I don't have a single friend

[Laura PourMeADrink]

Democratic, that is, who likes Hillary. The Republicans I know absolutely positively despise
her. I haven't seen any overwelming support here.

Now, I'm not saying I have tons of friends, but it's all relative, isn't it? Who the heck
is supporting her in such strong numbers?

[Catch22Dem]

1. Good question (n/t)

[Guaranteed]

2. I dunno. But, surprisingly, she even has some supporters on DU. nt

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. I know, there are people here who like her - "Not that there's

anything wrong with that." But every poll I see here, she's barely in single digits.

Are we here so on the fringe of our party? So off the radar?

[rzemanfl]

3. What do your friends think about Al Gore? n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. I would have to say almost everyone I know would vote for

him - no contest. In fact I did a poll here and he overwelmingly led.

It's really sad that he choses not to get in - he won once and he's
even better now. He'd surely win in a landslide - at least lead
enough to cover the fraud spread. Plus, the added bonus - we'd
start on the to save our planet !

[rzemanfl]

28. Gore could win from his front porch with this slogan:

"It's not an election, it's restitution."

[lutefisk]

45. Or maybe even "Reconstruction: the Sequel"..n/t

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

4. She's The Best Chance The Repubs Have Probably

It will make for the "horserace" and close election, the media wants in 2008. They don't want a landslide, they want it to come down to a state or two.

Hillary is the best chance for this, and would give the repubs a fighting chance.

The LAST thing they want is Al Gore, because he would probably win by a significant margin, were he to run.

[pitohui]

13. well the trouble w. that theory is al gore had his shot, he blew it

i live in the south, in louisiana and spend a lot of time in mississippi, plus have friends from arkansas, so maybe it's inevitable that i hear things differently from you

my impression is -- bill is a winner, and hillary will be a winner

al gore screwed up when he distanced himself from bill over monica hysteria, he let the race get neck and neck, allowing the dark side to cheat

there are whackjobs who don't like hillary no question but the same whacks don't like al gore any better

[merh]

63. That's not what I hear in the south.

Your opinion is your's and not at all reflective of all of the states you referenced.

Most folks I know can't stand HRC and don't have many kind things to say about bill.

:hi:

[Clark2008]

76. I am also in the South and agree with your assessment.

I don't know a soul who likes her either.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

14. Media? How about the Repuke Fraud Machine ! They have

to have a close race that they can fix with anyone questioning it.

[liberal N proud]

6. THE MEDIA tells us that we like her

We are all controlled by what the media wants us to think.

It's kind of like 1984 only they use the whole media to tell us what we think.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

16. I believe that. But - what about the polls? Every on of them

would have to bogus and fixed. Yikes - if there's a conspiracy that broad - we're doomed.

[me b zola]

79. My theory

I believe that most voters identify with a political party but aren't particuarly informed on what the heck is going on. That is why name recognition is so important.

That's what HRC, imo, has going for her: uniformed Democratic voters who recognize her name.

[Cha]

29. Like Green Day sings in American Idiot..

Don't want to be an American idiot.
Don't want a nation under the new media
And can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mind fuck America.

That song should get a mass revival..cause we need it!

[DutchLiberal]

43. But I don't get this logic:

The media's telling us we like her best, and *therefore* we vote for her.

Huh???

[Reader Rabbit]

7. My friends who like her only get their info from the MSM.

As far as they know, no one else is running for the Democratic nom except some guy whose last name starts with an "O."

:sarcasm:

[pitohui]

8. she's well liked in arkansas and nearby states

for instance in a casino in tunica, mississippi, which attracts a large crowd from tennessee and sometimes a few from arkansas, you can easily get a discussion going and find a ton of people who support her and will say things similar to bartcop of "i miss bill" and that sort of thing, i have listened in on that sort of talk

i think she is viewed as a reasonable person which would be something of a relief after the last few years...

[slackmaster]

9. I think my psycho stalker nurse ex-girlfriend likes her

She spends too much time around kids and crazy people.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. She stalks psychos? Interesting.

[slackmaster]

38. She threatened to have me committed

Under Section 5150 of California's Welfare and Institutions Code.

I thought she was joking at first, but it became apparent she had something in common with that bad nurse in the movie Misery.

[EFerrari]

72. LOL!

:rofl:

[proud2BlibKansan]

10. Just a bunch of Duers

But I don't know ANYONE who supports her. Everyone I know can't stand her.

