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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:54 PM
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Gov Ritter attacked!
Just heard on the radio that a gunman tried to kill Colorado Gov. Ritter Breaking.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:56 PM
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1. Ritters shaken but okay
Just on our local tv channel here in CO.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:57 PM
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4. What happened? Did they say? n/t
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:59 PM
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10. The guy was armed and was shot dead but Ritter is okay
Jeez - they went back to the soaps. :eyes:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:56 PM
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2. Oh NO! Is he OK?
:scared:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:57 PM
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3. Is Gov. Ritter by any chance a Dem?
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:57 PM
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5. Why yes! Yes he is.
My snarky original thought as well.
;)
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:57 PM
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6. YES. He is. n/t
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:57 PM
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7. Yup
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:15 PM
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61. Does the sun rise in the East, every morning?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:58 PM
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8. Ritter is fine
the gunman was killed. It seems to have occurred outside his office.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:58 PM
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9. Good heavens! Is it on the msm?
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:59 PM
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12. CNN corrected it and said the gunman was in the welcoming office, not in
front of the governor's office.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:59 PM
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"Not an act of terrorism, no partisan motivation suspected."
Just writing copy for the cable news networks. You're welcome.
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:04 PM
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24. How do they know that already?
As long as it's okay to speculate about the shooter's motivation, I'm gonna guess that he's a 10,000+ poster over at Free Republic.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:23 PM
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37. See body of the post.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:36 PM
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72. Does anyone know where Republican strategist, operative David Bossie is?


Here he is hugging the iminently odd Louisiana Republican
Rep. Livingston, who resigned after being outed by Hustler
during the Clinton Monicagate days, while still feeling
"superior," morally! Way to go, Rep. Livingston!





A list of just a few of Bossie's finest moments:
  • During the 1992 presidential campaign, Bossie got into a fistfight with a Little Rock, Arkansas, private investigator, Larry Case, who said he had damaging information on Clinton. Bossie told police that Case had punched him after Bossie refused to pay Case a $10,000 advance as they were preparing to board a flight at Little Rock National Airport.

  • That same year, Bossie set out to prove that a young pregnant woman named Susan Coleman had committed suicide in 1977 after having an affair with Clinton. Coleman's mother told CBS that Bossie hounded her relentlessly with his false story, even following her to an Army hospital in Georgia, where she was visiting her husband, in recovery from a stroke. Bossie and another man "burst into the sick man's room and began questioning the shaken mother about her daughter's suicide," CBS reported.

  • Also in 1992, President George H.W. Bush, repudiating Bossie's tactics, filed an FEC complaint against Bossie's group after it produced a TV ad inviting voters to call a hot line to hear (almost certainly doctored) tape-recorded conversations between Clinton and Gennifer Flowers. {Indeed, the Post reported on July 15, 1992, that Bush said of Bossie's organization, "We will do whatever we can to stop any filthy campaign tactics"; and that his son, George W. Bush, sent a letter to 85,697 major donors urging them not to contribute to the group.}

  • In 1994, Bossie traveled to Fayetteville, Arkansas, with an NBC producer, where the two allegedly "stalked" and "ambushed" Beverly Bassett Schaffer, a former state regulatory officer and a lawyer who had played a small role in the so-called Whitewater conspiracy. The two confronted Schaffer outside her office and, after she refused an on-camera interview, reportedly chased her across town, until she found refuge in the lobby of an office building.
    (snip)
http://mediamatters.org/items/200608300007

Disclaimer:

Not saying the shooter was Bossie!
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firefox_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:59 PM
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11. Shouldn't it be Vitter?
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 04:36 PM by firefox_fan
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:05 PM
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26. Is Vitter the Governor of Colorado?
:shrug:

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firefox_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:14 PM
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34. No, I'm saying, why didn't the guy target Vitter instead?
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:28 PM
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39. Vitter isn't in Colorado right now, no opportunity,
I think he surfaced somewhere in Louisiana today.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:00 PM
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13. Any chances they know who would attempt this
of course my guess is freepersvillans.



