Bull-runner can't visit 10-year-old son

[The Straight Story]

Bull-runner can't visit 10-year-old son

By AMANDA RIVKIN
Associated Press Writer


MADRID, Spain (AP) -- A Spanish judge has revoked the parental visitation rights of a man who took his 10-year-old son running with the bulls in Pamplona.

Spanish television last week captured images of the boy smiling as he ran ahead of a pack of charging bulls with his father, Luis Miguel Gomez.

The images angered Pamplona city officials - and the man's ex-wife. They were from the same running in which Lawrence and Michael Lenahan, brothers from Westlake, Ohio, were gored simultaneously in an accident-filled event that also injured 11 others. Since records began in 1924, 13 people have been killed in the runs. The last fatality, a 22-year-old American, was gored to death in 1995.

According to Pamplona regulations, runners in the San Fermin festival must be 18 years old.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/R/RUNNING_OF_THE_BULLS_OHOL-?SITE=WBNSTV&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

[DS1]

1. You must be at least this tall to run this ride

[Kali]

2. only 13 dead in over 80 years?

that isn't as bad as I though it was. What year did Hemingway write about it?

[achtung_circus]

5. Hey

The Sun Also Rises was published in 1927.

[Kali]

6. Hey!

:hi:

If they really want to test their machos, they should get between an old wild brahma-longhorn cross cow and her newborn :rofl:

[achtung_circus]

40. My scariest moments

were processing newborn calves in the back of a pickuptruck. One person drove, the other needled, tagged and dipped the calf, the Angus cows tried to climb into the box of the truck and kill you.



"heads-up" they are.

BTW I'm still working on skunks.

[Kali]

44. what is that green stuff?

It looks vaguely familiar. :rofl:

cool on the skunk! thanks. I remembered to latch the screen doors the last few nights and put the cat food up on the clothes washer, but I am bound to forget again, soon.

[achtung_circus]

54. The green stuff is weeds.

Pay no attention to it, just count your blessings that you don't have to contend with rampant vegetation.

[Occulus]

7. Yeah, that's actually a pretty good track record

I didn't realize the number was so low; this seems like such a massively dangerous thing to do...

I wonder how many people have died climbing mountains in the past 80 years...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. I think it's one of those things...

that looks far more dangerous than it is, and the people who do get hurt are the really drunken ones that get way too close.

[gilpo]

15. 13 dead humans....

....thousands of dead bulls

[flvegan]

65. Oh no you di'nt.

Those animals don't count. It's about entertainment, so fuck them.

[Richard Steele]

3. That sounds like a wise decision from the judge.

That guy doesn't sound like anyone who should
be overseeing children.

[Horse with no Name]

4. But on the other hand Dick

Is it really any different than taking a kid to a Monster Truck rally? Or Nascar event? Skydiving? White River rafting?
Wasn't there some type of racecar event a month or two that they were having a burn-out and several kids were killed?
I don't advocate any of it personally, but what is fair is fair.:shrug:

[Gold Metal Flake]

9. Sure, sitting up in the stands away from the cars behind huge fences...

...and huge barriers at a NASCAR event is just like putting your 10 year old child directly in the path of a herd or rampaging bulls in a confined area filled with people so that his paths of escape are impeded and telling him to run for his life.

:eyes:

[Lex]

12. Exactly.

Wow, sometimes the analogies here are frightening.

[Gold Metal Flake]

34. They are just trying to redefine the argument to something easier for them.

It's an old trick. It's heard in RW radio hundreds of times a day. But this is clear. A man put his 10 year old boy in a crowded street with high walls in front of a herd of rampaging bulls. Pretty fucking simple case of negligence, and it was against the local law. Don't have to be Fellini to figure this one out.

[Horse with no Name]

47. You speak from experience I see.

:eyes:I'm sure you're VERY well versed in "this old trick". Not surprising at all.

[Gold Metal Flake]

51. Yes.

I caught you, didn't I? :hi:

[Horse with no Name]

52. If you are insinuating that I am a freeper

Then you can go Cheney yourself.

[Gold Metal Flake]

53. LOL!

Whatever.

[Lex]

10. None of those things have wild animals with horns running straight at you.

They might all have some degree of safety issues, even riding in a car does, but the bulls are running at the runners and will to gore them.

Big difference.

[Kali]

43. actually I think they are all just running in the same direction

Judging by the stats quoted above I would bet the bulls only occasionally go AT the runners - I know from personal experience with wild cattle that it is rare that an animal will attack if it has any other choice. It usually takes some cause such as being cornered and provoked to get a bull to come at you.

[gatorboy]

11. I heard Running with the Nascars was a COMPLETE disaster.

:P


Remind me to post some of the photos later of the folks that were gored at this year's Running. There's one guy that gets a horn in the leg that's a must see!

