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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 12:49 PM
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Some of you have it ALL WRONG on Vitter
The man's diaper fetish does not disqualify him from holding office. Not even hiring protitutes disqualified him from holding office - regardless of what Vitter himself may have claimed about other people before. Vitter was WRONG and so are those on DU claiming the man is unfit for office because of his diaper fetish.

A better use of our time would be sending him pictures of our happy, non traditional families. Every gay couple who's raising children should be contacting him with a sincere letter asking him to reconsider his stance against gay marriage. We need to be sending him sincere letters about the sanctity of ALL long term relationships and not just traditional marriages.

This could absolutely be a learning experience for Vitter and I wish more would see this opportunity. I know humiliating him is a lot of fun, but it's not productive toward achieving an important goal.

Just my 2 cents.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 12:51 PM
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1. Perhaps, BUT shaming this hypocrite out of office does more
for the people you referenced. It also makes Holy Joementum irrelevant, and it make us all smile to think of one more rightwing hypocrite slinking off to the hinterlands :)
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 12:52 PM
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2. "What he said. Right on." - RDDL*
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 12:54 PM by SpiralHawk
"Be a good republicon, and get your diapers on." - RDDL

*Republicon Diaper Defense League
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 12:53 PM
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3. Every picture of a happy gay family will be met with disdain.
Because the Bible says so, yada yada yada.

Please believe me, there are none so blind as those who will not see. This right-wing religious crowd is truly not salvageable on this point. What we must do is gain enough of a majority that their talibornistic ways do not become law.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 12:55 PM
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4. Engaging a prostitute is illegal albeit a misdemeanor
And now people are beginning to investigate if the prostitute(s) were paid for by lobbyists. So there are serious and legitimate questions about his public service.

His hypocrisy and his wife's are galling and worthy of scrutiny and derision, imo.

Their attitude of yesterday showed me that they have learned nothing and maintain that they deserve different treatment than they like to dish out.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 12:55 PM
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5. So what do you put in your coffee
I need some of that, to have such a rosy outlook on the world. :)

Hypocrites. They don't care about you. They will never care about you. They hold on to their religious beliefs, forgive themselves, and move on. See Tom Delay.

I'm not keen on humiliating people just for the kicks of it. But this guy advocates destroying lives by imprisoning people for the exact same behavior he is engaged in. That's a special kind of sonfoabitch who deserves every bit of public embarrassment he gets. I advocate paying somebody to follow him around with a bag of pampers for the next 20 years.

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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 01:06 PM
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16. You are right
I do have a difficult time giving up on people! :)


Rosemary has a rosy outlook -- haha :)
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 02:23 PM
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23. Have I told you lately
just how much :yourock: ?

Consider yourself told.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 12:56 PM
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6. he'll never change his stance
a leopard cannot change its spots. He thinks what he did is excusable because he is a big repuke senator, he has the same godlike-emporer complex GW has, it has spread through their party over the last 25 years or so. It's the "do as I say, not as I do, little peon" complex that all these neocon assholes posess.

Fuck him, we need to ride his ass out on a rail if we can!!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 12:56 PM
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7. Wouldn't it be GREAT to be able to tell Lieberman to KISS OUR ASSES???
I think so. :bounce: We wouldn't have to put up with his bullshit anymore. He could go caucus with the repukes which is what he really wants to do anyway.

Getting rid of Vitter, gets rid of Joe. That's more than worth the effort to humiliate his ass out of office.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 12:57 PM
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8. The Vitters of this world don't learn and don't want to
Those two smugly stood up at a podium yesterday and claimed the moral high ground though they slimed their way into politics by publicly trashing an entire family and sneering at anybody who doesn't subscribe to their brand of Xtian hate.

Anyone capable of redemption would have stood up yesterday and begged Bill and Hillary's and Chelsea's forgiveness for their past hatred towards them, but they didn't. They'd say the same things about them again if they had a chance or any credibility left. Let's just thank whatever cosmic force at work that they are now laughingstocks, and hopefully soon-to-be ex-Senatorial laughingstocks.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 01:00 PM
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9. "You cannot awaken someone who is pretending to be asleep".
Your picture-sending idea would not be a better use of our time.
It wouldn't teach him anything, because his current "ignorance"
is just an act.

