Michael Vick is a filthy animal who should be forced into gladiator prison fights

[Proud2BAmurkin]

no i'm not kidding.

[jgraz]

1. How 'bout we wait until he's convicted

Then I'm right there with ya.

[Big Pappa]

3. True

But there is a lot of damning evidence piling up.

[Kiouni]

11. Dammit man your ruining our angry mob mentality! n/t

[jgraz]

18. Just delaying it a little

We need those torches and pitchforks over in D.C. for the moment.

[LanternWaste]

35. I think we have an unlimited supply of torches and pitchforks

I think we have an unlimited supply of torches and pitchforks to shine the light on all injustices, I'm just waiting for individuals top pick them up and use them...

[Mojambo]

2. Pay Per View? n/t

[varkam]

4. I say we skin him alive and drink his blood!

:sarcasm:

[SoonerPride]

5. Will they be nekkid?

I'd watch that. Maybe.

[bluestateguy]

6. I agree with you...if he's guilty

Let him play play until, and if, he is convicted.

Let's not let this be another Duke Lacrosse case.

[chimpymustgo]

10. Two words: due process.

Let the system work as envisioned by the founding fathers.

[alcibiades_mystery]

7. Weird fantasy you have there

But to each his own, I guess...

[BlackVelvet04]

8. He deserves his day in court.....

and a jury will decide if he is guilty or not.

[Catchawave]

9. Sign the HSUS petition:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1374251

[amerikat]

12. how about he gives 50% of his salary to the ASPCA

forever! I have no tolerance for people that are cruel to animals.

[jgraz]

17. Wow, 50% of earnings seems pretty tolerant

There just isn't a punishment bad enough for what he's done. I'll be happy if he's just kept away from normal humans for the rest of his life.

[mondo joe]

13. I guess I just adhere to the NO CRUEL OR UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT thing.

:shrug:

[Zomby Woof]

14. Do you like movies about gladiators?

[alcibiades_mystery]

20. Beatcha to it by twelve minutes

:-)

[tularetom]

15. I'm right there witcha

And if the muthafucka loses he oughta be electrocuted, hung, drowned or shot.

And if everybody else is to big of a wuss to do it, I'm not.

In my mind there ain't nothin lower than an animal abuser.....

[Mike Nelson]

16. Mell Gibson!

Movie biopix waiting for ya!

[Jed Dilligan]

19. You know what? I'm sick of this crap.

I'm calling it out. If you want criminals to be punished in ways that are illegal now, you should work to change the laws. As it stands, advocating rape/gladiatorial contests/murder/etc. of inmates is advocating a crime, a crime that is committed too often. What if I said Ann Coulter ought to be raped? What would the reaction be from DU?

I would prefer NOT to live in a country that punishes wrongdoers with forcible sodomy, gladiatorial contests, or arranged "shankings", thank you very much.

[alcibiades_mystery]

21. Fucking HEAR HEAR!!!!!

The medieval punishment mongers are a disgrace to this board, whether they're advocating rape or other inhuman tortures. They need to be called on their despicable beliefs, and that quite often.

[jgraz]

25. Animal abuse makes people go nutty

Including me. He should go to trial, and if the evidence convicts him he should never see the outside of a prison again. And all of his current assets should be given to the ASPCA.

[TransitJohn]

26. lol

forfeiture of all his assets? They don't even do that with the war on drugs. Only the assets involved in the crime. Thank god the law looks at the seriousness of this crime a little more rationally than you. After his day in court, if he's found guilty, I think he should serve whatever sentence is meted out....I won't advocate he face a punishment greater than a child rapist, like you.

[jgraz]

34. I have no problem advocating the harshest punishment

I spend a lot of time working with animals that have been abused and, unlike humans, they will never understand the reason for their suffering.

Anyone who thinks the law looks at animal abuse rationally is speaking from a position of abject ignorance. The disgustingly light penalties handed out for animal torture stem from the twisted biblical belief that "man" has dominion over all other species and can do with them as he pleases.

No one who spends time with these poor creatures can deny the real truth: that animals are capable of experiencing as much suffering as humans, and the people who torture them are just as cruel and monstrous as those who torture people.

[Kajsa]

44. Thank you, Jgraz!

You speak for me!


:applause:

[libnnc]

28. I'm trying to wait until a jury of his peers finds him guilty...

before I blow my top on him...

Once found guilty, punish him to the fullest extent of the law...and after that, I'm all for an old fashioned public shunning.

[Jed Dilligan]

37. I do believe that animal abusers

should be the most monitored class of criminals, because they so often go on to kill people. A young man caught abusing animals is the typical background of a middle-aged serial killer.

All this medieval torture stuff is senseless, and our casual approval of it is what ultimately brutalizes us.

[Beelzebud]

32. As an evolved human being, I stand with you.

Some would have us live in the Dark Ages again.

[LanternWaste]

36. I honestly don't believe an

I honestly don't believe anyone on DU *really* wants criminals punished in such a fashion. Venting, maybe. Talking or posting with full knowledge that the knee-jerk emotional reaction is simply not a possible consequence is (to me) is just venting

[Jed Dilligan]

38. How many DUers are actually standing up

to fight inmate abuse? Very, very few. We casually approve of the horrors that go on because we have come to accept that that's what happens to criminals. But guess what? Most of those guys, after being raped and tortured etc., return to the streets. And then people ask "WHY??????" when they kill a cop....

[LanternWaste]

41. Have you done a survey? Do you know the precise and relevant numbers?

Have you done a survey? Do you know the precise and relevant numbers?

