This Video of Tammy Faye Will break your Heart!

[romantico]

What a brave woman!

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2007/07/19/lkl.tammy.faye.god.cnn

[Taverner]

1. Cancer is one fucked up disease

Fucking A that shit can ravage you....

[OzarkDem]

93. Help them by asking for coverage for the uninsured

We always focus on research to battle cancer, but the sad truth is that, if we found a cure tomorrow, up to ONE THIRD of cancer patients would still die because they don't have access to quality cancer screening AND treatment.

The only thing worse than seeing someone in Tammy Faye's condition (and I do see them often) is seeing their lives ruined or seeing them die unnecessarily because of medical debt. I'm working with two women right now who have been diagnosed with breast cancer and are refusing treatment because they're uninsured. Their only options are to take on the huge debt and declare bankruptcy or spend the rest of their life paying it off or to quit their jobs and become homeless in order to qualify for Medicaid.

Yet no one rallies to their cause - to provide health care coverage for uninsured cancer patients that allows them to continue working and living productive lives.

Our elected officials refuse to include uninsured cancer patients in their discussions of providing health care, primarily because they fear the cost. But if we can provide health care coverage to children, the disabled, the elderly, those with mental illness, those in prison and every other category, we can also do it for cancer patients.

[quiet.american]

2. Good Lord! Poor soul. n/t

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[terrya]

8. Ugly, ugly comment.

It's obvious that she doesn't have that much longer to live.

My father passed away from cancer 3 years ago. He lost a LOT of weight...he was down to 100 lbs when he died. Cancer is a horrible disease.

A little compassion, perhaps?

[devilgrrl]

9. She got her Karma long before she got cancer...

have a little compassion. She ain't no Jerry Falwell.

[girl gone mad]

79. Seconded.

How long does one need to keep paying for past sins? I'm not religious, but I believe in forgiveness.

[devilgrrl]

12. BTW, that's a pretty disgusting comment for someone with a Paul Wellstone avatar

:eyes:

[NaturalHigh]

16. Only the third reply to this post...

and already someone is showing off his asshole side.

[wicket]

18. She deserves cancer for what, exactly?

:eyes:

[MNDemNY]

22. Oh I don't Know..

Stealing money from vulnerable seniors to fund her and Jim's "godly " lifestyle.

[wicket]

25. So she deserves to die a slow & painful death

Gotcha. :eyes: Enjoy your short stay.

[LittleClarkie]

26. So our friend here, by the same logic

must also deserve cancer.

Good thing we're more compassionate than he is, or we'd be wishing that he knew the same pain he's enjoying in someone else.

[MNDemNY]

32. Already got it friend.

[LittleClarkie]

34. Sorry to hear it.

Would you really wish it on someone else, knowing what it is though?

[MNDemNY]

35. Seeing the destruction she and jim wreaked on my grandparents...

on some guttural level...YES

[LittleClarkie]

37. Oh. Personal history involved.

Gotcha.

[MNDemNY]

39. Yes, and in this case I'll leave forgiveness to others..

On an intellectual level, I know my feelings are wrong, and my actions in life would be different, But a bit of venting here....well, ashamedly feels pretty good.

[Bluebear]

38. Your grandparents all of a sudden, pity you didn't mention them originally

Because now some people could say you are inventing a personal anecdote to cover up a thoughtless post. Just sayin'.

[MNDemNY]

41. That would be as personal as I have ever gotten on any forum.

Something I try to avoid.

[mondo joe]

71. I'm sorry your grandparents didn't have the good sense to not send their money

to televangelists.

Since you're so hot on Karma being a bitch, I wonder what you think your grandparents did to deserve that.

[wicket]

75. Exactly!

:thumbsup:

[Sapphocrat]

85. You put it better than I would have, joe.

I would have been tempted to say something like: "I'm sorry your grandparents were so fucking stupid -- looks like they got what they deserved."

P.S. Flashback to the whole Laura-Ingraham-deserves-breast-cancer wars, innit? That was one of DU's finer moments... not.