[Faux pas]

12. None of my friends like her, either do I. All my friends are libs,

don't know no thugs. :)

[pitohui]

17. well i know plenty of thugs and they are fiercely afraid of her!

you don't spend that much time slamming and smearing someone because you think they're a loser, that's for damsure

[Laura PourMeADrink]

You may be right. But my inlaws hated her long before it was cool

They despise both Hil and Bill to the core without ulterior motives.

[Faux pas]

37. I think it's all a smoke screen, they get a conservative in charge

with or without her. Just MHO, and you know what they say about O's. :)

[Marr]

50. The right is dying to run against Hillary.

The smearing and slamming is why. The right-wing base despises her, and that hatred is the only thing that could motivate them at this point.

[Raine]

77. "Reverse psychology"

that's what I think their little game is, trying to make us think they are afraid of her but they know she will be the easiest for them to beat.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

15. her husband was president

but for that,...maybe she would have a better chance,...or not

i dunno

[HysteryDiagnosis]

18. Al Qaida?? Perhaps they've been sneaking across the borders

since they are open, and skewing the polls just for fun..... kidding of course.

[Marr]

20. Neither do I. In fact, the only people I know that've been hyping the Hillary

campaign are dyed-in-the-wool Bush fans. They desperately want their candidate to run against her.

[Sanctified]

21. I think she will be the next President.

She may not be the most qualified but she will definitely win the election. My republican friends think Hillary will win also, it's there belief that the republican party is so damaged there is no way a republican candidate could beat her unless a major scandal was announced as an October surprise.

[RiverStone]

22. I've asked that question many times...

Even on DU straw polls, she is usually in the 5-7 spot.

I also have no DEM friends who support her; I've often wondered if this is just another case of the tail wagging the dog with the MSM filtering and/or promoting all those polls that put her 12-15% ahead of 2nd place Obama. State to state she runs differently - I know Edwards is strong in Iowa, Obama in S.C.

Her funding machine has very deep corporate pockets --- also check out Sicko to see who else she gets $$$ from!

Either we on DU live in an alternative universe, or HRC support is being overplayed by the media. I am as baffled as you by the "who" that support her???

[otohara]

23. If She's The Candidate, I'll Support Her

Dems will step up to the plate when Nov. 8th rolls around. Excitement will build and we will rally round Hill. I think those who hate her will take into consideration that The Bigdog will be there, advising her.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. Same here.

I have no idea what anybody likes about her.

[trashcanistanista]

32. I know only one person who wants a Clinton/Obama

ticket. I am in various Dem clubs and only one! I sometimes wonder if there is a secret PR campaign to lead us to believe she is so popular to change minds. I don't see how she gets those poll numbers.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

54. I agree with that theory.

I think of this every time somebody says they support Hillary:

[jgraz]

25. The polls just show that a large portion of the public aren't paying attention yet

[sandnsea]

26. Old men like her

Those are the only ones I know of, some old men in their 70's. Boomers and young people are all for Obama or Edwards around here.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

36. I think you may have something there. Haven't seen any

democratic demographic on it. I have to say, if she does win, it will be
pure joy to listen to Rush have a conniption fit

[tammywammy]

27. Neither do I.

No one I personally know supports Hillary. Well, this one republican that I work for wants her to run, only because he thinks she'll loose horribly to whoever the GOP puts up.

The main support for Hillary that I ever see is here on DU. :shrug:

[RiverStone]

30. I believe more folks want Bill as First Gentleman, then HRC as Pres.

Without Bill --- there would be no Hillary for President campaign.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

31. I Know Plenty. I Was Surprised Just Today When The Union Shop Steward Said He Loved Her.

Gave her his full support. This is someone who I talk to frequently about political stuff and he's definitely a democrat. I have informed him of many things about the current administration/republicans and he's always quite receptive. He's very smart and sees through the rw bullshit. But he loves Hillary. I know quite a few dems who support her fully.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

39. I love that,...hearing something like that.

I do.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

41. So it may be the "traditional" Democrats?

[sandnsea]

51. More older men

Well dang. Now what is up with that.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

55. Older Men? What Are You Talking About?

Do you enjoy just making things up out of thin air?

