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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 01:59 AM
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A whispered warning regarding Medicare cutbacks ***important***
A family friend recently attended a meeting for medical center and hospital administrators to update them on upcoming changes in the medicare system. Nothing unusual about this, except that they weren't allowed to take ANYTHING from the meeting whatsoever. No notes, no copies of the handouts they used in the meeting, nothing but their own memories. They were promised packets later. Three months later, they still don't have them. And this is supposedly going into effect in September.

I tried to do a search for anything on these changes to the various plans today and came up more or less empty handed. What information was passed to my wife was VERY disturbing. One of the examples was as follows.

A elderly patient breaks her hip at home and happens to be both a diabetic and a cardiac patient. The medicare will ONLY cover treatment for the hip and will not cover medication for the other conditions. And they are NOT allowed to bring medication into a hospital. This leaves the other conditions untreated, or they have to pay directly out of pocket.

Also, in the case of hip replacement, they are only allowed to remain in the hospital for three days, then they must go to a rehabilitation center and are only covered for three days worth of pain medication following that surgery. Any additional pain medication is also out of pocket.

Also, if the patient signs a DNR order, the surgery is not covered and their first three days in the rehabilitation center is out of pocket.

This is across the board...ALL medicare plans.

Another thing that's already in place with Medicare Plan 'D' is that medication isn't covered and if they have secondary insurance that covers their medication, they can be dropped from Medicare entirely.

Anyone know anything else about this, or have any access to more information that can provide us with some verifiable citations? If this is true, we need to address it and get something done about it. It can't be allowed to stand.

Any help or info would be greatly appreciated.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 02:02 AM
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1. Sounds like the Republicans chose mass suicide.
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 02:04 AM
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2. 'They' a working extra hard to get rid of the old, sick and broke.
There is a special place in Hell for them. I'd rather there'd be a special place on a chain gang for them.

:mad:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 02:09 AM
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5. Yep, they liked it much better when people dropped dead in their late 60's
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 02:09 AM by SoCalDem
BEFORE they collected SS or used medicare.. That's the master plan, probably for us Boomers.. outsource our jobs 12-15 years before we are eligible and hope that we get sick and dies before we can collect.. (especially helpful since politicians stole all the extra money we "pre-paid for our old age".)

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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 02:25 AM
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12. But hey, that's okay, 'they' got theirs and a whole lot of ours. Can
we impeach the whole US government? I'd love that. We are scewn, for sure.

1949er boomer here. And, sorry to say, healthy. Ouch, that must really piss 'em off. LOL
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 02:05 AM
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3. Why don't they just start shooting poor and old people?
It would be more humane.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 02:13 AM
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7. She actually asked this aloud at the meeting...
(sarcastically, of course).

It was NOT well received.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 02:14 AM
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10. She had a point (sarcastically, of course)
These bastards would shout down Ebenezer Scrooge as a soft-hearted liberal.
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:56 AM
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16. Give Gonzo some more time
He just hasn't figured out how to make shooting the poor and elderly legal yet.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 12:34 PM
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24. These guys make Ebenezer Scrooge look like an old softie
They'll probably try to spin murdering the ill and elderly as patriotic.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 02:08 AM
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4. This means more money is freed up to continue spending on the war and national defense.
Less money for people, more money for the war machine.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 02:12 AM
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6. I doubt this would ever get past this Congress.
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 02:12 AM by WinkyDink
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 02:14 AM
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8. What if it was already approved BEFORE this Congress took office?
Sounds like that might indeed be the case.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 02:14 AM
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9. Holy shit.
3 days of pain medication after hip replacement surgery?

That is vile.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 02:15 AM
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11. Wingnuts get off on pain
They'll probably have live cams straight to Dick Cheney's office.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:00 AM
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13. Quote from New York Times Article on this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/02/washington/02budget.html?ex=1184817600&en=d945844cdcc8afd3&ei=5070

One measure of the political difficulty facing the president’s plan for Medicare and Medicaid is that he sought $20 billion less in savings from the two programs last year, when Republicans controlled Congress, and few of those proposals were adopted.

Representative Charles B. Rangel, the New York Democrat who heads the House Ways and Means Committee, said Thursday: “There is a large area for potential compromise and agreement, but with these latest Medicare proposals, the president is just asking for controversy. He still acts as if Republicans were in complete control and Democrats had lost the election.”
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:57 AM
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17. Republicans aren't in complete control?
Coulda fooled me!
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:38 AM
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14. 3 days of pain med after a hip surgery?
Yikes! :scared:
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:43 AM
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15. WTF! "if the patient signs a DNR order, the surgery is not covered and ..."
"if the patient signs a DNR order, the surgery is not covered and their first three days in the rehabilitation center is out of pocket."