[wicket]

91. Yup

Flashback to the whole Laura-Ingraham-deserves-breast-cancer wars, innit?

It sure is. Besides, he's been here a little over a month & has racked up almost 600 posts. Agent provocateur anyone?

[NMMNG]

95. Hear, hear

Nobody deserves a slow, painful death.

And gloating over somebody else's slow, painful death is just crass.

[MNDemNY]

97. Are you also sorry that rape victims didn't have the sense to be more cautious?

[mondo joe]

98. I don't know why you think rape victims aren't appropriately cautious.

:shrug:

[MNDemNY]

100. You should probably look into the tactics used..

by PTL to extract money from elderly, vulnerable people. Many educated and intelligent folks were robbed of their security back then by these reprobates.

[mondo joe]

101. Again, since you chalk up suffering to "Karma", what do you think your family did to deserve

what happened?

[wicket]

115. No matter how many times he's been asked that...

....he still has no answer. :eyes:

[Sapphocrat]

102. I'm only sorry...

...that some people's parents didn't have the sense to use birth control.

[Sapphocrat]

87. Cancer...

...doesn't give anyone a free pass. You could be blind, deaf, have full-blown AIDS, and missing all four limbs, and I'd still tell you I think your attitude is downright disgusting.

Cancer doesn't excuse your bitterness and hatred. Ever.

[wicket]

72. Amen LittleClarkie

:hug:

[MNDemNY]

30. More than did her victims deserve their retirement years to ..

be lived out scraping by on SS and eating dog food 'cause god needed their money!
:nopity: :nopity: :spray:

[wicket]

74. Using your logic, what did her victims do to get hit with such bad karma?

Give me a break. :eyes: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity:

[trumad]

21. Wellstone would be totally ashame of your sentiment.

[wicket]

103. Using his logic, what did Wellstone do to deserve the bad karma that caused his plane to crash?

Some people are really unreal.

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[lies and propaganda]

4. the freaking commercial made me cry

absolutely heartwrenching...

[romantico]

11. I think Tammy Faye

is the only evangelical Christian who walks the walk and talks the talk. She said kind things about Jerry Falwell whe he died. She embraces everyone as God's children. She as far as I know is the only christian who embraced and welcomed the gay community to the church.She has given prayers to those who have HIV. One of the quotes I often use of hers comes from the documentary "The Eyes of Tammy Faye". She said (and I am paraphrasing here)

"We are all made from the same dirt and God didn't make any junk!"

[lies and propaganda]

13. Her work in the gay community is why i love her so much

shes actually Christian, not just in November..

[Bluebear]

19. 'shes actually Christian, not just in November..'

That's poetic :) :thumbsup:

[lies and propaganda]

107. thanks, i know!

and we could say it about maybe 16 people ;)

[DU9598]

17. Great observations

She truly follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. Her husband was a crook and she enjoyed the wealth of her ministry and his crimes. I love Tammy Faye and her love and compassion for all human beings. If we could only have all alleged christians share her love of fellow humans and share in her compassion for the sick and the poor.

God will surely bless you!

[wicket]

23. "She as far as I know is the only christian who embraced and welcomed the gay community"

My church is open & affirming & flies the rainbow flag.

Not all of us are Falwell disciples.

[LittleClarkie]

29. I was surprised to find that one Baptist denomination is also welcoming and affirming

I guess I had a few prejudices about Baptists. But the American Baptists are good shit.

[tblue37]

62. Jimmy Carter switched to the American Baptist church

because he was appalled by the turn the Southern Baptist church had taken.

[malaise]

49. But she did steal hundreds of thousands from poor gullible people n/t

[terrya]

Oh my God...

My heart goes out to Tammy Faye.

Seeing that...I hope she isn't in too much pain. :cry:

[spanone]

5. I saw her last night, that was enough. Sad.

[MonkeyFunk]

7. yeah

I watched it last night.

I don't know if I can watch the whole show tonight - jut too heart-breaking.

[MuseRider]

10. Poor thing.

I hope she is able to go easily. Terrible disease. I may never agree with her or the way she lived part of her life but damn, that is just too sad.