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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 01:00 PM
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10. I could send him a picture of my wife and I
Two wacky liberals, a total of 36 years of military service to our country, happily married for more then 30 years, no adultery or hypocrisy from us, just a voting record for all democrats each and every election. We are so fucking evil.

I apologize for not being as fucking pure as all the fucking christian conservatives in our country.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 01:00 PM
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11. He is UNFIT for office because of his HYPOCRISY...
it has nothing to do with his fetish.

You can try the pic campaign but I highly doubt it will sink in with him. Did you think he looked like a man learning a lesson and becoming more tolerant of others at his press conference? They were blaming the media ffs, playing victim. He won't change his religious, hypocritical ways as long as he clings to his bible and hides behind it and his god.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 02:22 PM
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22. He is also a LAWMAKER who broke the law. He should be impeached.
That would be a starting bone to toss, anyway--warm up the galleries!!! And it's a slam dunk if we can get the affadavits of the diapering prostitutes--to say nothing of which lobbyists may have actually PAID for the services of the lobbyists, if he didn't pay them himself.

The testimony might be fun, too, if they permit live testimony on the Senate Floor. "I call WENDY CORTEZ to the stand.....!!!!!"

He'd resign first. As he should.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 02:28 PM
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25. YES! He also broke the law. I guess I take that for granted these days
when talking about repubs.

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 01:03 PM
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12. I'm not sure what important...
goal we are trying to achieve by allowing politicians to act one way, while they advocate passing laws that would make it illegal for the masses to act in like manner. Obviously their heart isn't in it, so the goal must be something else...like maybe divide and conquer? They love to talk the talk, but aren't so enamored with walking the walk.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 01:05 PM
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13. Since shame is all repukes know, humiliation is a powerful weapon against them.
We are not just dealing with hypocrites; we are dealing with sociopaths.



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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 01:06 PM
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14. I agree with you. But it's up to his constituents to decide if they think his kinks
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 01:07 PM by BurtWorm
disqualify him, of course. I would be inclined to disqualify him for being a hypocrite, myself. (Although if being a hypocrite disqualified a person from being a politician, there would be no politicians.)
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 01:06 PM
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15. Memories Of Wilbur Mills...
He was a powerful Democratic Congressman brought down by hooker Fannie Foxx in the 70's. He tried to ride out the scandal and became a walking punchline for his remaining days (not many) in the House.

Vitter has been his own worst enemy in this scandal. His hypocrisies aside, his hiding for a week while the story festered and then having his beleagured wife go out and defend him shows a lot about the man's true backbone and character. It's like how he ran and hid behind this regime's coat-tails while people drowned in NOLA during Katrina. This is a coward...an empty suit.

Now how many people have been arrested for what Vitter has done? How many women have sat silently like Vitter's wife and didn't have the knowledge that his holding onto power is more important to her than her own marriage? Yes...it is humiliating...for the people of Louisiana!!!
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 01:20 PM
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17. He's disqualified because he's a smug, superior, lying, hypocritical
hatemonger. The prostitute thing and the diaper fetish are just fabulous reasons to mock him.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 01:30 PM
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18. Hasn't Vitter left himself wide open for blackmail?
I know the right wing brought out that meme time and again regarding Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton. Now, you don't hear it at all. If Vitter is getting his phone number in the black book of several escort services, if he's even taking calls from prostitutes on the Senate floor, and if he's engaging in extremely odd behavior like diaper-wearing, hasn't he put himself in a position where he could be blackmailed? Hasn't he encouraged a scenario that might threaten to compromise his vote or even force him to turn over sensitive information to which he is privy as Senator if someone were to have had the "goods" on him? That alone should warrant an ethics investigation regarding his own telephone records and his bank records by his fellow members of the Senate.
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 02:12 PM
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19. Well not any more. n/t
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 02:37 PM
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26. Well, if no further details come out and he survives this
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 02:40 PM by aint_no_life_nowhere
and if no witnesses corroborate the diaper fetish business. As I've understood it, a diaper fetish was just one of the perversions in which he's indulged himself. The New Orleans madame hinted that there were other examples of bizarre sexual behavior.
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:14 PM
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29. doesn't really matter what else there is.
He's too tainted to be of any use, and there's too great a risk of your handle being lost or pulled from your hands.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 02:18 PM
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20. Well, I'd hardly say that a nontraditional family is the "opposite" of Vitter.
A nontraditional family is a family, really. Most families, nowadays, are "nontraditional." One parent, or grandparents raising or helping to raise kids, or same sex couples, whatever. The Mom, Dad, Beaver, Wally paradigm is no more.

