CONYERS: " WH LIED ABOUT ROVE"

[kpete]

Top 'Attorneygate' investigator: No 'blind faith' for the White House Michael Roston
Published: Thursday July 19, 2007


Judiciary Committee John Conyers (D-MI), in a prepared opening statement, outlined some of the wrongdoing he saw that required House investigators to continue to pursue subpoenas and other steps.

"We have learned, for example, that the White House was involved in the politicization of the Justice Department," Conyers stated. "New Mexico Republican officials complained repeatedly to Karl Rove and his aides about a voter fraud case that they wanted former U.S. Attorney David Iglesias to pursue. Mr. Iglesias was fired soon after some of these complaints, and one of the complaining Republican officials was suggested as his replacement."

He went on to warn that "the White House participated in false statements to Congress."

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/House_Judiciary_Committee_holds_hearing_on_0719.html

[blogslut]

1. This one ain't dropping off the page

kick :kick:

[bdamomma]

2. ENOUGH.

:mad:

[leftchick]

25. Warnings, Warnings, Warnings, Threats, Threats , Threats!!!!

I am so sick of No Action!!!

:puke:

[JFN1]

44. I agree

Nothing short of impeachment is called for (Gonzo, Cheney, Bush, Rice, etc., take your pick or collect the whole set!), and anything less at this point is just histrionics and theater by the Dems.

[Pawel K]

54. I know you want this to happen overnight, I would love for that to happen too

but it will take a long time. This will be fought in the courts, we will win, and eventually justice will be served. But it will not happen today, tomorrow, or next week. But it will happen.

[leftchick]

60. where is Condi?

She was subpoened weeks ago and didn't bother to show up, I think she went shoe shopping. What the fuck have they done to her? Nothing! They need to show some muscle, not this bullshit lip service.

[Emillereid]

61. I wouldn't bet on winning - the right wing has been stacking the courts

for a while now. Setting their ducks in a row so to speak. Action in the congress via impeachment or inherent contempt proceedings is our only chance. Of course when the Bushies decide to stage another false flag operation to save the repuke party, all democratic avenues will be blocked -- we'll be in an EMERGENCY you know. (Reason Bush gave himself those extraordinary powers last May). Read http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18037.htm

[Quantess]

64. The sad, ugly, truth.

[WillyT]

30. ENOUGH !!!

:mad:

[liberal N proud]

3. K&R

[Uncle Joe]

4. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread kpete.

[blondeatlast]

5. Yep--and the Federal judge just dismissed the Wilson's lawsuit. Thread link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1379039&mesg_id=1379039

How often can these bastards kick Justice to the curb?

[Richard Steele]

6. Of course they did. recommended

[yardwork]

7. k&r

[immoderate]

8. Kick for Mr. Conyers.

--IMM

[mzmolly]

9. "false statements to congress" = a high crime does it not?

:popcorn:

[Toots]

13. At least a Misdemeanor one would think.

:shrug:

[malaise]

10. Time for some arrests JC n/t

[blogslut]

11. kick

:)

[dflprincess]

12. I'm feeling very old and cynical today - but so what?

The White House will continue to ignore subpoenas and Conyers will make another "strongly worded statement" warn them that they could face contempt charges - and that's as far as it will go.

When he starts issuing warrants for inherent contempt and sends the Sergeant-at-Arms after someone, I'll believe he's serious about actually doing something.

[niceypoo]

23. I agree, the democrats are too timid...

... and our democracy is going right down the toilet as a result. Bush and Rove know that nothing will happen to them no matter what they do because the milqtoast democrats in congress are largely a group of sniveling wimps.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

55. I have a "gut feeling" dems will stop being so timid...

...right before the elections.

[spanone]

14. I just saw the Plame thread, I think we're fucked. No judge will rule against these criminals.

But I'm optomistic enough to recommend

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. *Yawn* another letter. Another crime. Another Another Another....How many fucking laws do they have

to break before they are arrested? *yawn* I am so damn tired of letters that point at crimes committed by the thugs in this administration. :boring:

DO SOMETHING TO THEM! IMPEACH!

[Name removed]

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[Miss Chybil]

17. I agree, but I think the Dems in Congress think Bush is better for them "alive."

I don't think they realize how fatigued we are all getting with the constant drumbeat of criminal accusations with no horns to back up the band, so to speak. It's tortuous to say the least.

edited for spelling...

