***Official Filibuster thread 11*** Harkin is on

[nadinbrzezinski]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1363685&mesg_id=1363685

Link to thread 10

[LSK]

1. Harkin remembers Vietnam, refuting what Colburn said

when he said millions will die if we leave.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. What difference can two months make?

Senator you are right...

[SeattleGirl]

3. Hehe. Harkin talking about what Bush will do in September. "Cherry

pick" the report.

You got that right, Senator!

[FogerRox]

4. Harkin sounds like a DEM to me, much better than Coburn >cough

At present I listened to most of the comments made by my friend from Oklahoma and i think he asked some good questions things we have to consider what will happen when we leave. sen talked about moral obligations we have. i wonder what moral obligations we had back in teh 1980s when then-rumsfeld visited hussein. what resp. did we have when we supported hussein GAVE HIM WEAPONS AND INFO in war against iran. what was our obligation that time.

and then we hear about what will happen when we leave. bloodbath. i can remember vietnam, and i can remember the same things. 'oh if we leave vietnam, fight then there, fight them here. phillipines next. stop them there. if we leave bloodbath. all of the people who supporters us will be slaughtered in teh streets.'

well, didn't happen. here today in vietnam we have diplomatic relations. (blah blah) cruise ships now dock in saigon, americans take cruise ships over there. visit vietnam go to beaches. look back, think about 50,000+ Americans who died over there and you wonder what was that all about. what was that moral obligation all about.

so again we have to learn from the past, we know the spectre is always raised. big calamities will happen if we don't follow what the president wants. well, the president's not often right. this president and his colleagues here couldn't be more wrong about our course in iraq.

so i have come to teh floor on behalf of iowans (calling, emailing) overwhelming against war in iraw as have americans elsewhere -- 71% favor removing all troops from iraq by april 1 of next year.) the American troops are sick of seeing our brave men and women killed in what has increasingly become a civil war in iraq. they want to chart a new path out.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Harkin is amazing

and he also has email buddies.

And damn it... I remember pleading with the Hawaii delegation NOT to get us into this mess!

And my god those words, if my husband was killed over there... my god, it reads like one of my letters

[FogerRox]

6. WE have invaded a country based on lies

My Senator (Menendez) recently said that, BUSH LIED....

[Cameron27]

7. These letters are so sad

the republican party's led this country into frustration and despair.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. I know, Republicans are smarmy little critters

[knowledgeispwr]

9. Very sad.

I'm glad he's reading them though. I'm also very glad that the Dems arranged this overnight session. I may have to get up at 5AM just to see how the senators look after 4 hour naps (at the most).

[Kool Kitty]

12. Yes, into frustration and despair and DANGER.

Thanks, Dubya and all your enablers and puppets and lapdogs (tip of the hat to Mr. Tony Blair). May you all rot in your own personal hell.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Unlike you have somebody fighting in Iraq... fucking amen

I am with you lady... and I hope your son comes home, mostly complete

[MrMickeysMom]

14. Who will condense this for public consumption?

I mean, besides Randi Rhodes?

I'm hoping it gets air time. Night after night.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Sadly, you watched history, but het corporate press is still

consumed by oh Paris Hilton?

(on a side note, she voted for president last year... we now know where some of the 2004 missing votes went to, 2006... thank you Paris) :sarcasm:

[SeattleGirl]

11. Why are they (Republicans) so afraid?

Good question, Senator.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Very good question indeed

[Nevernose]

15. If you're afraid, you hate America!

"Seriously consider our views and voices..." I don't need to hear the response...

[MrMickeysMom]

19. Fear is a terrible thing...

:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

(the "other" isle)

[FogerRox]

16. simple upper down vote

[SeattleGirl]

18. I love it that many of the Dems speaking tonight have been using that

phrase. God knows, the Pubs used it enough.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. John Thune

prepare yourselves for BS, of industrial caliber

[SeattleGirl]

21. I know this may make me look bad, but I just cannot watch the Pukes.

I just cannot listen to the talking points over and over and over again.

I'm very proud of the Dems tonight, though, I must say. They have been throwing the talking points back in the faces of the Pukes.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. I have to give it to him, he's used the talking points WELL

[shadowknows69]

24. The Dems are keeping equipment from the troops ploy

Like the republicans kept them well supplied when they were in power. What scum.