[Lex]

13. Yeah let's put some kids on the track and see if the drivers

can run over them. :P

[Chovexani]

63. I wish that would become popular

It'd go a long way towards culling the herd, so to speak. :spank:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

16. Teh dumb. It hurts. Make it stop.

[Richard Steele]

32. Yeah, I think it is.

Taking the kid to WATCH the "Running of the Bulls"
would be equivalent to taking him to a monster truck show.

This was more equivalent to making the kid run across the
arena, dodging the monster trucks. And I'd support anyone
who did THAT losing their "custodial rights" as well.

Those drag-racing accident deaths were caused by a car
losing control and flying into the crowd. That's an event
which, although "possible", is undesired and unexpected.
It was not done on purpose.

A Pomplona bull chasing a runner, and attempting to harm him,
is just the opposite of "undesired and unexpected"- it's the
entire POINT of that event.

I think that's a really big difference.

[Maddy McCall]

38. It's a lot different.

At monster truck rallies, kids don't run in front of charging trucks on the floor of the arena.

At Nascar events, kids aren't allowed to play frogger on the track.

When you skydive, you have a parachute and you go through training before your first jump.

White water rafting is usually guided by a trained rafter, and kids have a lifejacket, helmet, and other safety gear.

The event your talking about, where the drag racer ran off the road and killed several people, was a parade for a charity organization in which the cars were part of the parade. Unfortunately, the driver decided to show his ass by burning his tires. which, if I remember correctly, had been prohibited. (At a local Christmas parade last year, a fool decided to burn his rear tire on his cafe racer and lost control, and the bike shot off into the crowd and injured an old lady. Idiots like this shouldn't be allowed in parades--no teens on cafe racers should be.)

The running of the bulls has no protections for the runners. At all. You're put in what amounts to a chute with raging bulls, and you HOPE you don't get gored or stomped. There are no guides, no protective equipment, no lifelines. It's waaaay too dangerous for children to be participants.


I don't think that the father should lose custody over allowing his son to run the bulls, but I do think that he should be much more careful in chosing the adrenaline-altering events he allows his son to participate in, from now on.


:)

[A HERETIC I AM]

46. The event you are thinking of was a charity car show/parade in Selmer, TN

in which 6 people died, all teenagers or young men. The youngest killed was 15 (2 15 year olds) and the oldest was 22.

http://www.kristv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6671205&nav=Bsmh

The incident was an accident, the first of any kind in the 18 year history of the event.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. Which is more harmful?

Running with the bulls and not getting hurt? Or being taken away from your father?

[Gold Metal Flake]

14. Depends.

How many other fucked-up things has his father exposed him to? How many other fucked-up things would his father expose him to in the future?

[Lex]

17. Having a father who'll drop you in front of charging bulls.

nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. It's more harmful? Really?

Because doesn't say in the article that the kid was hurt at all at the bull run.

[Gold Metal Flake]

20. Sure, because the ends justify the means.

Every Republican knows that.

[BlooInBloo]

22. Ah yes. The fabled "all's well that ends well" theory of negligence.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. So I'll ask again...

which is going to harm him more? Running with the bulls and not getting harmed, or taking his dad away?

[BlooInBloo]

36. It's a cute attempt to stack the deck, but really, only an idiot would fall for it...

Either of the following questions is fair:

Which is going to harm him more? Running with the bulls and not getting harmed, or taking his dad away and not getting harmed?

OR

Which is going to harm him more? Running with the bulls, or taking his dad away?


It's unfortunate you couldn't see your way to asking a relevant question.

[Lex]

24. So let's say the father set the house on fire while the child was in it.

But the child managed to get out safely anyway.

Would it MATTER if the child wasn't hurt?

It's about the father's JUDGEMENT. You seriously don't understand that?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

26. Let's say the father took the kid to an amusement park.

Didn't some kids feet get chopped off at an amusement park recently? Better call DHS.

[Lex]

28. Yeah, and kids die in car wrecks everyday too.

Seriously, your analogy skills are um . . . interesting.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

31. So then you're saying kids who ride in cars have abusive parents?

[Lex]

33. LOL!

nt

[Gold Metal Flake]

29. No, let's say the father deliberately put the child in front of a heard of rampaging bulls.

I see no reason why the truth is not sufficient here.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

30. Well, he did that.

And like the thousands of other people that were there, he didn't get hurt.

"I see no reason why the truth is not sufficient here."

I agree.

[Gold Metal Flake]

35. Sure, because the ends justify the means.

Every Republican knows that.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

37. Heh. Ends and means.

Yes, let's certainly harm the kid by taking his father away, because there was a remote possibility at one point that he might have could have gotten hurt but didn't.

[Gold Metal Flake]

39. Sure, because only wussies care about the physical safety of children.

Right?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

49. Wussies don't apply.

I really don't think people that care about the child would take the dad away because he took him to a bull run.

[Gold Metal Flake]

50. I think people that care about the child took him away from a father...

...who deliberately placed the child in front of a stampeding herd of enraged bulls.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

56. I don't.

[Gold Metal Flake]

57. Put you down on the pro child-endangerment list.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

58. I've already got you on the list.

[Gold Metal Flake]

59. LOL!

Throw any kids in front of a herd of rampaging bulls lately?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

60. Take any kids away from their parents lately?

[Gold Metal Flake]

61. No. But I have no problem with this decision.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

62. Exactly.

Taking the kid away from the dad is far worse than taking the kid to the bull run. It's cruel, vindicitive, and stupid.