[ronnykmarshall]

I really love that woman.

:cry:

I'm in tears right now.

[wicket]

20. Me too

:cry:

:hug:

[Raine]

89. I do too

she's a real sweetie, a genuinely very nice person with a big heart.

[liberal N proud]

14. Geesss -- I saw a video a couple of weeks ago of her and Ron Jeremy

Yes her and the porn star. It was one of those reality things were she was staying at his house or somewhere that her, Ron and a few other porn stars were staying.
It was bazaar.
She looked bad, but nothing like that and acted healthy in that.

[lies and propaganda]

15. that was the Surreal Life, a vh1 show that was on last year...

[nini]

24. She's a skeleton

My God.. I'm surprised she's still with us.

[LittleClarkie]

27. Indeed. It's not even her face that shocked me the most, it's that

you can see her ribs, all of them.

She doesn't look like she should be upright.

[romantico]

28. I don't think Tanny faye was involved with Jim Baker's doings

I don't want to say she's dumb, I just didn't get the impression she was that business savy to follow the books. besides, wasn't she on some kind of medication where she was over medicated at this time? Tammy was not charged with a crime nor did she serve any time.I think Tammy was in the clear. She was just the nice little housewife not asking questions letting the men take charge.

[LittleClarkie]

31. Good point. Not charged. I also got the feeling she was someone who came from simple roots

and was ill equipped to deal with that much fame and money. I think she learned from it though. I didn't know about her work in the gay community. Bless her heart. I hope she goes peacefully, the poor thing.

[MNDemNY]

44. She went state's witness to save her ass.

[Le Taz Hot]

84. You're right, precious.

Karma IS a bitch. Be careful what you wish for for someone else.

Goddess speed, Tammy Faye. One of the few REAL Christians on TV.

[Randypiper]

53. I agree

She just wanted to sing.

[Beausoir]

33. Aw. She's so ill. She must be exhausted. That made me feel sad.

[qanda]

36. Wow! That is very sad

I hope her relief will come quickly. Sometimes death is kind.

[Politicub]

40. What an awesome person she is

It's heartbreaking to see her so weak and frail, but her optimistic character still shines through.

[Bake]

42. As somebody said in my thread on this last night, she was USED back in the PTL days.

She's done a lot of good to atone since then. She's got a fantastic attitude, if you saw the clips on CNN last night.

I hope the end comes easier for her than the last year or so have obviously been, and that she rests in sweet peace.

Bake

[MNDemNY]

43. Maybe she has done good things since..

but check out testimony from jim's trial, and the class action suit against ptl and you will probably change your mind as to if she was merely "used"

[LittleClarkie]

45. What that testimony won't show is if she's apologized

Since then. Others say she was used. She herself might not feel that way, probably doesn't, and wouldn't accept that description of her.

Meanwhile, it all does rather emphasize that the elderly need to be educated regarding such things, not to give their money to just anyone.

[MNDemNY]

47. Has She? Not to my Family.

[Inkyfuzzbottom]

46. I saw a preview of the interview

last night on Larry King. She looked so frail as she gasped for air as she spoke. I love Tammy Faye and the things she's done for people since the downfall of the PTL ministry. She's done a lot of good. Also, did you know her son Jay Bakker has his own church...check out the website at http://www.revolutionnyc.com/ Very interesting and not quite like any other church I am familiar with.

I am an atheist and not affiliated with any church but I can appreciate when folks do good things for others, whether under the guise of god or whatever...good is good is good...

[irislake]

48. Of all the wonderfully colourful characters

villains, villainesses, scoundrels, fools, and misguided souls that America has given the world Tammy Faye is one of the most delightful. (Martha Mitchell was another big favourite.)Whenever she is going to appear on TV my best friend phones me to enthuse, "Tammy Faye is on blah blah blah."

She is one in a million. Whatever bad she did (obviously not enough to send her to jail) I am sure I have done just as bad. When she dies the sun will shine one shade less brightly for me. What a character!

[Ezlivin]

50. As an atheist I have to say

...she doesn't deserve to die this way; no one does.