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. Anybody in the military knows the true score

as well as military families, so his lies, come down like water over a duck

[ticapnews]

29. I was at the dedication of the McGovern Library in Mitchell, SD last fall and Thune

was a bastard during his speech. His summation of McGovern was that the only good thing he'd ever done was fight in WW2. Everything else was a waste.

Even that idiot Mike Rounds managed to say a few nice things about Senator McGovern.

[LSK]

22. I am getting sleepy

:(

[aaronbees]

25. Harkin was masterful and touching - Thune is....

sounding like a blustery brat who completely misses the point.

[Kool Kitty]

32. Thune is a horse's ass.

[aaronbees]

49. He's pulling out the big words now....

AQI? Al Queda Iraq? Is this CSI gee-whiz terminology? Sounds like he's reading from cue cards produced straight from PNAC's gaping, gasping maw. And he has no understanding of what the job of the legislature really is. Jackass indeed.

[me b zola]

122. More like Cheese Wiz terminology

It is totally fake and will rot you from the inside out if you ingest it. However, with enough advertising the masses will eat it up and demand nothing less(more).

[LSK]

26. Afghanistan is the good war because THATS WHERE BIN LADIN IS

:grr: :grr: :grr:

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. Bin Ladin is in ahem Pakistan

god these guys are incredible, and we had a chance to get him at Tora Bora

[LSK]

40. I hear you can take a bus unhindered between the 2 countries

He probably has a limo escort taking him back and forth.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. Or burro

for when we have the UAVs flying...

Anyhow I don't think they will kill Mr. Goldstein any time soon

[robinlynne]

54. or walk.

[FogerRox]

27. Thune is a physco

[Kool Kitty]

28. Thune the Goon is up.

Now he's going to read the whole Defense Appropriations bill. He says that is what this is about. He says that we should be concerned about passing this bill. He says that it will help arm and protect our soldiers. Will someone ask him why they still don't have enough body armor or armored HumVees? He says this is about good and evil and Al Queda. They still don't have the right equipment, asshole.

[thecrow]

55. How did he get so tan working in the Senate?

And hasn't he heard the news that armoring up the MRAPs make the vehicle too heavy to move?
Oh and he thumps the Iraq Approprations bill as if it were a Bible... and he says $80 million for this and $120 billion for that...
" THIS IS WHAT IT"S ALL ABOUT! "
Yeah well duh, dude. If we had concentrated our efforts, troops and money in AFGHANISTAN and done OBL and his ilk in, we wouldn't have resurgent Taleban, OBL wouldn't have escaped from Tora Bora, and relocated in Pakistan.

AQ in Iraq? That was our doing.

Thune... what a tool.

[Ediacara]

31. The GOP line that Thune is paroting, about a global terrorist network remind me of James Bond plots

From the Moore era.

[SeattleGirl]

35. Maybe that's where they got them. n/t

[Ediacara]

33. Aparently Homeland is pronounced as "homelin" now

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Has he read the NIE? And most importantly UNDERSTOOD

it?

Moron Al Qaida in Iraq is our creation... MORON

[knowledgeispwr]

36. "Afghanistan is a good war because we have fewer casualties there"....

WOAH. I haven't heard that one before.

[Ediacara]

38. ARGH! It's NOT the same al qaida

[MrMickeysMom]

45. Shhhhhhh !.... These mutants don't want you to know that!

[cui bono]

39. Thune completely misses the point of what is the difference between

the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war.

"Ugh... Iraq war bad... grunt... Afghanistan war good... grunt, grunt... me want woman...ugh... they're killing us in Iraq, that's why it's bad... grunt, grunt... clean my cave woman!... grunt, grunt..."

[MrMickeysMom]

41. How many can you YOU count outta this brain dead Thune?

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:


Al Qaeda! Al Qaeda! Al Qaeda! Al Qaeda! Al Qaeda! Al Qaeda! Al Qaeda!
Al Qaeda!Al Qaeda! Al Qaeda! Al Qaeda! Al Qaeda! Al Qaeda! Al Qaeda!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. every sixty seconds or so

hey at least he has not spoken of iraq defeat bill

[Kool Kitty]

44. Looks like someone was a good boy and

memorized all his GOP talking points today. If all he is going to do is read, make him sit down. We can read all this horseshit, too. I'd rather hear a debate than a have a "read-aloud" exercise. Oh, sorry-he just said that his support for the war is NOT open-ended. And he is just reading from his talking points crib sheet. Every time he loses his place, he stumbles, looks down at his paper and gets right back on message.

