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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:12 AM
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I could live with any of them
I can probably cite half a dozen reasons why Hillary isn't my first choice as Democratic nominee. I won't. They've been debated ad nauseum around here and, frankly, what would be the point?

It seems to me that the strongest criticism aimed at Obama from this direction is his lack of experience. Looked at one way, that's not necessarily a bad thing. He'd be bringing something new to the table as far as a fresh perspective. Assuming he chose his advisors correctly, he could really turn out well.

Edwards is my favorite of the front runners, but he's not doing so good. I don't know why. Maybe it's because he seems too slick to some people. He seems, to me, to be sincere in his wish to alleviate poverty in this country, and to strengthen the middle class in the process. Certainly a worthwhile cause.

Kucinich is, as they say, sucking hind tit. I think he's got a lot of good thoughts, but he hasn't managed to make any kind of connection with those answering the polls, for what that's worth.

I don't know much about Richardson, who's apparently poised to unseat Edwards from third place but, you know, it doesn't really matter.

If either of the two front-runners get the nod, and fight their way past the arguably pathetic crop of Republican hopefuls, it's going to be a watershed moment for the United States Presidency. A woman or a mixed-race President.

Okay, I realize that both of them are pretty Centrist, damn near Republican Lite. Or, at least, that's what we're seeing out of them at this juncture, simply because part of the whole thing is trying to appear as universally acceptable as possible.

We can hope, anyway.

As far as Edwards being slick. Well, the Big Dawg is slick. REALLY slick. But he has a way about him that transcends that. For most folks, anyway.

I can't help but feel that if everything goes the way it's looking, any one of the most likely candidates can run and win, and America will be better for it.

That's why I don't get embroiled in the tooth-and-nail candidate debates that sweep through here on a regular basis. At this point all I really care about is getting the FUCK out of Krazy Klown Town. I don't really give a damn who's driving the bus.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:34 AM
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1. Will we get out of crazy town clown town? That's the question.
Here's Hillary. Saying all the right things about energy and global warming, and I generally feel like I like her. But the seeming irrationality of having Bill Clinton's wife after that sex scandal, plus the creepy Bush I - Clinton I - Bush II - Clinton II dynasty thing makes it seem radically out of our control, the sense is that lots of lip service will be played on things like gay issues and health care but nothing will actually get done. The troops will stay in Iraq and something will happen to have us ending up in Iran.

Obama. I like him a lot, he seems most charismatic to me, and I enjoy his common sense rational speaking, and the sense that he's also a spiritual person as well. Draws me to him. But on the other hand, this guy (whose name sounds like Iraq Hussien Osama)came out of NOWHERE. Who is he really, and who's pulling his strings? The schizophrenic conspiracy theorist in me most fears him, because at least Hillary was a Clinton, so I know it won't be THAT bad, but Obama is a big unknown.

Edwards, the guy with the pure heart. He's doomed. His wife comes down with cancer right as he starts running, and he runs on addressing poverty. Aren't you at least supposed to wink and nod at the ruling wealthy elite before talking about wealth in the hands of the starving? Plus the guy ruins his southern cred by being too handsome. He needs to get some Bedhead or something so he looks more southern.

Kucinich, the guy with the clear ideas. He's also doomed. He comes across as the "guy who can say anything because he has absolutely no fucking chance", and seems antagonist to the front runners, who actually project power. The sense is that if we nominated him that power behind Clinton would be used against him.

Biden, the moderate guy. Doomed. He carefully avoided the mistakes of Kucinich in attacking the front runners, and now therefore looks like such an ass kisser that nobody can ever imagine him leading the nation.

Richardson. Comes across as a good solid guy, fearless. Say Didn't he play a part on the sopranos? Doomed.

So that leaves Hillary and Obama, dominating the race. The reason they can blast the other candidates is because they are so plugged in to the existing power structure that nobody else has a chance. And that to me doesn't suggest that a lot of change will occur.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:38 AM
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2. I worry about that a little,
but the fact is that we could elect a rabid chimpanzee (or would that be ANOTHER rabid chimpanzee?) and we'd be in far better shape than we are with George W. Bush and Dick Cheney in the White House.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:10 AM
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3. some people made an argument a little bit like that in 2004
It went: even a cow pie will beat Bush in 2004, so let's nominate the most progressive candidate we can.

I have a long dislike of Hillary. I did not like the way she was handed the Senate seat of New York, a state where she had never lived. But I went to her website and looked around and she sounded fairly progressive, at least there was nothing there that immediately outraged me.

Obama is still a turn off to me. I really do not like his whole 'we need to be bipartisan' theme. As if we have not been trying to compromise with right wing lunatics for decades. I still prefer Edwards, but if it is down to two, would take Clinton over Obama.
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lazer47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:44 AM
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4. The MSM are not giving Edwards face time except in the
negative, it is still early in this race, and I think you will see John Edwards begin to show a lot more popularity than the MSM wants to admit, remember the MSM is trying to sell the publis what they want us to buy, which is not always the truth
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:59 AM
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5. Your last paragraph EARNED you this K and R.... !!!!! NT
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