I really don't think trying to prove anything to a guy who cheerfully breaks the law, as if it doesn't apply to him, to satisfy his own goofy urges, is a good use of your time. But that's just me. You aren't going to convince someone who has the the brazenness to try to play a victim card because he was caught breaking laws by procuring prostitutes and engaging in a fetishist behavior, AND used his wife as a shield, to boot.

And as for that lawbreaking, I really don't think a guy who is tasked with MAKING our laws, but who breaks them routinely as though they don't apply to him, IS a good candidate to remain a Senator. As a voter, a lawmaker who breaks laws IS disqualified, in my mind, from being a viable office holder. He's bringing disgrace upon his office, and he should be impeached if he does not resign. IMO.

You just aren't gonna convince that guy with pictures and kind words and heartfelt sentiments in letters. To him, people in nontraditional families are the perverts--not HIM! To think that his being caught in a diaper will somehow change his heart is a bridge too far, I'm afraid.

He's not humiliated at all, either--he's playing the Martyr to the Liberal Media. And quite frankly, why should you bother, why should you waste your time? Because that's what you would be doing. His mind will not be changed, and his hypocrisy and faux outrage can never hold a candle to anyone living caring and authentic lives.
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 02:19 PM
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21. That would definitely be taking the high road. I guess it's not too late. n/t
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 02:24 PM
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24. We need to keep the stink stirred up and the louder the better.
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 02:27 PM by Hubert Flottz
Soon, if we keep the heat up on this story, the other GOPers will want to put some very serious distance between themselves and this fake do-gooder.

The man is a liar and a hypocrite. Can the Filth Based GOP afford to continue to support him knowing that they are all about to lose their plastic wind up "Moral High-ground, as November of 2008 draws nearer every day?" The GOP is PRAYING for real that this will just die out and go away and it will if they and their pet media get their way.

Attack Keyboarders!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:00 PM
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27. Vitter said that the New Orleans madame is a liar.
He made a big mistake with that announcement. She and Larry Flynt will step up their expose' on him now. Vitter said that Bill Clinton was unfit for the office. Vitter must now resign if he stands by the condemnation of Bill Clinton.

Of course, the Repugs now say that Vitter's situation is a private matter and that he should stay in office. They don't want to lose a Repug in the Senate. I suspect that he will remain unless more misconduct verification becomes public.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:09 PM
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28. honestly rosemary you have it all wrong on vitter, this dude's a sociopath

sincere letters of learning? you simply don't understand the nature of the sociopathic mind

this man can't empathize or care for others, life is a power game he plays and we are merely the pawns

sociopaths do not respond to empathy nor do they truly experience much in the way of normal feelings of embarrassment, he has to be made to feel that there are consequences to his actions, writing a nice serious letter that will be tossed aside by an aide...come on, he does not care

keeping the pressure on that we don't want admitted whoremongers voting on laws that affect families...that at least has SOME chance

louisiana voters deserve better, and by the way he won't respect you for your nice sincere letters, he will laugh at you, for that's the reality of the sociopath, it's all about how they got it away with it -- and make no mistake, as long as he's seated in that senate, he has gotten away with it, sociopaths are not much bothered by normal feelings of shame




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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:16 PM
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30. Are you shitting me?
Do you really think Vitter's going to stop being a bigot if we just send him pictures of our happy non-traditional families?

Or were you being sarcastic?
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