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. Ah publicity stunt... why is it that I am not surprised

is this close to ten minutes for this idiot

[LSK]

46. he watches FOXNEWS

:rofl:

[MrMickeysMom]

50. And, he used to smoke doobies in college...

Someone should roll him a fatty now. He's lost it.

[Kool Kitty]

57. Of course he does.

He's obviously stupid enough. And his whole rap so far sounds just like any of the Fox News talking heads.

[MrMickeysMom]

62. This is an example of "dumbing down" and throwing money at Senate seat

This is what you get.

[Kool Kitty]

97. Makes you proud to be an American, doesn't it?

Listening to that blustering fool. What a waste of oxygen he is.

[MrMickeysMom]

47. EXPLAIN "SUCCEED", YOU DERANGED NINCOMPOOP!

[SeattleGirl]

When the Iraqi's stand up, we'll stand down........

Oh, fuck, never mind.

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. Increase the size of the army and marine corp

they have been missing recruitment numbers left and right... so what now? A draft? (which I know will fully wake up the folks that voted for this idiot but that is another matter)

[Kool Kitty]

52. You want to increase the size of the Army and the

Marine corps? Sign up, Johnny. You still look young and able-bodied enough. Why don't you bunch of c**ts try taking care of the troops that you have?

[cui bono]

56. We should all call his office and leave a message telling him to sign up.

:rofl:

[nadinbrzezinski]

58. A yellow ribbons with elephants come to mind

as well as oh Chickenhawks

[SeattleGirl]

60. Ooooh, I like it!

And get his fax number, and fax enlistment papers to it.

[cui bono]

69. I just did it!

I called and told him I look forward to his press conference tomorrow when he announces that he's resigning from the senate to join the military.

:rofl:

[FogerRox]

53. Harkin gets off the senate floor and posts @ Kos with his U tube vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctc-1FCYFck

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/18/12557/4643

[MrMickeysMom]

59. Thanks for that... some Senators communicate with "the people"

[cui bono]

61. Good for him! Rate it up guys! n/t

[LSK]

68. post it in the video forum please

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. Oh he also got email buddies

and that sounds like... astroturf

[LSK]

64. Oh No!! Its crazy McCain!!!

Hes asking Thume to go to the market with him.

[MrMickeysMom]

71. Shell Shocked, PTSD'd and just plain NUTS thowing bombs at 30,000 feet

That's John!

BTW, he won't invade his wife's treasury. No, he's going to drop out the same way he let those bombs out.... when nobody notices...

[MrMickeysMom]

65. You know, this guy IS a goon

Thune is a joke. How DO you get to be in a position like this and be this uninformed?

WHAT a fucking joke he is!

[nadinbrzezinski]

66. He's done... I hope, McCain looks oh tired

[Hepburn]

67. McCain........

.......:puke:

What a complete waste of protoplasm.

[nadinbrzezinski]

70. They are setting the ground for... the troops could have won it

but the politicians betrayed them... LIKE Vietnam

[LSK]

72. Jim Webb is now getting into it with Thume

:popcorn:

[nadinbrzezinski]

75. I talk with military personnel all the time

you asshat so does Web, his son is one!

[Bluebear]

73. Thune: "I talk to the military all the time!" - - i don't believe him. nt

[Cameron27]

74. Webb's up,

Thune's calling him a liar.

Webb is furious!

[cui bono]

76. Thune to Webb: "reclaiming my time"

You're asking too many questions I don't know the answer to... WAAAAAAAHHH!!!

[MrMickeysMom]

79. You're cluttering up our halls of congress, Thume

[cui bono]

84. I just left him a message saying since he wants a bigger military and is

the right age and looks able bodied that I look forward to his press conference tomorrow announcing his resignation from the senate because he's joining the military.

:rofl:

[Bluerthanblue]

77. You Go Sen. Webb!!!

call this jerk out -

[Ediacara]

78. Thune has no idea what the political views of the soldiers are

Edit: woops

[cui bono]

80. phew! lol. n/t

[Cameron27]

81. Oh please give Webb the floor

nope, Maria Cantwell.

