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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:06 PM
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Truth is, if the Falcons start the year 6 or 7 straight wins Atlanta will love Vick and won't care

at all what he did.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:08 PM
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1. That's the first time in a long time that I saw the words "Vick" and "win" in the same sentence.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:59 PM
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11. Yes. True.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:09 PM
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2. Isn't that a sad statement. Any wonder this country is in the mess it's in?
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Lex1775 Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:09 PM
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3. What the hell happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:11 PM
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6. It only applies to white people.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:18 PM
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10. Only applies in a court of law, not a court of public opinion
That's why jurors are supposed to be isolated from public opinion.
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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:47 AM
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18. Fine, we hang him after the trial.
I think it's pretty safe to assume the dude is a scumbag just from the physical evidence. How does he explain a half dozen dead pit bulls buried in his yard and his blood stained room with doggie bondage gear which they used for "training"? He claims he wasn't there, except for all those articles from a few years ago about how happy he was living in his new home where he could "play with his dogs". The guy is a monster, who tortures dogs for fun. Imagine the kind of things one has to do to a puppy to turn it into a fighting dog. The shear malevolence it is frightening. If he had a safe opportunity, he would probably do it to people too. If he skates, it will be a simple reflection of the low value we place on life and the high value we place on wealth.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:10 PM
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4. Harming animals and children means you're out
If he's guilty he's ruined. And rightly so.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:11 PM
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5. Yeah, they'll be too busy shooting at flying pigs while standing on the ice of Hell.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:11 PM
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7. It shouldn't matter what "Atlanta" thinks
It matters what the law has to say.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:14 PM
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8. Sad but true statement
The AJC regularly puts sport scores before any real news -- right on the front page.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:16 PM
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9. No one here cared when we had one try to kill himself. I don't know if the Cowboys would have had a

salary cap hit for the rest of his contract or not if he had been successful.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:13 AM
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12. More Likely is
that they'll lose 6 or 7 with Vick suspended and that fans will be strongly divided.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:23 AM
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13. Prediction: Vick will not be on the team next season
He sure as hell shouldn't be, the evidence is overwhelming.

If the new commish and/or the Falcons don't suspend him pending trial, I'll be really surprised.

He has a right to a fair trial; he does not have the right to play and make millions of dollars in the NFL.

I'm no NFL fan, it's unwatchable as far as I'm concerned, but there are millions of NFL fans, many of who have KIDS.

So, they're gonna buy tix and gear for someone who TORTURES DOGS?!

Come on, man. Plus, the Falcons suck anyway. They were 7-9 WITH Vick.

He is toast.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:24 AM
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14. Right and then if he is not found guilty have to give him back pay without getting anything on the
field for it? Sure they are going to do that.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:37 AM
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15. So, you think he's gonna be found not guilty?
These are the feds. This isn't Cooter on the Dukes of Hazzard. The feds have a 95% conviction rate.

And, even if he isn't found guilty, which would surprise me, this will taint his career for good.

Sales of gear and reputation are the big buck winners in pro sports; respectfully, I'm telling you his career is over. Torturing Fido, or even being blamed for it, is gonna cut down his jersey and shoe sales, and he'll never get a big contract again.

I'm just sayin'.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:41 AM
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16. Players all get paid the same if 1 or 1 million of their jerseys sell

I don't know if they will convict him or not. Until he has been convicted I just don't see the Falcons risking having to pay him and not getting anything out of it.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:48 AM
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17. Players make millions on product endorsements from Nike and others
Sure, he'll still get the jack he signed for; superstars like Vick also reap major bucks from endorsement contracts, and he'll lose that cash.

That's all I'm saying. :)
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 06:49 AM
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20. What? Mother rapers and father rapers (and litterers) can play, but not dogfight owners?
Are you kidding? The NFL has a whole assortment of armed hoodlums who play football and they are gonna toss out a premier franchise player for dogfights?

Hey, I ain't saying that dogfights are OK, just that people have some perspective here. If a guy involved in rape (a whole bunch of Cowboys) or murder (see Balt Ravens) can play, well then, dogfights are just not gonna cut it for getting kicked out.

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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 06:41 AM
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19. Not this Atlantan. I don't care for football and I despise Vick. n/t
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 06:49 AM
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21. That's a mighty big if there
Frankly Vick was going to be on the hot seat this season anyway. People have gotten tired of hearing all the hype with little to really show for it. I imagine that if Petrino doesn't succeed(for the sixth or seventh time) in making Vick into a pass first quarterback, Vick would be gone at the end of the season anyway.

