OMG.....it's absolutely insane having so many fricken

[cboy4]

buildings so close to the runway where that plane crashed in Brazil.

Especially since there's no room for error on that relatively short runway.

Look how close everything is!--------->


How sad. :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6903837.stm

[lvx35]

1. Wow, yeah that is insane a lot of people would be alive if there was just a field there.

Might be an interesting educational experience for the 9/11 planes-hitting-buildings ameteur engineer crowd though.

[Swamp Rat]

8. São Paulo is huge

approx. 20 million people crammed into what is growing into a megapolis. There is another airport further out (Guarulhos Int.), and it would surprise me if a third is in the works.

They would have to knock down a lot of buildings to add a field to Congonhas now, displacing about 9,000 people, just to extend one end of the runway. Double that for the other side.

[Nay]

11. It is indeed. I've flown out of that airport on a domestic flight, and it

scared me to death how close in all the buildings were. I'm so happy I flew on a clear day.

[Swamp Rat]

2. The runway was under construction.

They were going to add a surface layer at the end of this week which prevents it from being too slick when it rains. :(

Tadinhos! :cry:

[Bluebear]

3. "We feel sorry for confirming the names of the passengers who were on board of the flight:"

http://www.taminforma.com.br/imprensa.aspx?id=1424

How horrible . . .

