we can call repukes every name in the book and wish them unwell....

[Gato Moteado]

...until, that is, they croak or get real sick. then we seem to have to forget about all the pain, suffering, death and destruction they've caused the world and forget their victims and instead pay homage to them and cry for their suffering and the suffering of their fascist families and friends.

wtf?

what about the war? what about the destruction to the environment? what about the theft of our national treasury for corporate gain? what about the death and murder for profit? what about the suffering? what about corporate control of our food supply, our environment, our healthcare? what about all of that? why am i supposed to weep and send my condolenses when a republican liar and theft and murderer gets sick and dies? to me that sounds disgusting, especially when i think of all the unnecessary death and destruction these people have caused. would the minority of DUers that are offended by my lasseiz faire attitude toward a sick or dead american nazi weep if they were around when hitler went belly up?

[Richardo]

1. Wow. You're exactly like 'they' are.

Congratulations! :thumbsup:

[Gato Moteado]

3. no, i'm not like them....

...and i don't have to spew a bunch of fake sympathy to prove it.

i'm against fascists when they're alive and i'm still against them when they're sick or dying.

woody guthrie's guitar said "this machine kills fascists" not "this machine pretends fascists are nice people".

[blondeatlast]

4. Does the name Fred Phelps mean anything to you?

That's precisely how he thinks as well. There's a place for decorum and I will honor it.

Holding one's tongue is a lost, but necessary, art.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. Yes, and I'll be perfectly happy when he dies.

In fact, I'll support a statue being erected upon his death, celebrating his death, with a plaque mentioning how he's burning in hell.

[Toasterlad]

15. Normally, I Don't Celebrate ANY Death

In fact, I remember when Reagan died a few years back and I was at Pride in Philadelphia - Sandra Bernhardt was the guest and she was taking such GLEE at his death; my friends and I had to leave. I was not a Reagan fan but I don't really believe in celebrating a person's death, especially someone so old and ill.

That being said, I will, in fact, give three cheers and a hearty "F.U.!" when Fred Phelps finally kicks off. And I hope it's an extremely long, extremely painful process. That's because he's not a person.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. Meh.

Reagan was a lot worse than Phelps.

[Toasterlad]

19. C'Mon Borny...You've GOT to Be Kidding.

Phelps has devoted his entire life to destroying homosexuals. Not just making sure they don't get married, or have equal rights, but DESTROYING them. If he thought he could get away with it, he'd be killing them in the streets. He's a MONSTER.

Reagan turned an unconscionably blind eye to the thousands suffering and dying from AIDS during his administration, and yes, that was evil. But whatever his flaws, I still think he was a human being. Not a good man, perhaps, but not a monster.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. Pff.

Phelps calls names.

Reagan actually killed people.

[Madspirit]

52. Bornagin is TOTALLY right

Phelps is just a big mouth and I think a really sick man, mentally ill and all. Reagan was a fascist pig who actually did horrible things to the world.

Reagan is a trillion times worse than Phelps...and this is a lesbian saying this. ..a lesbian who's field is psychology. How can you even compare a deranged old crazy man to a man with real power who did real harm?

Lee

[Toasterlad]

59. Phelps Lives to Hate. That's ALL He Does. I Believe Reagan Was a Person.

I'm not going to try and tell you he was a good man. But I believe he was a man. His vision for this country was scary and twisted, but I honestly believe it did not originate from hate, despite the hatred he might have held for some people (including me).

ALL Phelps does is hate. That's his sole reason for being.

[Gato Moteado]

66. both are human garbage

nt

[MiserableFailure]

33. what an ignorant and incorrect statement for the reasons

already mentioned.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

34. Explain why.

Why is Phelps worse than Reagan? Given the reasons I already mentioned.

[MiserableFailure]

35. I go by what's in their heart

Reagan was a terrible president but he was not intrinsically evil like Fred Phelps is.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. The thing that was in Reagans heart was the same thing in Phelps' heart.

Unbridled hatred of homosexuals. Not to mention plenty of other minorities.