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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:01 PM
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14. Man called himself the Emperor.
DENVER — A man who walked into the offices of Gov. Bill Ritter with a gun and declared "I am the emperor" was shot and killed by a member of the governor's security detail, a spokesman said. Ritter was not injured.

The governor's offices include a lobby and several other rooms. It was not immediately clear where the governor or the gunman was at the time.

The unidentified man walked into the office and said, "I am the emperor and I'm here to take over city government," spokesman Evan Dreyer said.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/4971880.html
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:03 PM
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20. Was the man
W? :D
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:31 PM
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40. Funniest. Post. Of. The. Day!
:rofl:
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:09 PM
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89. No, it was this guy.


September 17, 1859 – Joshua A. Norton, who lost his money in an attempt to corner the rice market, today declared himself Norton I, Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico.

July 16, 1860 – Decree from Norton I dissolved the United States of America

August 12, 1869 – Decree from Norton I dissolved and abolished the Democratic and Republican parties because of party strife now existing within our realm.

http://www.sfmuseum.org/hist1/norton.html
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:44 PM
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94. No, but he was doin' his
best imitation.
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:09 PM
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31. Did the guy have a red nose, floppy ears, and have trouble keeping his arms at his side?
Does anyone know where the lying weasel is today? :rofl:

On a more serious side, I'm glad the Gov. is okay.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:01 PM
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15. "I am the emperor"
The gunman said. According to the local CBS channel Web site:

Dreyer said the man walked into the office and said, "I am the emperor and I'm here to take over city government."
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:03 PM
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21. "I'm here to take over the city government!"
"Oh! You want the mayor's office! He's over in the City Hall."

"Oh, shoot. Thanks."
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:09 PM
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32. I guess some emperors think small
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:54 PM
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49. Today is inauguration day for the Denver City Government...co-incidence?
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 04:56 PM by originalpckelly
The city gov. is housed across the way in the Civic Center Building, between our capital and the Civic Center Building there is a beautiful park called Civic Center Park, I go down that way all the time. This is pretty scary to have something like this happen.

God, John Hickenlooper (like the BEST MAYOR EVER) could have been killed if this idiot was a little more coherent.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:01 PM
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16. A guy gets stuck in a tree and CNN is all over it, but a governor is attacked and
i hear crickets chirping:shrug:
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:02 PM
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18. they covered it as soon as they got the
earliest reports.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:04 PM
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25. Well, Ritter isn't a pretty, blonde white girl
:hi:
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:45 PM
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47. Not one of the celubutant skanks...
Paris, Brittany, Lindsay, and who's the other one?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:53 PM
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83. if Ritter had been bitten by a shark, there might be more interest
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:05 PM
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27. or some car chase
that's what they were all over when I happened by CNN. :eyes:
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:08 PM
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30. This station was covering a 2 alarm fire in Ca. this AM
They guy should have started a fire, I guess. A car on fire got 24-7 coverage two weeks ago.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:01 PM
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17. Please the man didn't even reach his office n/t
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:03 PM
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22. Thank goodness
It seems security worked.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:02 PM
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19. KOA Radio is reporting that someone came into the Capitol
ranting and raving that he wanted to take over the state. . .

Of course, KOA is a Fox affiliate. . .

The governor was in a makeshift office - apparently some renovations were going on in the Capitol. ..

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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:03 PM
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23. It appears the Capitol is being evacuated?
eom/
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:07 PM
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28. Sounds like somebody is off his meds............
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:59 PM
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54. So they shot him.
Anyone know if the police asked any questions first?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:13 PM
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59. well, if you walk into the governors's office waving a gun around
you are most likely going to get shot
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:47 PM
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81. Vid of Denver Police spokesman sounded cagey to me.
Not saying this guy with a gun wasn't a possible threat, but he didn't fire a shot out of the 5 that were heard. He "basically made some kind of threatening comment...what the statement was we won't get into at this time."