I'm an ex-fundy who "gave" many tens of thousands of dollars to various ministries before my mind cleared. Yet I harbor no hatred of those who asked for and received my money. Nearly all of them were legitimately wanting to do something good, but they were really just engaging in wishful thinking (as was I). I didn't ever get healed, I'm still in my wheelchair and there is no heaven for me.

Tammy Faye Messner did some questionable things in her life, but she doesn't deserve to die like this.

[LittleClarkie]

51. I grew up watching the Jim and Tammy Show

sort of a religious Howdy Doody type affair.

Even tried to get on the show once.

It was weird watching the PTL show sometimes, esp when things went weird at the end, remembering the simple folk who ran that goofy little kids show I used to watch.

I'm glad to read this thread and see that she's done some good in her life, and I hope her passing is as pain free as possible.

[closeupready]

52. Well, I'm gay, and I remember in the 80's when just being gay meant you were a pariah, to

say nothing of having AIDS, and she was one of the first people - PERIOD - to exhort people to love people with AIDS, and nobody can tell me that she did that for cynical reasons - she had nothing to gain from doing so, and lots to lose. She did that out of the goodness of her heart and from real love, and as far as I'm concerned, I am inspired by the good she did in her life. She was always upbeat and optimistic, despite everything she went through and despite being taken advantage of. I don't think I would agree with her on some things, but it doesn't matter to me. She will always be a true Christian in my book.

[LittleClarkie]

56. I'm thinking that's why her son is the way he is as well

I was struck by how open he is and spiritual. He's working on becoming a minister, but seems to be trying to decide for himself what his faith means to him and what is and isn't right.

He has a documentary show on Sundance called "One Punk Under God."

Sounds like he gets his spirituality from his mom.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

61. For me, it was her work as a gay rights advocate that redeemed her

She actually looked at the gay community as a person and without judgment and saw how unfair her own religion had been to it. Rather than just feeling guilty she got off her butt and went to work to attempt to make things better.

When she saw what her church was doing to gay people, she renounced them for their actions. When she found out that there were vast numbers of gay youths committing suicide, she created an outreach program. When she saw the prejudice against gays dying from AIDS, she held their hands and used her voice to speak for them.

For all her faults there actually was a great deal of kindness and love in her heart. In the end she did work hard to do some good things with her life.

[ronnykmarshall]

69. I'll second that!

One quote from Tammy that will always be in heart .... this was after she made an appearance at the Castro theater in SF for a showing of "The Eyes of Tammy Faye" .... she said "I never felt more pure love in my life as I did that night at the Castro" ..... I love you Tammy!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

54. Tammy Faye is a convicted con artist.

Getting people to sympathize is her M.O.

[LittleClarkie]

55. Never convicted

and what would she have to gain to get people to sympathize with a 65 pound woman.

She's not getting us to sympathize, we just do.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

57. mea culpa.

Tammy Faye was never convicted.

[devilgrrl]

83. Come on dude.... she got her ass handed to her well before this...

now stop it. There are worse people than Tammy Faye. Really. There are.

[JSK]

58. I remember an interview

after she "beat" her cancer. She said she refused to ever have another colonoscopy because it wasn't ladylike.

[K8-EEE]

59. Wow, what a spirit she has.

Amazing.

[DFW]

60. Colonoscopies are no fun,

But to not get one because it isn't ladylike is ridiculous.
Nothing that will help prevent wasting away from cancer should
be refused because it isn't ladylike.

My father wasted away from cancer (pancreatic) and he fought it
for ten months--about five times as long as most people who are
diagnosed with that type of cancer. My wife had cancer and has beaten
it so far. Some of the stuff she has had to go through wasn't very
"ladylike," either, but she is still with me now six years after
diagnosis, and in complete remission. We can't think of many treatments
we would have refused in order to have had this extra time together.

The wasting away of a person suffering from this disease is something
so awful to behold, it is very difficult for me to argue against an
atheist after been brought up in a culture that would have me believe
that this is God's will. No benevolent force does this to living things.