[gentlegiant]

18. Each arrogant refusal to obey the law by the WH

is another step into the realm of fascism and another virus in the body of Democracy. I am increasingly convinced that we can't wait until '09. We need to urge Congress incessantly toward impeachment. Our democracy hangs in the balance.

[me b zola]

19. k&r

[Disturbed]

20. Isn't lying to Congress a Felony?

That was before busholini was selected by the SC. We need to move on now because this means nothing.

[me b zola]

45. Indeed, we used to have a Constitution. We were once a nation of laws.

Your screen name sums up how I'm feeling.

[lovuian]

21. Oh ya You Betcha they Lied and still in office

and Rove is still working for them too

[rndmprsn]

22. K+R

[Rosa Luxemburg]

24. When will we see the 'White House' personnel being brought out in chains?

When?

[defendandprotect]

35. Don't they have some incriminating e-mails on "caging" -???

[Auggie]

26. Kicked and recommended

[thereismore]

27. Kpete, did Conyers really use those words? I can't find them in the

article. If he didn't, you should not use quotes.

[nolabels]

28. That's what the quotes said, click on the link and read it near the bottom of the article

The House is doing a good job with what they have to work with. If the bottom keeps on falling out for the * and a ground swell of people, well you know the story :shrug:

[AZ Criminal JD]

29. The article does not say what is in the quotes

No where in the article does Conyers say "White House Lied about Rove" which is the title of this thread (and in quotes).

[nolabels]

31. The sub-paragraph directly above it declared he said it in a prepared statement

They broke the paragraph up for easier reading :shrug:

[Maven]

38. No, the L word was not used

Instead we get more linguistic contortions like "participated in false statements" in the interest of decorum.

Meanwhile, members of the Brazilian opposition party call their country's Defense Minister a "murderer" and no one bats an eyelash. A little harsh, to say the least, but arguably their freedom to say what they wish is far greater than our own "free" citizens'.

I wonder when we'll stop jumping though hoops just to tell the truth. Probably never, because this country runs on grade A bullshit. As George Carlin once said, if truth were injected into the political process, the whole system would collapse!

[thereismore]

57. It's the incestuous collegiality on the Capitol Hill. Makes me wish for

a parliamentary system. Conyers wrote a wonderful treatise on the Ohio election. Now I wonder why he stopped talking about impeachment. It's like something happened to him post election.

[kpete]

39. you are right about the " "

I cut and paste it from Raw Story - should not have used the quotes - although I agree with the headline is accurate.

I was in way too much of a hurry today - Son is getting married in my back yard in 3 weeks, I am the wedding planner - and what am I doing posting?

Well I want to seen these bastards pay for the harm they have done to this country - sorry for the error, and thanks for pointing it out to me.

Peace, kp

[thereismore]

56. No big deal. Have a happy marriage ceremony. I hope you get to keep your sanity. nt

[Kablooie]

32. I personally don't think any action will ever be taken against this administration.

I don't know what these threats are meant to do but unless action is taken and we are battling this in the courts, it's simply a puff ball of nothing. I used to have a lot of faith in Conyers but see no teeth behind the rhetoric. I believe he would like impeachment but doesn't have enough backing of the Congress to achieve it. And he won't ever get it.

Bush has the whole country and Congress by the balls and all he has to do is squeeze and everyone will cry uncle.

I hate to say this but I have no faith that anything, ANYTHING, will happen to anyone in this administration while Bush is in office. Even though I believe the majority of Americans want impeachment, I think the majority of Congress does not. And short of impeachment there is nothing that can be done.

We have another OJ case here. A murderer that gets off scott free because of our screwed up system.

Maybe it's time we lose the constitution. It's past it's prime and has no purpose anymore because no one pays any attention to it.


230 years isn't very long for a government to exist but that may be all this one gets.

Great experiment.

Tragic failure.

[nolabels]

36. You seem prolific with the down and out attitude today

Other people in their time thought they had it the worst too. There are many who can take a lot-lot more and still would feel like punching back. To me, most of these diaper toten draft dodgen wimps gumming things up in OUR government in their sheer hypocrisy will get their due. What they have done make me want to see their end even more. Their doings, these partisan impulsives will be their own undoings in the end.