ADELAIDE MOURA

ALANIS ANDRADE

ALEJANDRO CAMOZZI

ALEXANDRE GOES

ANA CAROLINA CUNHA

ANDERSON CASSEL

ANDRE DONA

ANDREA SEICZKOWSKI

ANGELA HAENSEL

ANTONIO CARLOS ARAUJO DE SOUZA

ARNALDO BATISTA RAMOS

ARTHUR QUEIROZ

ATILIO SASSA BILIBIO

BRUNA DE VILLI CHACCUR

BRUNO FERRAZ

BRUNO NASCIMENTO

CAIO FELIPE CUNHA

CARLA FIORATTI

CARLOS ALBERTO ANDRIOTTI

CARLOS ROCKEMBACK

CARMEN LUISA VICTORIA FONSECA

CATILENE OLIVEIRA

CHRISTINE SOUZA

CIRO NUMADA

CLAUDEMIR ARRIERO

DECIO TEVOLA

DEMETRIO TRAVESSA

DENILSON LOPES COSTA

DEOLINDA MAGALY VICTOR FONSECA

DOUGLAS TEIXEIRA

EDMUNDO SMITH

EDUARDO MANCIA

ELCITA RAMOS

ELENILZE FERRAZ

ELIANE DORNELLES

ELIDA DEMBINSKI

EMERSON FREITAG

ENRICO SHIOHARA

ESIO FREITAS

FABIANA AMARAL

FABIANE RUZANTE

FABIANO ROSITO MATOS

FABIO BALSELLS

FABIO MARQUES

FABIO VELLOZA

FATIMA SANTIAGO

FELIPE FRATEZI

FERNANDO ANTONIO LARO OLIVEIRA

FERNANDO MARQUES

FERNANDO PESSOA

GABRIEL CORREIA PEDROSA

GILMAR TENORIO ROCHA

GOTTFRIED TAGLOEHNER

GUILHERME MORAES

GUILHERME PEREIRA

GUSTAVO MARTINS

HELOIZA HELENA LOPES

HEURICO TOMITA

INES MARIA KLEINOWSKI

IVALINO BONATO

IVANALDO CUNHA

JAMILLE LEAO

JANUS SILVA

JAQUELINE DIAS

JOAO BRITO

JOAO CALTABIANO

JOAO VALMIR

JOSE A FLORES AMARAL

JOSÉ LIMA LUZ

JOSÉ PINTO

JULIA CAMARGO

JULIA ELIZABETE GOMES

JULIO CESAR REDECKER

KATIA ESCOBAR

KATIANE LIMA

JOSE CARLOS PIERUCETTI

LARISSA FERRAZ

LEILA MARIA OLIVEIRA DOS SANTOS

LEVI LEÃO

LINA BARBOSA CASSOL

LISIANE SCHUBERT

LUCAS PALOMINO MATTEDI

LUCIANA SIQUEIRA LANA ANGELIS

LUIS SCHNEIDER

LUIZ BARUFFALDI

LUIZ LUZ

MARCELO MARTHE

MARCELO PALMIERI

MARCELO PEDREIRA

MARCELO STELZER

MARCIO ALEXANDRE DE MORAES

MARCO ANTONIO DA SILVA

MARIA ELIZABETE CABALLERO

MARIA ISABEL GOMES

MARIANA PEREIRA

MARIANA SELL

MARIO GOMES

MARLI PEDRO SANTOS

MARTA ALMEIDA

MELISSA ANDRADE

MERY VIEIRA

MIRTES SUDA

NADIA MOYSES

NADJA SOCZECK

NELLY PRIEBE

PAULO CASSIANO FELIZA OLIVEIRA

PAULO PAVI

PAULO ROGERIO AMORETTY SOUZA

PAULO SILVEIRA

PEDRO ABREU

PEDRO AUGUSTO CALTABIANO

JOSE CARLOS DE OLIVEIRA

PRISCILA BERTOLDI SILVA

RAQUEL WARMILING

REBECA HADDAD

REMY MOLLER

RENAN KLUG RIBEIRO

RENATO RIBEIRO

RENATO SOARES

RICHARD SALLES CANFIELD

ROBERTO GAVIOLI

RODRIGO BENACHIO

RODRIGO PRADO

RODRIGO SOUZA MOREALE

ROGERIO LAURENTIS

ROGERIO SATO

ROSANGELA MARIA DE AVIL SEVERO

ROSPIERRE VILHENA

SANDRO SCHUBERT

SERGIO FREITAS

SILVAN STUMPF

SILVANIA REGINA DE AVILA ALVES

SILVANO ALMEIDA

SILVIA GRUNEWALD

SONIA MACHADO

SORAYA CHARARA

SUELI FLECK

SUELY FONSECA

THAIS SCOTT

VALDEMARINA SOUZA

VALDIR CORDEIRO DE MORAES

VANDA UEDA

VILMA KLUG

VITACIR PALUDO

ZENILDA SANTOS

CAIO AUGUSTO BUENO DAL PRATA
RAFAELA BUENO DAL PRATA

RICARDO ALMEIDA

MARCIO ANDRADE

CASSIO VIEIRA SERVULO DA CUNHA

AKIO IWASAKI

ANDREI MELO

CLOVE MENDONÇA JUNIOR

JANUS SILVA

ROBERTO WILSON WEISS JUNIOR

SIMONE WETRUPP

NELSON WIEBBELLING

RUBEM WIETHAEUPER

PAULA MASSERAN DE ARRUDA XAVIER

LUIZ ZACCHINI

CARLOS ZANOTTO

[Bluebear]

4. It looks like about 25 on the ground were also killed.....

The Sao Paulo fire department said at least 200 people, including some on the ground, were dead at the scene.

Fiery plane crash at Sao Paulo airport kills at least 200

SAO PAULO, Brazil (CNN) -- Heavy black smoke poured into the air and bright orange flames lit the night sky in Sao Paulo after a passenger plane skidded across a road and crashed into a building Tuesday. At least 200 people were killed.

A TAM Airlines Airbus 320 carrying 176 people crashed while attempting to land in heavy rain at Sao Paulo's Congonhas Airport, the airline said.

The Sao Paulo fire department said at least 200 people, including some on the ground, were dead at the scene.

[kineneb]

5. looks kind of like the San Diego airport

Hubby jokes that one could walk out on a wing and order a hamburger while the plane is coming in... I also gather that the Hong Kong airport is much the same- right in the middle of things.

[cboy4]

9. Reminds me a little more of the Burbank airport, where another

gas station is near the runway.