[MuseRider]

63. I'm sorry.

10 months is a long time with pancreatic cancer. My father died 10 days after diagnosis, he was younger than I am now and having seen what it did to him in that short time I can't imagine what that 10 months was like.

I hope your wife remains in remission forever so that you can enjoy each other for a long time. Your comment touched me. A lot of us will never hear something like that. Thanks.

[wryter2000]

66. My daughter-in-law lasted 4 months with the disease

The romance writing world just lost one of ours 11 days after the diagnosis. Of course, she'd had it for a while. My husband died about 6 weeks after becoming symptomatic for biliary cancer.

[MuseRider]

70. You sound like me

I have lost everyone and it is very difficult. Most to cancer. Biliary cancer is nasty. Sometimes I think going quickly is a blessing even though there is not enough time to really work things out. My mother lasted 4 years with nasty throat cancer that robbed her of her voice, her breath and her mind. I took care of her all those years and let her live independently and when she died I felt such a relief and it made me feel guilty. My kids felt guilty because they were small and did not have me around as much and were happy to have me back, it is just such a draining thing. I do sometimes think quickly is best for those remaining and some cancer is best quick for those that have it. All in all a disease that is never easy.

I am sorry for your losses.

[wryter2000]

104. Thank you

I absolutely agree that it's best to go quickly. My husband went so fast I couldn't even bring him home to die. I wanted to do that for him, but I wasn't looking forward to it.

Of course, you felt relieved when your mother died. You mustn't pick on yourself for that. You went above and beyond. Pat yourself on the back.

[DFW]

110. Thanks for that. My father took it in incredible stride

He jogged, played tennis, and at 77 had the body of a 25 year old pin-up.
When he got the diagnosis, he turned to my mother and commented, "so muchemo
for clean living."

He tried an operation, chemo, and he wrote his last column 8 days before
he died, saying he had nothing left, but that the bad news couldn't negate
a wonderful life.

He never stopped thinking of others. While on his sickbed in August 2000 (we
lost him November 27th), he noticed that there was a proposal to save Medicare
some money by reducing the amount of outpatient chemotherapy Medicare covered
from 95% to 85%. Having just been there, himself, he arranged a conference call
with Clinton's White House and Sen. Moynihan of New York, and explained to them
that it would not save money, but waste money. If low income people could not
afford the extra 10%, they would then opt for the more costly in-patient chemo
treatment, which was still covered at 95%, and cost the program way more. Both
Moynihan and the White House were convinved, and the proposal was stricken. He
never quit.

My mom called me Nov. 21st to tell me I had better get back to America fast if
I wanted a last visit. I made it to Virginia on Saturday, the 25th. I called
from IAD to say I had landed, and he answered the phone. When I got to the house,
his first question was whether he looked better or worse than I had imagined.
I said about what I expected, and he was disappointed, indicated I was taking
a cop-out. The following Monday, he complained of shortness of breath, and
slowly started to fade away. My mom took one of his hands, and I took the other,
and we told him it was OK, we'd take it from there.

And so we must.

And so we will.

[MuseRider]

112. I am in tears

your story is lovely and very sad. I may send you a PM instead of hijacking this thread but I am going to have to recover from your story first. Thank you so much for it, as much as it makes one cry it is also the story of a good life lived and a brave and perfect ending. It has not been long ago, it must still hurt very much. We should all be so lucky to have loved ones at our side. :hug:

[Sapphocrat]

105. My dad: esophageal, progressed to stomach.

3% chance of survival at diagnosis; he died seven months later. His last year of life was not life at all. At the end, I'm not entirely sure he knew who I was.

He was not a drinker, nor a smoker. He was a health-food nut who exercised religiously, took his vitamins, and kept his blood pressure under control. He was also the cleanest-living, genuinely Christian man one could ever hope to meet; he literally emptied his pockets to anyone who needed money, and I can't count the number of times a family outing was detoured or canceled altogether because he had to stop for a stranded motorist. That man once changed out somebody's fuel pump in the middle of the desert. He had to -- because that's what people are supposed to do.