Just a little food for thought before we all conclude that the guy needed to get shot to death. I think he probably needed psychiatric treatment.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:07 PM
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29. Not a joke: He was shouting "I AM THE EMPORER!" as he waved his gun around
Before he was shot, the gunman said, "I am the emperor and I'm here to take over state government," Dreyer said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070716/ap_on_re_us/colorado_capitol_shooting
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:11 PM
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33. rec. nt
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:22 PM
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35. Grrrrrrr....It Would Be SO Nice!
I would really appreciate it, as a mentally ill person, if the police would start carrying non-lethal ways to take people down. To anyone but a nit, it is obvious, regardless of what party...Democrat, Republican, Martian Liberation, that the guy was mentally ill. The only way our society...the society that doesn't take care of it's ill in the first place...has, of dealing with the ill, when they get out of control, is to kill them. This wasn't a gang of terrorists. This was one lone crazy man. They could have taken him down as easily and as quickly as they took him OUT FOR LIFE.

Thank-you. I'm so glad our lives are so important to so many people. Thank-you very much. Grrrrr.

Lee
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:23 PM
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36. Sorry...guy has a gun---guy gets shot.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:24 PM
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38. Yep. n/t
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:35 PM
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43. They have the technology to take people down without killing them
It is unconscionable...and you sound like a Republican sound bite. "Liberal" used to have "bleeding heart" in it. It sure as fuck doesn't any more.

If the guy was a diabetic with his insulin out of control or someone with a brain tumor, it would be NO different. Our culture shuns it's mentally ill, even though the operative word is "ILL". Period. There is NO reason for the first response to be KILLING SOMEONE who probably has no control over his behavior.

If there was NO other way to take someone down and other Innocents were at risk, then so be it but we DO have the technology to take people down without killing them.

During the Cho incident I got so upset with people here I talked about it, a LOT, to my shrink. I actually went so far as to hating some of you, for a time. IT COULD HAVE BEEN ME. It could even have been YOU. Mental illness strikes everyone, every class, every day, just like most illnesses. It's a prima facia case too. The behavior PROVES the illness. Any society worth SPIT should take care of it's ill, then it might not ever come to this. As is, you don't even notice us until we die on your doorstep or shoot up a school.

FUCK THAT.

Lee
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:16 PM
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62. I agree, we should care for the ill.
But this asshole had a deadly weapon (would love to know how he got it) No one is going to chance not going home to their family for this crackpot.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:19 PM
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63. What technology
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 05:19 PM by nadinbrzezinski
If he had a knife you MIGHT have a point... and only in a series of circumstances taht were NOT, I repeat, WERE NOT present here

But he had a DEADLY WEAPON, which leads to DEADLY FORCE

I wish it was different, but the arc of deadly force taught to any who may use deadly force is... gun on suspect, deadly force authorized
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:26 PM
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92. Let me tell you something---
if a guy has a gun---- would you use a taser against him or gun? If you answer taser---you aint to bright.
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InternalDialogue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:32 PM
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41. Local TV website reports the shooting at 2:05 p.m. local time...
...just minutes after I walked around the capitol, past the north doors where the suspect was shot.

Eep. I hate finding out about those little quirks of circumstance.

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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:34 PM
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42. I've got the local news on, they were running a crawler, said it was some nut...
who wanted to take over the government, whatever that means.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:41 PM
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45. Take over the government?
The gunman wasn't Cheney was he?
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:50 PM
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48. I didn't know this happened almost an hour ago...
That would explain why other channels don't have anything about it (i.e. crawler)
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:38 PM
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44. Dead gunman
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:25 PM
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66. Eerie.
n/t
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:28 PM
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68. OK, that's creepy.
Where the hell is that from?
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:31 PM
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70. Denver Post
They have a pretty detailed account of the event. For whatever reason, the dude was wearing a tuxedo.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_6388583

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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:41 PM
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75. OK, that's pretty fucking weird. Why a tux?
:shrug:

