CIA Officers Angry At Rummy BLEW THE WHISTLE On Prisons In Europe

[kpete]

CIA dissenters aided secret prisons report: author
Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:17AM EDT

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Dissident U.S. intelligence officers angry at former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld helped a European probe uncover details of secret CIA prisons in Europe, the top investigator said on Tuesday.

Swiss Senator Dick Marty, author of a Council of Europe report on the jails, said senior CIA officials disapproved of Rumsfeld's methods in hunting down terrorist suspects, and had agreed to talk to him on condition of anonymity.

"There were huge conflicts between the CIA and Rumsfeld. Many leading figures in the CIA did not accept these methods at all," Marty told European Parliament committees, defending his work against complaints it was based on unnamed sources.

The report issued last month said the Central Intelligence Agency ran secret jails in Poland and Romania, with the complicity of those governments, and transported terrorist suspects across Europe in secret flights.

more at:
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSL1780708920070717?feedType=RSS

[Demeter]

1. The Enemy of Our Enemy Can Be Our Friend

and should be, in constitutional matters!

[shadowknows69]

2. Why am I getting the feeling

that our whole intelligence/military complexes are chock full of psychopaths that like to hurt people, particularly brown people.

"Some of those that work forces. Are the same that burn crosses"
-RATM

[formercia]

9. There are at least two schools of thought.

Having worked on both the intelligence and paramilitary sides of operations, I found that most of the paramilitary types are ex-Navy SEAL, Special Ops or police and have the mind set that the solution to a problem is blow em up or shoot em up. The only way for career advancement is war and black ops. The traditional case officer, on the other hand, is trained to interact with the enemy on a personal level and gain the advantage by non-violent means.

The CIA needs to get out of the paramilitary business. You can't have this bipolar environment and expect things to work smoothly.

[Igel]

I think I'd edit one line you wrote.

"...and gain the advantage only by non-violent means."

[formercia]

23. The line gets blurred

I remember when I went through ops training, the word was among the CTs, that one had to go through the PM course to ensure getting a good assignment.

A lot of knuckledraggers, on the other hand had the personality of a sack of goat shit and were about as smart as a bag of hammers.

[Kolesar]

3. Leakers...the real agents of democracy. They have been keeping the Iran War at bay

By that, I mean that Pentagon leakers have been feeding information to journalist Seymour Hersh as a means of unraveling bush's* plans.

[shadowknows69]

4. Problem is

I'm not even sure it delayed it much. It certainly isn't stopping the drum beat up to it.

[Kolesar]

6. Hersh was predicting a US attack on Iran in May of 2006

We are at least buying time here.

[soothsayer]

7. yes indeedy

[SpiralHawk]

5. Torture is unAmerican and anti-Christian

Why do the BushCo republicons love it so, and tarnish All of America by practicing it wholesale?

Why do republicons HATE all that is good and holy and American?

[atreides1]

8. Because

As long as it's people who worship the "wrong" God, and as long as they are not American it's okay!

Repukes don't hate all that is good and holy and American, they just hate everything that doesn't agree with their intolerant viewpoint.

[hootinholler]

18. Washington set the standard that we treat prisoners humanely.

It worked to our advantage during the Revolution. It would do the same now.

-Hoot

[bobthedrummer]

10. The criminal act of releasing covert/NOC Valerie Plame Wilson's identity

and the bloody blow back to all the networks that actually were involved in anti-nuclear proliferation (especially countering the A.Q. Khan network and former USSR inventory) was likely the final unforgivable act that has led to shining light into the treasonous shadow government and the truth, which was never intended to be known, being told by more and more patriots.

The Decider's criminal administration's political purge of intelligence and military leadership was led by Cheney/Rumsfeld and the Straussians after the installation of unelected George W. Bush into the office of POTUS.

In the real world this is usually called a coup, but, "It Can't Happen Here", yet it certainly did.

