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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 08:55 AM
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The Choices Are Not Good, But Impeachment Is the Best Option Now
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The Choices Are Not Good, But Impeachment Is the Best Option Now
Submitted by davidswanson on Tue, 2007-07-17 13:41. Impeachment

By Craig Barnes

In May of this year Mr. Bush issued National Security Directive No. 51, giving to himself power to control executive, legislative, and judicial branches in the event of a catastrophic national emergency. The Directive had an apparently benign rationale and normally one would not take notice. But it is worrisome that Bush declared in Directive #51 that such emergency might include “any incident, regardless of location” that would “damage or disrupt” US population, economy, or government functions.

Such “damage or disruption” need not be in the United States. “Any incident” in some foreign country that would seriously “damage or disrupt” the US economy would therefore give George W. Bush, upon his own initiative, the sole right to declare himself in control of all functions of government. How small an “incident” would be sufficient to equal a “disruption?” How small an incident could damage “the economy?” The Directive does not say.

There is no language in Directive #51 that requires Mr. Bush to obtain consent of Congress before he seizes such power and no acknowledgement that under existing law he is already required to do just that. Directive #51 simply ignores the existing National Emergencies Act and in so doing Mr. Bush authorizes himself—or if he is disabled, the vice president—to control all functions of government for the duration of the emergency and “afterward.”

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Regrettably, the unthinkable now becomes thinkable and raises the question: Would Mr. Cheney exploit the broad language of Presidential Directive #51? Is he, that is, capable of planning first, the Directive itself, and second, a “disruptive,” perhaps foreign, “incident” and then seizing power? No other vice president since Aaron Burr would ever even slightly warrant such suspicion. In Mr. Cheney’s case, National Security Directive No. 51, raises the hackles on a prudent man’s spine.

Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney have shown no reluctance to seek power—or to seize power—since their first massive occupation of the hallways of the county court house in Florida in 2000. To think the best of these two who have so often moved us toward the worst is no longer prudent and may even be naive.

The wise course is therefore now to use the Constitution as the founders intended that it be used and to take the initiative to enforce restraint of those who would act like kings, perhaps before it is too late. For these and other reasons, the movement to impeach them both is gaining ground across the country. It is the work of patriots.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:07 AM
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1. Anything is possible
Anything is possible. If nothing else in life, I've learned that. But I don't think the above scenario is very likely. Possible? Yes.

Before the 2004 election, a good friend of mine confided to me his prediction that Bush would declare martial law and suspend the election. Or that Bush would orchestrate a supposed terrorist attack to halt the election. Neither came to pass. I think some folks on here give too much credit to this guy. I see him as a bumbler. He's incompetent and a liar. But I don't see him or Cheney (who is more of a concern I grant you) being the personification of evil or some dictator wanna-be who is going to try to claim dictatorial powers to remain in office.

I would be willing to bet anyone on here (and give good odds too) that come January 2009, Bush will voluntarily leave office and go back to enjoy life on his ranch, oblivious to the damage he has done, and convinced in his mind that he did his best. I don't think the guy has any interest in remaining in power because the job is so above his talents. I bet he can't wait till he can go home, put on his cowboy clothes, drive his truck, and clear some brush.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:16 AM
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2. Then We'll Know Where to Pick Him Up For the Trials
No, he's not that oblivious, nor that confident that he's getting out with a whole skin. It's panic time all the time in DC. Nothing else explains the dead-in-the-water administration and the ridiculous gaffes of the past 6 weeks.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:18 AM
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3. First off, welcome to DU, DangerDave921! I agree that this
person probably can't wait to head to Crawford, Argentina, or wherever he's going to go.

I differ on the personification of evil characterization; they are both more evil than anyone I've ever seen, because of their lack of morals, integrity, their trampling on the Constitution, American people, soldiers they put in harm's way, and their total lack of caring about all three.
I could go on, but won't. You get my drift. The sooner they're gone, the better, imo.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:43 AM
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9. Thanks!
Thanks for the welcome. I admit I don't follow a whole lot of politic details, but Bush has always struck me as a total doofus. Not a bad guy, not evil -- just a total doofus. I guess that's why I don't subscribe to him any greater nefarious goals. Maybe I'm wrong. He just strikes me as a lying incompetent guy who somehow lucked into a job. That's why I disregard him for the most part. To me he is laughable, not a cause for concern. I don't think he's smart enough to plan anything so evil as trying to take over the world. He can't even run one country!

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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 10:35 AM
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4. Directive 51 May be the Reason for No Impeachment
It may be too late already.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:16 AM
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6. That specifically should be a reason to call him on his BS. IMO. nt
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:15 AM
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5. When will Conyers act on the Harriet Miers "no show?" Without
"Inherent Contempt" we aren't going to get any impeachment. I hope his silence is due to some heavy meetings about strategy. Seems the Moyers piece on Impeachment didn't have long legs either. After a few comments on the Liberal Blogs...it seems to have died.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:16 AM
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7. Dennis Kucinich has an impeachment res going to judiciary committee
when?
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:17 AM
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8. According to Directive No. 51, impeachment......
may be reason enough for them to take control!
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