Many with a keen eye know a lot, we all must share what we know collectively to make it work. Personally, i have been watching this steady undermine of our government as close as i can for at least twenty-eight years and it looks closer than ever now. Trust, just trust, the worst looks yet to come but you can trust we will get through it too somehow

[Kablooie]

37. I certainly feel down and out but I still hope you're right.

[flashl]

53. Criminal law’s credibility

The public’s perception that the “OJ” deviation is the most egregious case in criminal justice evince the media’s power. For once, when anyone wants to punctuate ‘law without justice’ use the name, millionaire Robert Durst, instead of OJ. Durst is a free man who accidentally chopped up his neighbor and dumped the remains in a river; he has a missing wife whose remains have never been found.

[Vidar]

33. K&R.

[defendandprotect]

34. Government by thuggery . . .

As Randi Rhodes keeps making clear, we are intended to be a nation of laws; not of men.

And, in order to move on this the nation has to understand the importance of these firings.

I don't really know if what we are facing is entirely clear to Americans -- i.e., fascism.

And/or if the response from what is left of our "people's government" will be enough.

The bad guys have been working at this a long, long time --

probably since the beginning of the Constitution; understanding the threat that democracy was to

them.

And they've been busting holes in our system with violence for a very long, long time.

Including 9/11 --

[Indenturedebtor]

40. Blah blah blah

"An ounce of practice is worth more than tons of preaching."

-Mohondas Gandhi

[hootinholler]

41. "the White House participated in false statements to Congress."

Mr. Conyers, I would like to take a moment to point out that that is likely a felony Sir, is it not? Shame the Constitution never mentions felonies in the impeachment clauses.

-Hoot

[ProudDad]

42. Stop Buying their Shit

Don't shop unless you have to...

Don't support this bullshit economy...

You won't be hurting Americans since bloody little shit is made here any more any way...

Starve the monster!!!!

Buy used. Buy at thrift store. Buy at mom and pop stores...

No Safeway, no Wal-Mart, no Chevron...

[Divine Discontent]

47. great post, prouddad

seriously... you make a very valid point.

I hope

MANY

listen and spread the word to their friends, I will tell a couple people, but that's the problem, as someone stated above - 99% of America has no CLUE how many things they've done wrong in DC, and that includes some of us even, as I don't read everything, and when I find something a week old I missed I think, "my goodness, how much shit do these crooks get away with and why isn't Congress impeaching them NOW?"

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<--- top '08 items & antib*sh stickers!

[PBass]

43. Goodness gracious! Such strong language, Mr. Conyers.

I do sincerely hope that no one's delicate sensibilities were offended. That would be unkind!

Sometimes, it's better to take a strongly-worded letter, and tear it up. You'll feel better for expressing yourself, but our Dear Leader won't have his feelings hurt by your brash assertions.

Would anyone care for some warm milk, before bedtime?


:boring:

[cui bono]

46. If Cannon really believes what he says, then he should be rooting for Inherent Contempt

"We anticipate a court battle which I very much fear we will lose," he said. "By we, I mean Congress...we will perpetually undermine Congress's prerogatives in overseeing future administrations."

So he's worried about Congress losing power. Then Inherent Contempt is the answer. Have her tried by Congress. Hold him to his word. He should then back this move wholeheartedly so as to not only retain power, but get back some power to the Congress.

[stlsaxman]

50. Inherent Contempt Law- the ONLY option left to Congress

If they hold Meyers to merely "contempt of Congress" it moves to Gonzales who will kill any lawsuit. The Inherent Contempt ruling will keep it in Congress for the trial, conviction AND sentencing.

Conyers KNOWS this and is acting like the elder statesman that he is.

Fear not, it's all happening....

[Kurovski]

48. Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick.

Can we please impeach these assholes?

[donheld]

49. Please Please Please may this really do some good! n/t

[Cobalt Violet]

51. K & R

:kick:

[TheBaldyMan]

52. Rove still has top security clearance n/t

[porphyrian]

58. Is anyone going to do anything about it now? - n/t

[dkofos]

59. Give me a break. Hasn't Conyers figured out that everything, I MEAN

EVERYTHING that comes out of the WH is a lie.

Just ask tony (head LIAR) snowjob.

[L. Coyote]

62. K&R Drip, drip, splash, splash, splash ...

[Alexander]

63. "False statments"....AKA "Perjury".

So when do we see some contempt and impeachment charges?

[bobthedrummer]

65. .