No, no benevolent force does this to living things. And anyone who attributes disease to "sin," or character flaw, or some perverted sense of "divine justice," must be very angry with his own God/Goddess/gods to confuse Him/Her/them with nature, environment, and/or genetics.

My best wishes to you and your wife, DFW. FWIW, I'll chant for you both. :)

[DFW]

106. Chant away!!

We'll take whatever we can get.

From the day I first met her in a folk music club
in West Berlin in 1974, I said to myself, "what do
you have to do to get to spend your life with a woman
like that?"

Fortunately for me, the answer was, "just be yourself."

That, and the fact that she was nearsighted!

[tblue37]

64. I do wish she could let some of that makeup go, though. n/t

[dweller]

65. it appears the video is on tonite's Entertainment Tonite!

i guess in a country where animals are brutally treated for $port, this could be called "entertainment".

sigh
dp

[JohnnyLib2]

67. Courage comes in many forms.

Courageous woman.

[Deja Q]

73. Very sad. She even said she did not want to know how much time she had left.

I wept.

My condolences for her family.

[JacquesMolay]

76. flamebait ...

... n/t

[LittleClarkie]

78. O-B-K-B

Most people seem to be quite sympathetic. What flamebait? Where?

[Bluebear]

88. What is flamebait?

[wicket]

92. How is it flamebait?

Do tell.

[OzarkDem]

94. Some people can't deal with thinking about cancer

There's nothing controversial about it, its a tragic disease that no one deserves.

[lies and propaganda]

108. the whole thread?

what?

[Penndems]

77. That poor, dear woman - what a heartbreaking interview that was

Five minutes of it was all we could watch. It was just too much. God bless her.

[GenDem]

80. Blessings and safe passage, Tammy Faye

:cry:

[pitohui]

81. that's heart breaking EOM

,

[Rex]

82. Holy crap!

I couldn't stand Tammy and her bilking of money from elderly people, but I would not wish what has happened to her on my worst enemy. Maybe a miracle will happen.

[Occulus]

86. I will never say another bad word about Tammy Faye for as long as I live. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

90. I Am A Liberal Because I Have Empathy For Folks In Distress

Tammy Faye is in distress... Those who delight in her suffering aren't liberals... It takes more than hating Bush to make you a liberal... If hating Bush was all it took to make one a liberal David Duke would be a liberal...


Some of the hateful comments here sadden me...

[Highway61]

96. Whatever she did in this life is between her and God

Life is a journey...we ALL have baggage. My goodness, My heart did break seeing her. What a horrible disease. God bless her.

[Hubert Flottz]

99. I saw and I cried!

Because I saw my dad's and one of my best friend's faces again. Lung cancer is a hard way to go. I hope she really does go to "Heaven"...I hope my dad and my friend did too.

[HughBeaumont]

109. Sad.

I'm glad she broke her "no film" vow. People NEED to see this. Not only does stem cell research need to start flourishing, but more monies need to be allocated away from the Penta-sewer and into a comprehensive Universal Health Care/Medical R&D platform.

Tammy Faye Bakker, mistake-ridden as she was for sticking with Jim, at least was accepting of ALL people in her church. The Bakkers were never hellfahr 'n' brimstone nutjobs like Fartwell and Robertson. Maybe that's why the nutjobs knifed them - their desire was to actually point out the goodness of Christianity, not USE it to keep the citizenry fearful.

[goodgd_yall]

111. I was unable to view this video until today

After a friend sent me a viewable link. Dear Tammy...I used to think the 2 of them (she and Jim Bakker) were freaks, but then I found out the only real freak was Jim. I saw "The Eyes of Tammy Faye" a few years ago which changed my opinion of her. She came across as naive and sweet, but also tough and honest. I hope her suffering will end soon.

[Booster]

113. Awe, that's just plain sad. No one should suffer like that no matter

what. I was never a fan, but Tammy Faye wasn't as bad as some of the others in that field. I do think her heart was in the right place.

[kittykitty]

114. Rent "The Eyes of Tammy Faye". After the demise of the marriage, but before cancer.

A most endearing look at her. She is innocent, honest, wise. I was surprised.