Oi vey.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:47 PM
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80.  Because his tutu was at the cleaners?
The details are starting to take the shape of a nut who had a psychotic break with reality.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:55 PM
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85. Yes.
Let's hope there aren't copycatters.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:11 PM
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90. LOL!!!
I'm sorry, but I really AM laughing out loud at your comment.
well done :)
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:23 PM
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91. That's nice of you
Thanks. It's squirrelly news day :)
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:43 PM
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46. More right wing terrorism?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:56 PM
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50. more likely: more suicide by cop
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:56 PM
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51. Nah, this guy was going for the Mayor, not the Governor.
He wanted control of the city government.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:58 PM
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53. "I am the emperor and I'm here to take over state government."
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:01 PM
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55. Upthread, that must have been a bad quote.
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 05:02 PM by originalpckelly
Someone said the guy was going for city gov. I think that was obviously a wrong quote and yours is right.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:03 PM
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57. Whatever. he wantd to be emporer. Just like Chimpolini. nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:21 PM
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64. Possibly
I could also possit some really far crack pot conspiracy theories, (like havng people ahem activated), but I will leave them alone

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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:58 PM
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52. It's almost 4 PM MDT in Colorado, the local news will be on soon....
I post more if it should happen.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:02 PM
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56. Silly guy...the real Emperor is
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:10 PM
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58. Scary shit. This is just so odd to watch on TV.
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Blue Poppy Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:13 PM
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60. I just watched the news...
the Capitol is locked down, the gunman was shot (by a member of the gov's security detail), and they are processing the scene.
Here is a link to local news: http://www.9news.com/news/top-article.aspx?storyid=73818


I wonder if we will have to deal with these kind of incidents up until the convention?
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:22 PM
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65. I know, I'm wondering that too.
The nuts may flock to us and start pulling this crap.

And imagine how many crazies they'll be if Barack is picked, I hope he is just to piss the fuckers off, but still we shouldn't be naive, they'll be people who try to kill him.
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Blue Poppy Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:28 PM
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67. The freaks will be coming out of the woodwork next year,
especially the ones from the Springs. :scared:
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:30 PM
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69. Those are the kooky relatives Colorado locks away in the attic...
I have a feeling they're going to escape like you said.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:42 PM
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76. Its not colorado, it is the whole country
everywehre we have cooks who now feel justified in pulling off this crap
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:44 PM
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78. Yeah, I agree. I think people are losing empathy...
they're only thinking about their pain, but don't consider the type of pain they can/do inflict on others in these shootings.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:51 PM
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82. I guess it's the price we're willing to pay for our little
Culture of FEAR:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:46 PM
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79. Hey! There are some El Paso County Dems!
There's me, and ummm.... I'm sure I'll think of somebody else :)

Actually we do have John Morse and Michael Merrifield. Marylou Makepeace was/is a liberal disguised as a non-Democrat. But yeah, the scene is pretty wierd down here sometimes.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:55 PM
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84. I'm sure there are at least ten Democrats...
;-)
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:36 PM
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71. What happened to having Tasers? Not deadly enough?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:41 PM
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74. tasers are not an option when somebody has a gun
I wish sci fi was here and now, and you could disarm an armed person and not risk getting killed in the process'

When you invent those magic rays, you will a market, but when somebody has a gun, guess what? You can shoot him or her.

I know it is not a warm fuzzy, but we don't have the technology

Also... just out of curiosity for you. What is the EFFECTIVE range of a taser? What is the EFFECTIVE range of a pistol?

you do the math.

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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:40 PM
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73. Thank goodness he's okay n/t
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:42 PM
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77. This is pretty damn surprising isn't it?
I mean other than Columbine, Colorado's a pretty quiet state.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:58 PM
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86. Except for that time the fans threw iceballs at the Raiders, too
Now *that* was an incident!
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:59 PM
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87. Raiders don't count.
:-)
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:01 PM
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88. Hey, they've got families
I think.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:41 PM
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93. Some
asshole killed 5 at shopping mall several months ago.
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