I don't approve of the horrors that happen in state or fed prison, but the numbers of that are quite as many as Scared Straight may have you believe. My father spent seven years in Hunstville and another five at FCI in Ft. Worth.

It's bad. It's punishment. It's not rape 24/7. On the other hand, it's not Club Fed, either. They don't target molesters, either. There are a lot of myths about what happens in state and federal prison. A lot.

My father never killed a cop when he got out. Two of my best friends had fathers at Huntsville and FCI, too (that's how we met and became friends). When their fathers got out, they never killed a cop. Know why? They chose not to.

[Jed Dilligan]

42. In Calipatria, Corcoran, Pelican Bay, San Quentin

the abuses are routine and well-documented. Your father's experience sounds like that of a white-collar criminal. Am I wrong?

(My perspective is Californiacentric, and I'm not ashamed of that.)

As far as surveys go, any thread on inmate rights drops like a rock. Any thread on how some particular criminal should be abused in illicit ways gets kicked from here to tomorrow morning. Add in the complicity of Democratic officials in the fascist Drug War and Prison Industrial Complex, and you get a party that I will be VERY happy to leave once the neocon threat has been stabilized.

If you were raped repeatedly in prison I'm sure you would consider killing a cop to avoid going back. Anyone would. Your "chose not to" seems to come from an extremely privileged position.

[LanternWaste]

43. White-collar? Hardly.

White-collar? Hardly. Transporting heroin across the LA/TX border (hence the dual state/fed time) My perspective is TX-centric.

Privileged? Hardly. My family was worse of after he got out than before he went in. My family never achieved anything higher than middle-lower class. Privileged? My God, no.

Regardless, he never to chose to kill a cop to prevent returning to prison because he chose not to do anything that would force his return.

Sorry, amigo. You said that nothing is being done in the progressive community to affect the prison culture-- you're gonna have to show precise and relevant data as to what the progressive community has or has not done, or it's just another style of, "Well, my friend's friend's friend told me...".

One must back up assertions to illustrate validity.

[Jed Dilligan]

48. Whoa there.

I said "DU" not the "progressive community." My only comment was that threads on inmate rights sink like stones and threads on castrating/raping/mutilating criminals get kicked and kicked and kicked.

What was your father's socioeconomic status before he started running heroin?

[seabeyond]

22. what did he do? i missed it. or accused of doing.... n/t

[seabeyond]

never mind. i found a thread on him n/t

[The Inquisitive]

23. Good thread title

I'm all for that too, even without Michael Vick.

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. Isn't that pretty much what he did to dogs?

[Beelzebud]

31. Yeah, but irony doesn't fit in well with the primitive need for revenge and bloodlust.

[edhopper]

29. Enough of this presumed innocent bullshit.

In a court of law, everyone is presumed innocent. And if I were a juror, I would start with that in mind.
But you know what, this ain't a court of law. We speculate and opinionate. We call Bush and Chenney murderers, when legally, they are no such thing.
From what is reported, Michael Vick is a piece of garbage who should be tied to a post and attacked by the dogs he abused.
This is not the Duke case! Do you think the dogs are lying to the DA?

[Tulum_Moon]

33. I hope he suffers.

When he gets what he deserves I hope it hurts real bad.

[Kajsa]

46. -- especially the dead ones,

who were strangled, drowned and electrocuted.

Well said, edhopper!

Oh yeah, he's so presumed" innocent".

:sarcasm:

He'll have his day in court.

[Beelzebud]

30. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth will leave us all blind and hungry.

[WilliamPitt]

39. Irony.

If he's an animal, aren't you advocating for the same thing Vick did to those dogs?

[ShaneGR]

40. And the Duke Lacrosse players were all nasty rapists....

I refuse to let the media convict anyone in my eyes.He's entitled to defend himself and he is innocent until proven guilty. There are some interesting things in that indictment that make me wonder. First off, there are several "cooperating witnesses" who themselves have admitted to participating in dog fighting and gambling for years. They are unnamed, refered to as "CW #1, CW # 2, etc). Who are these people. Were they previously arrested and charged and have made a deal? If so, this worries me because Vick is a celebrity, therefor the government really wanted a case vs him and would be likely to cut deals with unsavory characters. The other thing is that if you read the indictment. There are 3 codefendents. All 3 lived at the property Vick puchased. Vick did not. The "execution" of dogs, as the indictment reads, blames the three individuals and not Vick for these executions. After reading it twice, it appears that the only real evidence they currently have on Vick is circumstantial in that he is said to have atttended fights, and gambled on them, but there is no cooberating video or pictures to sustain the claim. At least that's how I would look at it as a defense attorney.

May I note, I have a dog and I'm an animal lover. Dog fighting is an old practice, buried in old the old culture of the south and needs to be gotten rid of.

[JacquesMolay]

45. The NFL is our gladiator fight ....

... these are the biggest, baddest, most vicious athletes in America. Just like the Romans, we get these (mostly poor, black) athletes from the 'outlying provinces' - economically depressed areas like central Los Angeles and parts of South Florida. They have nothing to lose, and they commit startling acts of violence on each other. And we watch - think about that. Believe me, Vick knows all this - he got his damn leg broke a couple of years ago.

[mondo joe]

47. So you're not in favor of that NO CRUEL OR UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT thing, huh?

[sarcasmo]

49. They should really punish him and trade him to my favorite team.

The Lions, that would be real punishment being sacked fifty times a year.