Lemme guess, you voted for Reagan?

[MiserableFailure]

39. Nope

I voted for Mondale in 1984, but nice try. I've posted about it before. I was born in 1966 and he was the first presidential candidate I voted for. I then proceeded to vote for Dukakis in 1988, Clinton in 1992 and 1996(I was in the Army from 1988-1999), Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004. I'm supporting Obama in 2008.

I think I probably voted for Pataki for governor of my state in 2002(endorsed by the states largest gay rights group and health care union), but I'm not entirely sure about that. If I did, he's the only major-office Republican I've ever voted for.

I don't believe that Reagan hated homosexuals. I believe he was wrong in almost everything he did but you don't know what was in Reagan's heart. You don't know that he hated homosexuals or other minorities. We KNOW that Fred Phelps hates homosexuals.

[EFerrari]

47. Reagan got people dead. That's not wrong, that's murder. n/t

[Clark2008]

48. Who'd you vote for in the last primary?

Just curious.

[Madspirit]

54. WRONG....BEEP

Actually Reagan was intrinsically evil and Fred Phelps is mentally ill. ...and I'm a lesbian and I give ol' Fred a break. It's prima facia..the behavior PROVES the illness. The man is nuttier than a pet raccoon. Reagan was the ultimate in Evil and he actually DID Evil things that caused death, etc.

Lee

[Gato Moteado]

57. they're both evil.....

...reagan was in a position of power and caused harm and death.

phelps only has power because the media gives him exposure. if people stopped paying attention to phelps and his freeper family, he'd eventually go away.

[baby_mouse]

27. Hear, hear. NT.

[Gato Moteado]

7. you're comparing phelps' elation in the death of innocent people....

...with a "who cares" attitude toward the death of fascists?

you've lost me. can you please explain yourself?

[Richardo]

32. You're a cartoon.

You throw the terms fascists and nazis around just like the freeps who call everyone to the left of them 'socialists' or 'communists'. And we laugh at their ignorance.

You've proven you're not to be taken seriously. Being 'against' fascists (and boy you throw THAT one around) is different than celebrating a human death and the sorrow of that person's family.

Yes, you ARE just like them. Own it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

37. Are you going to deny Tony Snow's a fascist?

In the figurative sense?

[Gato Moteado]

44. so, it seems that you must agree with the repubs that the iraq war is a good cause.....

....and all of tony snow's work as press secretary is noble and good. and he deserves to be honored with many threads here at DU praising him and showing sympathy for his friends and family. and yet, there are thousands of dead US soldiers and hundreds of thousands of dead iraqi civilians and none of them get their own special threads at DU.

sorry, i think that's backwards.

you get mad at me for calling the repubs fascists and you compare me to freepers. i haven't called you any names. some einstein here compared me to fred phelps. i haven't called anyone here any names to deserve that.

i feel, as do many others here, that the repubs qualify as fascists. what would you call starting illegal wars to enrich corporate cronies?

you give a shit about tony snow's family. that's great. you're so sympathetic. sorry, that's backwards. i care about the innocent lives taken and all the suffering and destruction caused by people like tony snow and his bosses.

[ProfessorGAC]

49. Pot Callilng The Kettle. . .

. . .
GAC

[Madspirit]

55. Gato is righteous

You people's brain cells are missing or have been stirred with an ice pick. Fred Phelps is a crazy old man, really disturbed. Reagan was a PIG who actually did REAL things to people and was in a position, some might call, the most powerful in the world, the president of our country. How can you even compare an old crazy man with a big mouth to the leader of America? Jeez much. Phelps causes no REAL harm. Reagan did.

Lee *a lesbian who actually understands psychology*

[Gato Moteado]

58. i'm not worthy.....

i'm just an angry lefty that doesn't tolerate fascists and nazis (live or dead they're the same to me).

[The Stranger]

2. It is a remarkable about face, and the flames fly if you step out of the condolence line.

Case in point, see above.

[Gato Moteado]

8. it's bizarre isnt it? the fascist's life is more important than all the victims....