[kpete]

11. Fox guest claims CIA 'sabotaging our own War on Terror'

Fox guest claims CIA 'sabotaging our own War on Terror'
David Edwards and Muriel Kane
Published: Tuesday July 17, 2007

Fox News on Tuesday interviewed veteran Pentagon reporter Rowan Scarborough about his "startling allegation" that "elements within the CIA are sabotaging our own War on Terror." Scarborough, a former columnist for the Reverend Sun Myung Moon-owned Washington Times, is the author of Sabotage: America's Enemies Within the CIA, which claims that "CIA bureaucrats are undermining President Bush and the War on Terror through disinformation, incompetence, and outright sabotage."

"The CIA ... is the only agency I know that has a retired group of officers who formed together for the sole purpose of attacking Bush," said Scarborough. "The head of the organization goes around the country giving speeches about how the government did 9/11."

more at:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Fox_CIA_undermining_War_on_Terror_0717.html

[CGowen]

14. Does he mean Ray McGovern? He was only No. 3 or so, I think n/t

[bobthedrummer]

17. You are wrong, Mr. McGovern was a senior analyst that would help brief

officials during his career, he eventually helped to prepare the Presidential Daily Briefing/PDB-but what he and many of his colleagues really did was keep track of and prevent the use of nuclear weapons--nuclear war. Unlike those that want to use them now-those Linton Brooks mini nukes.

Ray McGovern was not #3 or anything of the kind-he was an analyst specializing in the former USSR and he would assist in briefing people.

He has integrity, as do many others that are speaking the truth about the criminals of this installed administration.

But he was never some kind of administrator or policy management person at the CIA.

[CGowen]

19. I was referring to

"The head of the organization goes around the country giving speeches about how the government did 9/11."

and I'm saying that he was not the head of the CIA

[glitch]

20. Not the head of CIA, the head of the 911 truth organization. It's muddled wording. nt

[bobthedrummer]

21. Understood now, thanks for the clarification-he was a founder of VIPS

and going on from there here are some Rumsfeld links

Donald Rumsfeld Source Watch profile
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Donald_Rumsfeld

"Interrogating Donald Rumsfeld" by Karen J. Greenberg and Joshua L. Dratel 1-10-2005
http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/011105V.shtml

Donald Rumsfeld Right Web profile
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1346

The Revolution in Military Affairs/RMA was arguably Rumsfeld's biggest "policy" failure but that wasn't his biggest crime-nor was "force transformation", OSP, OSI or any of the rest-he is a war criminal and a traitor that helped to trash our Constitution that "piece of paper" representing every US citizen and every US military person as well as take US out of recognized treaties and agreements.

[CGowen]

22. I remember him on a radio show with Alex Jones or

a film clip at camp casey where he was referred to as number 3 or so.

I have never seen him coming out clearly for 911 truth, the only statement I ever saw was this

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&b=14&vid=182653&gid=157767

[bobthedrummer]

12. When a group calling itself Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity/VIPS

was formed as a reaction to the crimes of this criminal administration, well duh, what does that really mean???

Btw, here is a recent article by one of the founders of VIPS, Ray McGovern.

It ties together some incidents that took place on Bastille Day 2003, and examines what people like Robert Novak were doing that day. It should be noted that VIPS sent a memo to G. W. Bush calling for the resignation of Richard Cheney that same day.

"July 14, 2003: Ill-Starred Day" by Ray McGovern 7-15-2007
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/14/2534/

[Canuckistanian]

13. I'd like to see the CIA get angry a few MORE times

They've been screwed over big time by this administration.

They should start paying back now.

[Norquist Nemesis]

15. They probably "disagreed' with more than just the prisons

I expect Bush/Cheney/Gonzo are trying to get to the bottom of it and take care of the problem in much the same way they took care of Valerie Plame.

[helderheid]

16. K & R

[bobthedrummer]

24. Filibuster kick

[Gold Metal Flake]

25. OK, CIA...

Give up the jackals.

All of them.

I mean, if you are gonna fuck around, why not do some real damage?

C'mon, you children.

[Disturbed]

26. I am hoping that these members of the CIA that are angry

that V. Plame and Brewster Jennings was exposed and that they will leak the identity of the traitor to the public. I suspect they know who it was and have the info to prove it. I also feel that the Pres knew who it was, as well.

[Gold Metal Flake]

27. But they don't work for the American people.

So I doubt that there is much more than tit for tat that will occur.

They are playing the grand game. Sons of bitches.