And you've got no problem with it.

[Gold Metal Flake]

64. I understand how you, someone who is pro child endangerment, would feel...

...that taking a child away from someone who would deliberately endanger him, like throwing him in front of a herd or rampaging bulls for example, would feel that way. I'm sure that the fact that the child was not gored or trampled distresses you. And I am also sure, after all of these posts, that you are very disappointed that the "father" will not have any further opportunities to endanger the child in the future. But don't worry my little hooligan, there are many, many children all over this country and the world being abused and endangered by their parents right now. I am sure you will take comfort in that thought.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

66. Heh.

"But don't worry my little hooligan, there are many, many children all over this country and the world being abused and endangered by their parents right now."

And I'm sure you can pretend to care about those kids because it will stroke your ego too.

[Gold Metal Flake]

67. I understand how someone who cares so little for the safety of children...

...would feel that way. Still, I do not approve of those who are pro child-endagerment such as you. You may continue to post, but you will not shake the impression of yourself that you have left in this thread.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

68. Yes, I know you don't approve of me.

You approve the pro child-endangerment people such as yourself.

"You may continue to post, but you will not shake the impression of yourself that you have left in this thread."

That's fine with me. I've got nothing to be ashamed of.

[Gold Metal Flake]

69. Still supporting throwing children in front of rampaging bulls, I see.

You are just angry the child was not killed.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

70. Still supporting broken families I see.

You are just angry because you know I'm right, and can't admit it.

[Gold Metal Flake]

71. You are just angry the child was not killed.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

72. You're just angry somebody else was having fun.

[Gold Metal Flake]

73. You are just angry the child was not killed.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

75. OK, I admit it.

The kid kept interrupting my flight attendant.

[Gold Metal Flake]

76. You are just angry the child was not killed.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

77. It's true.

The crumbsnatcher ruined by dinner at Cracker Barrel.

[Gold Metal Flake]

78. You are just angry the child was not killed.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

79. You've got it.

The shitling wouldn't stay off my lawn.

[Gold Metal Flake]

80. You are just angry the child was not killed.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

81. I confess.

The anklebiter got into my stash.

[Gold Metal Flake]

82. You are just angry the child was not killed.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

83. Mmhmm.

The loindroppings ruined my online D&D game.

[Gold Metal Flake]

84. You are just angry the child was not killed.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

85. You got it.

The ballfruit is getting between me and a steak sandwich.

[Gold Metal Flake]

86. You are just angry the child was not killed.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

87. You nailed me.

The boobleech learned it by watching me, alright? He learned it from watching me.

[Gold Metal Flake]

88. You are just angry the child was not killed.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

89. Where do I sign the confession?

I'm in your pamplonas, gorelling and tramping your fuck trophies.

[Gold Metal Flake]

90. You are just angry the child was not killed.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

91. Well I am now.

The crotchdumpling made me run out of euphemisms.

[Gold Metal Flake]

92. You are just angry the child was not killed.

[Gold Metal Flake]

19. C'mon, Luis Miguel Gomez is only practicing Libertarian child rearing.

Ron Paul would approve.

[Lex]

27. I think Darwin is constantly vindicated too.

:)

[SoCalDem]

21. Good for the judge

until that guy gets some parenting classes, he should be prevented.

[Evoman]

41. I say good for the dad. Kids need character, and there is no better way of doing that

then throwing the brat in front of some bulls.

When I was a kid, bulls would chase us to and from school, uphills both ways. If you didn't lose one finger a day, you were called lucky and fed to a hippo. And thats the way we liked it.

[Gold Metal Flake]

42. .

:toast:

[Kali]

45. 10 seems a little young to me

but then I see kids doing things at young ages in other cultures I would never let mine do. I think I would trust the judge on this because he probably knows more background.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were kids raised in that area around those animals and those events that would be pretty much capable of handiling the run. Probably the stumbling drunk tourists are more danger than the actual run. But maybe they should have a separate kids' run, with yearlings or something like they have mutton-busting for the little kids at rodeos here.

[LisaL]

74. Kids bull run? Oh give me a break.

The rules say the runners have to be 18 to participate in the bull run.
Add to this that according to the article father told officials he wanted to participate in other bull runs with his kid, and I think the judge did the right thing by revoking his visitation rights.

[Kali]

93. I confess I didn't read the whole article, but I did say I thought the judge was

probably making the best most informed decision. I agree with you.

[A HERETIC I AM]

48. For sale ad from Pamplona; "Digital Camera for sale, only used once"

Sorry...this thread needed a little yuk yuk

[gatorboy]

55. Nothing to see here folks but fun for the entire family.

If only grams could've made it.

And here's the kid:



Run Forrest!