This will simply increase the intensity, and my gut feeling is that Vick is going to be unable to handle it and will simply go to pieces. I wouldn't be suprised if Atlanta doesn't see Joey Harrington under center before the season is done.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 06:52 AM
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22. And if Vick is convicted it might not matter how much the fans ...
love him. The NFL could give him the boot anyway.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 07:00 AM
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24. Oh sure, like the NFL banned Pacman Jones?
Suspended for one season:

As of March 2007, Jones has been arrested five times and questioned by police ten times since he was drafted by the Titans in 2005. Many NFL commentators are quick to point out that Jones has more arrests than interceptions since being in the NFL.<5>

On July 13, 2005 Jones was arrested on charges of assault and felony vandalism stemming from a nightclub altercation.
On September 5, 2005 Jones was a guest at the annual Nashville Sports Council Kickoff Luncheon. After a loud verbal tantrum when he was told to wait in line for his vehicle later that evening, Jones was counseled by the police. He also refused to pay for any valet services used that evening.
In October 2005, in a petition filed by the State of West Virginia, it was alleged that Jones had not made regular and sufficient contact with his probation officer and that he did not report his July arrest in Nashville in a timely fashion. The court ordered the probation extended for a period of 90 days, although the state requested it to be extended one year.
On August 25, 2006, Jones was arrested in Murfreesboro, Tennessee for disorderly conduct and public intoxication after claiming that a woman stole his wallet. She claimed that she did not steal anything and Jones spat on her. Police officers said they ordered Jones to leave several times, but he refused, continuing to shout profanities at the woman. A judge granted him six months probation on the conditions that he stays out of further trouble and away from the nightclub.<6>
On October 26, 2006. Jones was cited for misdemeanor assault for allegedly spitting in the face of a female student from Tennessee State University during a private party at Club Mystic, a Nashville nightclub. He was suspended by the Titans for one game and was scheduled to be booked on the charge on November 17, 2006.
On the morning of February 19, 2007 during the 2007 NBA All-Star Game weekend in Las Vegas, Jones is alleged to have been involved in an altercation with an exotic dancer at a local strip club. Cornelius Haynes Jr., better known as the rapper Nelly, and Jones patronized the club on the evening in question. Haynes began to shower the stage with hundreds of one-dollar bills, an act known as "making it rain". Jones then joined Haynes by throwing his own money for "visual effect". Club promoter Chris Mitchell then directed his dancers to collect the money. According to the club's co-owner, Jones become enraged when one of the dancers began taking the money without his permission. He allegedly grabbed her by her hair and slammed her head on the stage. A security guard intervened and scuffled with members of Jones' entourage of half a dozen people. Jones then allegedly threatened the guard's life.<7> During this time Mitchell and a male associate left the club with a garbage bag filled with $81,020 of Jones' money and two Breitling watches, which Police later recovered.<8> After club patrons exited following the original confrontation, the club owner says a person in Jones' entourage returned with a gun and fired into a crowd, hitting three people, including the security guard involved in the earlier skirmish. The guard was shot twice, and one of the people hit, former professional wrestler Tommy Urbanski, was paralyzed from the waist down. Jones maintains that he did not know the shooter, although the club's owner insists that Jones did. On March 26, 2007 the Las Vegas Police recommended to the city's district attorney that Jones be charged with one count of felony coercion and also a misdemeanor count of battery and a misdemeanor count of threat to life.<9>
More trouble followed Jones after the altercation, when drug dealer Darryl Moore reported to the police after being busted during a deal about his phone conversations with Jones. "We gotta slow down, man. We gotta get him focused on football, man. He's focused on too much other shit," Moore is alleged to have said. Wiretapped phone conversations between Moore and his friends revealed Moore talking about how Jones bet on college games to earn quick money. "You know, I was talkin' to him the other day about smokin', and he was like 'man, if I didn't smoke I couldn't take all the stress that I'm dealing with right now,'" Moore said.<10>
Jones also is set to appear in a Fayetteville, Georgia court in 2007 for his February 2006 incident on subpoenas for felony and misdemeanor obstruction of justice charges for an incident outside a home. The charges of marijuana in the same state were dismissed.<11>

Now, you think dogfighting is going to get Vick tossed from the league, after that?
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 07:29 AM
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27. Jones is suspended right now pending his conviction on these
charges. They are giving him his day in court. But for all intents and purposes he's out of the league. It's just not official yet.
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 07:00 AM
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23. Sports radio in Boston yesterday destroyed Vick.
Maybe we here in Massachusetts are a bit different from the folks in Georgia, but the hosts and the callers on sports radio yesterday were taking Vick to task. Innocent until proven guilty? Maybe.
See, in Boston, we actually care about people. Will Cordero and Jose Canseco beat their wives at one point and the next thing you know...poof...off the Red Sox and off to other teams. The fans booed heartily when each returned with their new teams. Even after years. Boston fans do not forget. Same with the Phillies pitcher who was dragging his wife by the hair last year in front of their hotel.

Tell you what....If this were Tom Brady, he would be getting the same exact reaction that Michael Vick is getting. This is NOT a racial issue. It is an animal cruelty issue. If you have a dog, and you are "not sure" about dog fighting, ask yourself this. How would you like your dog to be the "bait dog" in one of these training sessions? We have all seen dogs wrestle and play. I have never been witness to a dog fighting like this dogs, to the death.

This whole thing makes me sick, and as it was said in the radio yesterday......
I HOPE THEY HANG HIM BY HIS BALLS.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 07:04 AM
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25. Vick...
... belongs on a therapists's couch, not a football field. He's a sick puppy.
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 07:18 AM
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26. A little apology, a little rehab, some community service speeches ...
this will all blow over.
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