[sandnsea]

64. Yes absolutely

Actually, I forgot who I was talking to or I would definitely not have bothered.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

65. Why Are You Getting Snippy? You're The One Who Just Made Things Up Recklessly.

I posted about a coworker and you responded by saying he was an older man. You got that from where now? You made that assumption based on what now? You're offended because I told you that you made it up out of thin air why now?

Jesus. Some people here get stranger and stranger. :crazy:

[sandnsea]

67. shop stewards are usually older

Thanks so much for your rational reply which would have sounded something like "oh, he's just in his 20's so it must be something else" - instead of YOUR snippy response to a very innocent post based on my own observations of the age of Hillary's male supporters. YOU, you were the asshole here.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

68. You Assumed Recklessly Because You Read With A Closed Mind.

You wanted to bolster your premise and rushed to a conclusion and responded with almost bitter sarcasm. Not only wasn't it called for, but it wasn't accurate either.

So please, spare me your ridiculous outrage at my having asked why you make things up out of thin air. You're the one guilty of the wild assumption and closed minded initial retort. Don't be so uppity cause you got called on it.

And since you seem to want to preach to others how they should've responded to things, how bout looking in the mirror. Maybe a "I've noticed that most of them seem to be older men. Is he an older man too?" would've been a bit more tactful and less foolish. :hi:

[sandnsea]

73. "more older men" OMG THE HORROR!!!

What an awful thing I said!!!!

You're back on ignore where I should have left you a long time ago.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

74. Didn't Say It Was Awful. You're The One With The Overreacting Snippiness LOL

[Evoman]

80. Dude, I think you need to calm down.

She (he?) wasn't being snippy. I think a more adequate response would have been to say "no, he isn't old". I mean, its not like there is anything wrong with older men liking hillary. Or assuming a shop steward is an older man (which, seriously, like 99 percent of the time they are).

[emilyg]

33. My friends and I are supporting her

[Raine]

34. Beats me...I personally don't know

a single person who supports her. :shrug:

[KoKo]

35. MEDIA gives Hillary the BIG MO! They either want Clinton back for another try...to trash him

or the Corporate Whores who Run the Media, do.

And...there are lot's of DU'ers who still stand by Clinton. I used to be one of them until I saw how his administration led to the HELL we are living in...and then I didn't really want to DO DYNASTY.

But...I can understand how many might still have nostalgia for Clinton just as there are those Repugs who think Ronnie Reagan is a Saint.

It depends sometimes on one's "age group" and political awareness ...about the Clintons...:-( Sad...because I would have loved to have kept loving him...but I TURNED seeing what came after him that he helped. :cry:

[Laura PourMeADrink]

40. What do you mean? That he let DimSon steal it in 2004? nt

[KoKo]

42. "wink ...wink....nod...nod......! n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

52. Yup. Bill's too brilliant to not be able to figure it out. Hell, they

say he slept in law school and the professor would wake him up and
ask him a question and he would answer it correctly.

And you know after running himself, twice, he had probably had the
demographics and numbers of every precinct stored in his head.

I betcha the both of them figured it out immediately and used it
to their advantage - she, to realize her dream to be prez - he,
to keep her happy, maybe repay her in some way, and also to give
him a chance to relive his presidency.

[nolabels]

44. Same thing here, I don't have any single friends either

They are all married too :shrug:

Many here predicted this was going to be case quite of few months ago. The corporate controlled media will either have to back off or risk getting more egg in their face.

I am betting on egg in the face, but we shall see

[Laura PourMeADrink]

47. cute. so they're just banking on people voting for her just because

everyone else is? (so they think). If you were fixing things - I imagine that might
swing some votes - "vote for the winner" theory. But not a tremendous number. Trouble
is, there is no real super star below her - unless Obama studies every day and every
night - his lack of depth is apparent to me - but that's my humble opinion. Edwards?
Don't think so. If he was going to get a groundswell, he would have gotten by now.

Gore's probably the only one who could challenge her and beat her.

Man, I wish Clark would run. Maybe he's got a secret pact with someone to be VP?

Obama - Clark - That would make a "whole" candidate.

[nolabels]

58. It seems quite easy to conceive that c.c.m. would be considering everything

Like day after day i pick up the daily local newspaper and get amazed about how much it is slanted. I don't doubt for a minute they would like push HRC on the rest of us. Just like i was quite sure that is what they did with J.K. I suffer no intended deceptions lightly. Your handicapping the field does sounds correct except that the field is in such flux. A little move could sway but not likely. It will probably be who edges who in the first couple primaries and thank goodness there is going to be so much front loading of it this time.