For a broken hip?
What is the logic behind that?

Person calls 911:
"Help! I've fallen and can't get up!"
"Sorry, DHS records indicate you've signed a DNR order, since no hospital will take you, we're not sending an ambulance."

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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:59 AM
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18. sounds to me like they're begging us to DEMAND universal healthcare
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:08 AM
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22. AND when The People DEMAND Universal HealthCare,
the Democrats will sell us Mandatory Health Insurance along with taxpayer subsidies for some of the RICHEST CEOs and Corporations in World History.

Think I'm kidding?
Study Hillary/Obama plan for "Universal HealthCare".

DEMAND nothing less than "Single Payer" Universal HealthCare.
So far, Dennis Kucinich is the ONLY candidate offering Single Payer.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:18 AM
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19. Corporate lackeys are culling the Boomer generation. Kill them off by policy.
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 07:18 AM by Skidmore
In another nation we would be jumping up and down and yelling "genocide."
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Princess Turandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:49 AM
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20. A few things..
"A elderly patient breaks her hip at home and happens to be both a diabetic and a cardiac patient. The medicare will ONLY cover treatment for the hip and will not cover medication for the other conditions. And they are NOT allowed to bring medication into a hospital. This leaves the other conditions untreated, or they have to pay directly out of pocket."

Medicare reimburses hospitals for inpatient care based on a number of categories of payment but the main one is called a Diagnostic Related Group.
Each DRG has a weight factor that is multiplied by a base payment to determine the payment for the case. The DRG assignment is based upon a computer calculation that looks at various things like what made the patient come to the hospital, what the problem really was, were there complications during the stay and were there "co-morbidities." The presence of some of those types of things can push the patient into a higher DRG category resulting in a greater payment. What I believe they are trying to is separate out pre-existing comorbidities - diabetes would be one in this case - from specifically defined comorbidities usually acquired in the hospital. It appears that they do not want the impact of some hospital acquired problems factored into the DRG payment. Their argument is that hospitals need incentive to increase quality. Beginning in on 10/01/07 in a rule passed last year, they required hospitals to add information about all conditions upon admission. So,in your example, the fact that the patient was a diebetic upon admission propably entitled the hospital to a somewhat higher payment for the care for her hip. That is not changing and her care won't be affected. What would change is if she developed a new condition while in the hospital. 'Simple pneumonia' would be a classic example. What the proposed rule is saying is that the pneumonia (note: I'm using that as an example not saying that they aren't paying for pneumonia) could not be added to the computer formula which spits out what the hospital will get paid. On the surface, they are saying that this is an incentive to better quality of care. However it is also a disincentive to doctors who might regularly identify some condition or another in the patient records which they know will cause the hospital to earn more money. They appear to be trying to identify a set of specific co-morbidities which they are suspicious of. If this provision was to be included, it would result in the hospital getting less money, not the MD. The condition would be taken care of and covered by whatever Medicare paid them. The coverage issue I believe is between Medicare and the hospital, not the patient.

Part of what I said above is based upon this article, whic is somewhat technical but well written:
http://www.raconline.org/news/news_details.php?news_id=6244

"Also, in the case of hip replacement, they are only allowed to remain in the hospital for three days, then they must go to a rehabilitation center and are only covered for three days worth of pain medication following that surgery. Any additional pain medication is also out of pocket.
"

The only thing that I saw in my limited reading regarding inpatient rehab hospitals is that they changed somewhat how they got paid recently. My first thought when I read what your wrote was that your friend worked at a hospital which was also affiliated with an inpatient rehab unit which was hoping to move the patients out of the acute care setting and into the rehab setting for some financial reason. (Does she work at a for profit hospital?) All medication however while you are in the hospital is generally included in the covered charges. I'm hard pressed to believe that Medicare is telling doctors that they are overriding their med orders with no knowledge of the case.

HTH

PT
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:52 AM
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21. Wouldn't it be more humane to just line us up and shoot us?? nt
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:26 AM
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23. See what they really want is all of us to bankrupt ourselves
on medical care
we need to go to one payer

its easy to fight a one payer

America has dropped to its lowest point in taking care of their OWN
not Iraq not 250 mill to Pakistan

our OWN
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