[Bluerthanblue]

85. thune brags he's been to Iraq-

wasn't Sen. Webb's son there as a SOLDIER?

And hasn't Va. lost a heck of lot of soldiers????

Thune is a fool-

[cui bono]

88. I so want to see Webb!

[Kool Kitty]

82. Webb interrupted Thune the Goon

and Thune takes exception. Thune knows better because he got a letter from a Marine. Now Thune is yielding. Thank whatever deity would be appropriate here.

[Bluebear]

87. PS, what does it matter what political make-up the troops are, Thune?

They are not setting this nation's military policy with their majority vote.

[goodgd_yall]

83. A democrat from Washington---

Got to be good.

[SeattleGirl]

86. Cantwell isn't as popular here as Murray is.

She supported some things that a lot of us weren't happy with, but I'll give her a lot of leeway here, and listen to what she has to say.

[MrMickeysMom]

89. She must be the Jr Senator?

[SeattleGirl]

90. Yes, she is.

[some guy]

93. Good for her

The first Senator to raise PSAs.

:applause:

[Ediacara]

91. Cantwell talking about oil profiteering

And how she didn't believe it at first

[Cameron27]

92. uh oh, the problem of oil...

getting to the heart of the beast now.

[SeattleGirl]

94. Yup.

[LSK]

95. Maria Cantwell rejecting calls to privatize Iraqi oil

[SeattleGirl]

96. We are sending the wrong message to the Iraqi's.

Damn skippy, we are!

[Bluebear]

98. Olympia Snowe . . . come on over, Olympia. We'd love to have you.

You know you want to.

[SeattleGirl]

100. I know this is a bit frivolous, but she kind of reminds me of a young

LadyBird Johnson.

[MrMickeysMom]

106. interesting... Lady Bird's elder daughter Linda Bird is very favors her mim

[MrMickeysMom]

109. I can't type tonight (this morning).. wonder why?

[MrMickeysMom]

101. Pressure's on...

[Ediacara]

99. Snowe is up - will she follow through or cave to Cheney?

[Cameron27]

102. I think she'll follow through

[Kool Kitty]

103. Good question.

And this is slightly off-topic, but doesn't Snowe look like Maria Callas? Just a little? Please let her be strong and do the right thing.

[SeattleGirl]

105. She does! I just posted that I thought she looked like a young LadyBird.

But she DOES look somewhat like Callas.

[Swamp Rat]

119. Check it out:

:hi:

:D

[goodgd_yall]

110. She does look like Callas. n/t

[Swamp Rat]

117. Which is the real Carmen?

:D

[Swamp Rat]

104. Grrr!

If she doesn't obey she may end up someplace unpleasant. :hide:

[SeattleGirl]

108. Hey Swampy! Love your graphic!

:hi:

[MrMickeysMom]

Are you going to wait until Vitter to post that diaper graphic?

It was great...

[goodgd_yall]

112. Ooops meant to link it here---she's with us! n/t

[goodgd_yall]

107. She's with us! n/t

[Bluebear]

111. Pro-choice, pro gay-rights, I would love to see a (D) by her name.

Snowe is a member of The Republican Main Street Partnership and supports stem cell research. She is also a member of Republicans for Environmental Protection, the Republican Majority for Choice, Republicans for Choice and The Wish List (Women In the Senate and House), a group of Pro-Choice Republican Women.

[goodgd_yall]

114. It's because she's from Maine. Real independent thinkers. n/t

[SeattleGirl]

115. Hey, I know! Let's swap her for Joementum!

I think we'd get the better end of the deal!

[Ediacara]

113. "The enemy of my enemy is also my enemy"

She's saying that the Anbar model won't necessarily work elsewhere.

[LSK]

116. can John Kerry be next please

please please please?

Im about to go to bed.

[SeattleGirl]

118. That would be nice.

I also wish Barack was speaking earlier than 3:00 am my time. I'm getting sleepy.

[LSK]

120. new thread up

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1364465

Mods please lock.

[ticapnews]

121. Snowe is a co-sponsor of the bill. She had to follow through.

She talks a good game, but usually votes the wrong way when it matters. Tonight she came through. Kudos to her.