...once the fascist is dying.

do these people weep over hitler's death? i'm confused.

[EFerrari]

46. It's the Reagan Error. Who died, anyway? n/t

[Gato Moteado]

50. nobody yet but.....

....someone posted another thread where they predicted tony snow only has 6 months at the most. then a bunch of people chimed in saying how sad that is and that they felt so sorry for his family and how much better we are than the freepers because we're sympathetic to great human beings like tony snow that are dying......oh i tell ya i had to go puke.

all of the sudden all the victims of the iraq war, katrina, 911, the environment and everything else is tossed aside so a few DUers can pretend to feel better than the garden variety freeper. all the death and destruction take the back seat and words of sadness and sorrow must be spoken for tony snow (the guy who lies daily for bushco and did the same at fox news).

oh....we have to show how much better we are than the freepers and forget the death and destruction caused by the repukes and take the time to honor them when they are sick or dying. oh it's so heart wrenching.

f*ck that. i know i'm better than any freeptard. i don't need to pretend to feel bad for some fascist and his family who has helped to bring about the horrible conditions of the world. they can go cry for dead freepers, tony snow, and hitler if they like. not me.

the funny thing is that i never said anything about taking joy in the deaths of these people. i only said i don't feel any sense of loss when people like that pass on. i feel bad, instead, for their victims. and my post gets deleted.

[EFerrari]

51. Ah, I see. Thanks, Gato. Yes, hypocrisy is a Republican value

not a Democratic one. I agree with you. :)

Edit: I don't know if you ever saw this but I wrote it when Falwell went to his just reward. We're on the same page, I think.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=913617

[Gato Moteado]

56. great thread!

yes, we're on the same page.

you'll never hear phony sympathy coming from me when a fascist croaks.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. Somebody else said it better then me.

It's posturing.

[Gato Moteado]

9. posturing is exactly what it is.

i never said we should throw a party when these fascists get sick or die. though, if someone wanted to throw a party it would be ok with me. i bet a lot of people partied when hitler croaked.

but please, spare us all the fake sympathy for these people when they're dying or dead. why waste bandwidth with threads honoring war mongers and corporate thugs who cause so much pain, death and destruction? why? please explain why, when there are so many victims to show sympathy for instead.

can one of them explain to us how this is not posturing?

[OnyxCollie]

11. I'll throw a party. Damn straight.

I'll run up and down the street, whoopin' and hollerin'. I'll do a little dance, pour some champagne, and smile that another tumor in this widespread cancer is forever gone.

[baby_mouse]

10. What, this again?

Every time some stupid evil RW bastard croaks or gets taken out of circulation and their hideous evil ceases to have power over ordinary people humungous numbers of posters on this message board start weeping for them and turn their control freakery on anyone celebrating the good news!

[Gato Moteado]

45. well said!

nt

[Richard Steele]

12. I genuinely feel a loss when one of "them" dies.

Not a loss for what they ARE- I'm glad the world is rid of that.

But it's sad that they no longer have the chance to CHANGE-
to see the light and become GOOD people.

It has happened, you know. Happens to someone, somewhere,
every damn day.

As long as they are ALIVE, it's not too late to try to make
things right. Once they're gone, that possibility dies with
them. And that's a sad thing.

[OnyxCollie]

13. Are you waiting for bush to change?

Good luck with that.

[Richard Steele]

14. No, and that's not what I said. If he dies without changing, I will regret that he didn't.

Different.

[Toasterlad]

16. I Agree With You, DS

The thing that's sad when someone evil dies is the missed opportunity. Here was a person in a position to do a lot of good for a lot of people, and they chose to just promote their own agenda instead, or spew hate, or oppress their people. I felt like that when Hussein died: I wasn't sorry he was gone, but it wasn't a victory, either: it was such a waste. That tool could have done great things for his people, and instead he died a lonely loser.

[OnyxCollie]

22. Saddam Hussein was executed

after bushco launched an illegal invasion to remove him from power. He didn't just "die". He was murdered by the Chimperor.