2000 crash @ Burbank involving Southwest.

[regnaD kciN]

17. The old Hong Kong airport (Kai Tak) was an insane place to land...

Imagine siting JFK right in the middle of Central Park, and you still would have a lot more distance from buildings than Kai Tak. It closed a couple of years ago, and the new airport is farther out.

Agreed about Lindbergh Field in San Diego, though. I've flown into that place many times, and each time it felt like we were certain to hit a building on final approach.

[Breeze54]

6. Reminds me of Chelsea, MA.!

They built and are building runways right next to neighborhoods!

Approaching Boston's Logan airport.


But not to minimize that it's really a terrible thing that happened there. :(

[rsmith6621]

7. Dont Forget Chicago Midway

nt

[cboy4]

10. YUP.

Thursday, Dec. 8, 2005


A Southwest Airlines Boeing 737 rests at the intersection
of West 55th Street and Central Ave., after it skidded off
the runway while trying to land in heavy snow in Chicago,





By CARLA K. JOHNSON
Associated Press Writer

A jetliner trying to land in heavy snow slid off a runway, crashed through a fence and slid into a busy street, hitting one vehicle and pinning another beneath it.

A 6-year-old boy in one of the vehicles was killed, authorities said. He was among eight people hurt on the ground. Two passengers on the plane suffered minor injuries, Aviation Department spokeswoman Wendy Abrams said.

Southwest Airlines Flight 1248 from Baltimore was landing at Midway International Airport with 98 passengers and five crew around 7:15 Thursday night when it slid through the fence.

The airport area had 7 inches of snow, but Abrams said runway conditions at the time were acceptable.

[malaise]

14. What's nuts is attempting to land in these city airports

in bad weather. Put simply the airlines' bottom line is given more weight than the lives of those on aircraft or living nearby.

This is a horrible tragedy. :cry: :cry:

[Zywiec]

12. Anbody ever flown into the old Hong Kong airport?

You flew so close to buildings, you could see people in their apartments. It was nuts.

It's closed now, but was quite a thrill ride.

[cboy4]

13. I know! That was an accident waiting to happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGnokcAu0c4

[Zywiec]

15. Thanks for the video

I guess I should have known with youtube there is a video of everything. The first time I landed there I wasn't aware of how low and close we'd fly. It was amazing from a window seat.

[cboy4]

16. U'r welcome

:)

[MonkeyFunk]

18. yeah

I did once. It was amazing.

Yeah, I remember seeing people in their apartments - very bizarre.

[regnaD kciN]

19. Another crazy place to land...

...is Princess Juliana Airport in St. Maartin. Not because there are any buildings, but because there's so little space for a runway that planes have to come in only about thirty feet over the fence at the end of the airport. One unexpected downdraft, and you'd tear off your gear on the fence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k53tMD43PDA

[EFerrari]

20. When you land at DFW, it's just as bad. It looks like you're

merging onto the freeway. :shrug:

[regnaD kciN]

21. And, of course...

...there was one major, and tragic, incident back in 1985 when a Delta L-1011 came down short of the runway. Many fatalities, including Phillip Estridge, the inventor of the (IBM) PC.

[krispos42]

22. Often times the cities move to encircle the airports

What used to be wilderness with a runway turns into a suburb with a runway.

And of course, all the suburbanites continually bitch about the noise.

But look at Minneapolis-St. Paul Airport. It's in Bloomington, immediately adjacent to the new Ikea store and a little place called the Mall of America. I was at Ikea on Sunday and my kid and I stood at a window and watched the planes fly past, level with us, before touching down on the runway.

If one of those 757s or A320s plows into the MoA... ooch. 40 million people visit there annually, or about 100,000 per day on average. It employs 12,000 people, too, so you're looking at twice the occupancy of the Twin Towers.

But back to my point... the airfield has been there since the early 1920s. The MoA was built in 1992. The Ikea store was I think 2005. So the creep is pretty rampant.