that mean ole president just keeps vetoing us, what do we do now??"

It's time to understand that Bush and Cheney are nothing more than an OBSTRUCTION, and we need to remove the obstruction so we can move forward as a Country and try to right the wrongs that they have committed.

Yes, we're on the same team here and ultimately want the same thing but we've just got to get in sync and get moving. This isn't a game, this is a very threatening time for our way of life as we know it. With all these investigations going on, we've got these rat bastards backed in a corner, but they ain't giving up without a fight to the death. They are at their most volatile and dangerous point right now. They don't care who they hurt or kill, and the longer they stay in power, the more dangerous they become.

I cannot stress enough the importance of stopping all of this talk about repeatedly passing legislation that will do nothing but get vetoed in the end, and move the focus to impeachment and/or removal from office by other(legal) means.

We are running out of time here folks. We need to act now.

[MonkeyFunk]

11. but that's how it works...

put them on the spot again and again. Hope to pick up a little more support each time.

Lots of big legislative efforts were won this way.

[Ghost in the Machine]

12. That may be how it worked in the past, but we're dealing with an animal unlike

any we've ever encountered before. This is a whole different ball game. We didn't have a President with wars going on in TWO countries, and threatening to invade a third.

We also were dealing with someone who was capable of rational, intelligent thought. We don't have that in this case. We have warmongers, hellbent on perpetual war and global domination through military might.

What we have here is a schoolyard bully who has graduated into a back alley thug with a BIG GUN, and he's not afraid to use it...

We need to make every one of our elected officials stand up, on National TV, and state whether they stand for and represent us, We The People, or if they are a criminal enabler of this runaway misadministration. Put them on the spot and in the spotlight, then hold them accountable by their vote.

I realize that what you propose has worked before, and can and will work again in the future, but it's not going to happen with George W Bush and Richard B Cheney. They are totally, totally immune to ration thought and/or behavior.

[MonkeyFunk]

13. which is why

we need to pick up congressional republicans.

[Ghost in the Machine]

14. omg... do you NOT understand that it doesn't matter if we pick up the

whole damned republic party because ANY ANY ANY ANY LEGISLATION that comes to his desk that has ANYTHING to do with ending this war, the asshole is going to VETO IT. IF it was passed by a veto proof majority, HE"LL USE A FREAKIN' SIGNING STATEMENT TO RENDER IT MOOT!

My GAWD, what does it take to get through to people??

Edited: for spelling, and to add a disclaimer**

**Sorry if I sound too rough or assholish, but this is something that I am VERY passionate about, and I love a good debate, even if it gets a little heated sometimes...

PEACE!

Ghost

[MonkeyFunk]

15. no

a signing statement can't do everything.

We need Republicans to join us in ending this war. Some already have - and every time Bush vetos ones of these bills, it makes him look worse and puts more pressure on him.

I know that's not satisfactory to many people here, but it's how politics works.

[Ghost in the Machine]

16. and the more pressure that's put on him, the more dangerous he becomes.

Backed in a corner, trigger finger itchy... false flag attack, suspend elections, suspend Congress, declare Martial Law... hello dictatorship.

You might feel safe, but I don't. I live inside the 10 mile instant kill zone of a nuclear plant. What's even funnier is that this nuke plant is near the Sweetwater Flea Market... yeah, that one... the one on the "terror watch list". Remember that list?

I don't want to give this madman one more second longer in office than humanly possible with his back to the wall. I'm in no way afraid of muslim/islamic radical terrorists harming me or anyone else, but I wouldn't put it past this criminal cabal at all.

That's just the way politics work?? Guess what, it ain't working...

[MonkeyFunk]

17. see

when people start spouting about suspending congress and imposing martial law, I tune out, because it's just crazy-talk.

[Ghost in the Machine]

18. oh, aren't *you* the slick one?

I see your game now.. enjoy your day at work here... I'm done with you..

[MonkeyFunk]

19. LOL

what... if I don't share your paranoid fantasies, you won't talk to me?

People here predicted martial law and canceled elections in 2002, 2004 and 2006. After awhile, it just becomes silly.

[Ghost in the Machine]

20. hey, I thought you were tuning me out??

You can call it paranoid fantasies all you want, I call it something that stays in the back of my mind that is a very real threat. It's not something I dwell on or think about on a daily basis or anything like that.

I wonder if a million dead innocent Iraqi civilians had paranoid fantasies before we started bombing them? Nawwwww.. they thought we were going to be liberators, huh?

If you don't think this administration is capable and willing to sacfrifice a few thousand of us to further their agenda you should probably look a little deeper into them. People may have predicted suspended elections and martial law before, but the junta had no reason at the time to do it. They knew they had the '02 elections in the bag. Same with the '04 elections. And they had their rubberstamp congress.

They got thrown a curveball in '06 because of record turnouts at the polls, and it's got them rattled right now. Now they have more reason to act. They are being exposed for what they are, a criminal junta, and they are willing to fight to the death to achieve their goals. Do you honestly think that they have spent all this time amassing all this power, just so they can hand it off to someone else and they walk off into the sunset? Do you remember Karl Rove's assertation that there was going to be a permanent republican majority?

We can continue this debate in a civilized manner if you'd like, but *you* took the first cheap shot... I just responded in kind, as I am prone to do at times.

It's up to you....

[mmonk]

3. I'd rather not extend the tour another 120 days.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

7. No time for that. We have Iran to take on. n/t

[radfringe]

8. news blather says possibly this week

meanwhile, I believe the WHAAAAmbulance is standing by for the "We don't have the votes" excuse crowd

[nosmokes]

9. When they start marching into Iran n/t