What? No posts on Vick's supposed violence being caused by "roid rage"???

[Rosemary2205]

Where are all those Benoit "roid rage" people now?

Odd.

You know sometimes these assholes are just violent.

But we don't know about Vick yet --- you know that whole pesky presumed innocent thing.

[China_cat]

1. Too disgusted at the NFL right now.

AJC is reporting they're going to let Vick play.

But how in the hell can you put raising and training dogs to fight down to 'roid rage'? From what I understand, somebody suffering from that would be more likely to fight the dog himself than to cold bloodedly teach it to tear other dogs apart.

[Rosemary2205]

2. I wondered that myself

when the Benoit story hit and 3/4 of DU was screaming about roid rage I was scratching my head then. Benoit was in a violent sport and had a history of pretty nasty fights with some minor physicality with both his late wike and his former wife. Now that the toxicology reports are back showing Benoit was clean these same people are strangely silent.

Considering the freakout that happened then I'm just really surprised it's not all roid rage around here again, considering that football is pretty violent too. It really surprises me there are none of those kind of posts.

[xultar]

3. I don't think his tests came back "clean."

http://www.nbc30.com/entertainment/13695284/detail.html

[Rosemary2205]

6. The toxicology report did come back "normal" or "clean"

I have a friend who's close to the investigation.

Benoit had Xanax and hydrocodone at appropriate prescribed levels.

He had testosterone at 4 times the normal level, however, the way this is prescribed and used that is very common at the beginning of a treatment cycle. By adding the toxicology report to the medical history information it shows no abuse of testosterone.

He also had a slightly elevated white blood cell count - IOW he was getting a cold.

All other blood and hormonal markers in Benoit's system were normal. They checked for every designer steroid possible and there was no sign of any of it. In fact, despite the wine bottle nearby he did not have elevated alcohol in his system - the wife did, but not Benoit.

There was nothing in Benoit that was not legally prescribed at the medically appropriate levels.

[tishaLA]

4. so Benoit's incredibly high testosterone levels

were just happenstance?

DISCLAIMER: I don't really know anything about the Benoit case except what the toxicology reports revealed and that he murdered his family.

[Rosemary2205]

7. That's the norm for treatment

Benoit was being treated for damage done by steroid use a very long time ago.


My husband is into body building and abused steroids as a teenager (he's in his 50's now). He's been taking testosterone for more than 25 years. At certain times in the treatment cycle it goes way up and sometimes it goes down. For some reason keeping it constant is quite difficult for some patients.

[Marrah_G]

5. Generally roid rage is just that, a rage

If Vicks did this it was no rage. He didn't run outside and beat up a dog. If they are right then he was allowing, if not participating in the systematic abuse of animals for money over an extended period of time. To try to connect simple greed with "roid rage" would be silly. This was an ongoing criminal enterprise that just happened to be connected to an athlete.

[Neshanic]

8. I held a very unpopular position in the Duke case. I thought they were innocent.

and guess what, they are. Innocent of rape, of all chareges, but guilty of stupidity and athletic superiority complex. Who would care if they got a stripper? who would care that that they partied and did things other college guys do? Who would care especially if they star atheletes? Well people do, and and they forget that they are in a public light being on a team, with that comes responsibility.

But them being of somewhat a previledged and sheltered background because of their skills and some with their wealth, they really get puzzled as to why they are called out.

I knew they were innovent from day one, but stupid in a epic way.

Now the roid thing.

Having delt with the minions over at WWE over an offensive plot line that some of you may remember; the gay marriage plot line, and a back and forth with Scott Seomens gang at Glaad when he was there and his "nothing wrong with it", I have a tiny bit more insight into the workings and methods of Vince McMahon. His culpability in the Benoit tragedy/fiasco would make your stomach turn, and the "roid rage" thing is always odd. Odd that he was tested weeks before the murder, but yet miraculously had Testosterone in his sytem in the autopsy. Being a past bodybuilder, and having bodybuilder buddies, Benoits body was not just hours at the gym. If you belive that, there's a couple of bridges for you to buy. His actions were not completely fueled by a drug along, but a combination of things that he thought he could not overcome, and yes the testosterone was a part too, but not a 100% factor. Marriage, presure to perform, personal issues,it all adds up.

John Cena, the centerpiece and crown jewel of his empire now, was on Larry King. King lobbed some curves, not many, but the damage control was obvious overdrive, and McMahon is one of the biggest slimeballs to occupy this planet.

That whole pesky thing. It's called being caught.