[Toasterlad]

26. He Also Deserved to Die.

Our reasons for getting involved in this insanely illegal war notwithstanding, Hussein was a mass-murdering maniac without whom the world is better off. I may not have celebrated his death, but I'm not sorry about it, either.

[OnyxCollie]

28. He did not deserve to be executed

by a kangaroo court that was influenced by US direction. That is what I regret.

If one deserves to die, then one is without redemption. Why not take satisfaction in that such a horrible person is no longer here, instead of mollifying with hypotheticals that never came to pass?

[Toasterlad]

31. Who's Mollifying?

I said I'm not sorry he's dead. Just because I don't think it's a cause for celebration doesn't mean I'm not sincere in my lack of sorrow. As it were.

You are correct that the US had no right to kill him. However, since a large majority of his own populace would have gladly torn him limb from limb, that doesn't bother me overmuch. We have since moved on to much greater atrocities.

[OnyxCollie]

18. Why cry over spilled milk?

____ is an asshole.

____ is an asshole up until the moment he dies.

You feel sorry for ____ because ____ didn't change his thinking to match yours. What purpose does that serve, other than to make you feel better about your own views?

When bush et. al shuffle off this mortal coil, would you expect Iraqis to exhibit a similar sense of piousness?

Regarding bush, what "change" could possible make up for starting an illegal war that has resulted in the deaths of over half a million people? Plant a tree?

[Richard Steele]

24. Because somewhere, 2 minutes ago, a small child just died for lack of milk. nm

[OnyxCollie]

25. Spoiled milk kills, too. nt

[Richard Steele]

29. More's the pity when good milk is wasted. nm

[OnyxCollie]

30. Don't give me paint

and tell me it's milk, (if only it would change.)

[mitchum]

21. I'm not part of that "we"; death and tragedy do not ennoble the corrupt and murderous

Wm. Shakespeare was absolutely right about the evil that men do

[ComerPerro]

23. hand-wringers trying to invoke moral superiority by pretending they care about the loss

[Gato Moteado]

60. exactly!

nt

[annabanana]

38. Merely evidence that we are better than they are.. . . n/t

[Gato Moteado]

61. exactly.

nt

[rockymountaindem]

40. Wait. Phelps is dying?

Huh? I haven't heard anything about this.

[Toasterlad]

41. Only In My Dreams.

[Disturbed]

42. I don't become over joyed when evil people die but I also

don't shed any tears. I don't wish for them to die yet I wouldn't contribute any money to keep them alive. I read an interesting hypothetical question the other day. If your could have assassinated HItler, Stalin, or Pol Pot without getting caught would you have done so?

[Toasterlad]

43. Nope. I Don't Fuck With History.

As bad as things were under those guys, who knows what would have happened if they'd been killed. Maybe I read too many comic books as a kid, but I think it's always a bad idea to try and change history. It NEVER worked out good for Superman (except in the movie - that part was SO lame.)

Meanwhile, as I said above, I'd normally agree with your "don't wish for people to die" stance, but in the case of Phelps, I don't think normal human rules apply. I'm still holding out hope that the members of his clan will turn on each other and finish each other off in some kind of religious frenzy meltdown, or maybe the propane tanks will go on his little shanty o' hate and blast them all to nothingness. That would be sweet.

[Madspirit]

53. k&r....woohoohoo...

Yeah, I hate the hypocrisy under the guise of good manners or decorum or what the fuck ever. Nasty assholes don't become holy saints because they go belly up.
Lee

[shadowknows69]

62. I'd wish Lucifer himself a good journey to his soul

As I silently thanked the Gods for ridding us of such a nusiance. He's your problem now higher powers; good journey Mr. L.

[Gato Moteado]

65. you talking about cheney?

i don't think dirty dick has a soul. never did.

[deutsey]

63. I don't celebrate or feel any joy when one of them dies but

I can't say I feel any sadness either for all the reasons you cite.

[shadowknows69]

64. "Wheel keeps turning Badger"-Mal

"That only matters to those on the rim"-Badger