All those states chomping at the bit to be much earlier could be tricky but it will leave much less time for those in the c.c.m. to manipulate. The good news for our county is it looks like we are going back to paper ballots.

Hoping that we all can get news :hi:

[Lone_Star_Dem]

46. I have one friend who does

She's the only one anymore the rest don't want her to win the nomination. A couple of them were leaning her way but they've since changed their minds.

The people I know who are fixated on her are all republican.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

48. I wonder about this all the time, too.

[Arugula Latte]

49. It's a mystery. None of the Democrats I know likes her.

Mostly they like Obama, but some prefer Edwards (I'd like either one of the two).

[11 Bravo]

53. She is not my first choice, but I will support the Democratic nominee.

Some DUers take issue with the constant "Hillary sucks" drumbeat.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

56. Yes, and that's why I didn't trash her - just trying to address the

facts - that it doesn't appear that many people support her and that doesn't
jive with the polls.

Personally, hell yes, I'd vote for her over a thug - but now, I can't imagine
my heart would be in it. For a long time, I thought I wouldn't jump off a
bridge if Rudy won - but after hearing him in the debate - yikes - he's a
nut case.

I truly don't think a hard line conservate could possibly win. We have to
be afraid of a moderate - and he was the closest thing to that - before
I knew what he really thought.

[Lindsey]

61. The Repugs want to pump her up now so she'll be the candidate so

they can smear her like no one's ever been smeared. I have a couple of uninformed friends who are behind her. IMHO they don't have a clue. She has SO much baggage. If she's the candidate, I know other people who wouldn't otherwise vote who will vote to vote AGAINST her. If Gore indeed does not run, I'm leaning towards Edwards.

[NNN0LHI]

57. About half the Dems I know say they can't wait to vote for her. The other half like Obama

I live in Illinois so location may play into this.

Don

[DemExpat]

59. I hear lots of cautious optimism about Hillary winning the election among friends

and acquaintances here - American Democrats and the Dutch people I know and talk to.

I too would be more than happy to give her my vote should she win the nomination.

DemEx

[Laura PourMeADrink]

69. So, how's the weather there?

[MasonJar]

60. If Gore does not run, then I am backing Hill. Most of the women that I know

are pro-Hill. Maybe we are older than y'all. I personally have not been swayed as so many here have by the GOPers anti-Clinton talking points. It is subconscious I know, but these disparagements and worse have been spouted daily for over 14 years. It is difficult not to internalize some of it inadvertently. Hillary is not centrist; she is just left of center. For example, her health care (universal type, that is) was out there years ago as was her support for a Palestinian state. Boy, the Pugs flailed out big time on both of those.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

66. Great Post.

[Madspirit]

70. I Love Your Post!...n/t

[ourbluenation]

62. Me too. I don't not like her, but most of my peeps really want Gore to run. n/t

[piedmont]

71. Not me. nt

[eggman67]

75. Beats me

I know people who aren't even registered to vote who are planning to register if she gets the nom just so they can vote against her. The Republicans are drooling over this.

[leftofthedial]

78. CEO's

RW talk show hosts

[Indy_Dem_Defender]

81. I post the same thing

a number of times on here, don't know a single supporter of Hillary and haven't met one either. I've went to events this year that are attract alot of democrats and I haven't met a single suppoter. I'm left scratching my head when I see all the poll numbers of her in the lead.

[EFerrari]

82. My mom wants to see a woman in office.

:shrug:

[mdmc]

83. I do

well, not "like LIKE", but she a'ight

[porphyrian]

84. Sen. Clinton was framed as our Presidential candidate by the republicants years ago.

For that reason alone, we should avoid her like the plague - either they know they can beat her, or they have bought her.

[antigop]

85. Link to article: How the DLC does it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x295260

[H2O Man]

86. Here in NYS,

she won re-election to the Senate by a very impressive amount. She took a large number of republican votes, besides her democratic support. Polls indicated that republican women voted for her; I know in my rural area, that was true. I do not think her support among independents was significant.

I am not making a statement of support -- or non-support -- of her campaign. I'm confident that most people already have pretty strong feelings about her, one way or the other. But I will say that in even the rural, upstate republican counties, she has a well-organized machine at work.