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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:07 PM
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So are we Having a Constutional Crisis of Government
It looks like we have a Rogue government

A constitutional crisis is a severe breakdown in the smooth operation of government. Generally speaking, a constitutional crisis is a situation in which separate factions within a government disagree about the extent to which each of these factions hold sovereignty. Most commonly, constitutional crises involve some degree of conflict between different branches of government (e.g., executive, legislature, and/or judiciary), or between different levels of government in a federal system (e.g., state and federal governments). Low-level disputes of this nature are commonplace in everyday government operation, and the point at which such a dispute becomes a constitutional crisis is difficult to define precisely. However, a good guideline is that a crisis occurs when one or more parties to the dispute refuses to recognize the right or power of another constitutional body to resolve or arbitrate the dispute.

What happens when this happens
A constitutional crisis can lead to government paralysis, collapse, or civil war.

I'll add we may have a Cabal at work here

A cabal is a number of persons united in some close design, usually to promote their private views and interests in a church, state, or other community by intrigue. Cabals are sometimes secret organizations composed of a few designing persons, and at other times are manifestations of Emergence or emergent behavior in society or governance on the part of a community of persons who have well established public affiliation or kinship. The term can also be used to refer to the designs of such persons or to the practical consequences of their emergent behavior, and also holds a general meaning of intrigue and conspiracy. Its usage carries strong connotations of shadowy corners and insidious influence; a cabal is more evil and selective than, say, a faction, which is simply selfish. Because of this negative connotation, few organizations use the term to refer to themselves or their internal subdivisions. Among the exceptions is Discordianism, in which the term is used to refer to an identifiable group within the Discordian tradition.
One recent example of the use of the word Cabal came in an accusation by former Secretary of State Colin Powell's chief of staff, Lawrence Wilkerson, who claimed that the Bush administration's foreign policy is run by a "Cheney-Rumsfeld cabal" implying a sinister intent

I think we have seen much evidence of it as seen in the recent refusals by Bush Government
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:09 PM
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1. At least we have some leverage with a Democratic Congress
but can you imagine what would have happened if the GOP won in 2006?
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:13 PM
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2. I think the Democrats winning is just exposing the cabal
that has taken over our country

I think the Democrats in Congress are getting ready to go Public that Bush Government has taken over the Government

and Congress powers is being dismissed

Get ready for announcement of a Dictatorship coming by the Democrats

The States will come in on this next
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BlackHawk706867 Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:18 PM
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4. Then the States need to do something about this if the elected Feds can't...
All States need to set the Federal Administration straight in any means that are required.. (read between the lines here) If they don't do it, you will be under a full Dictatorship with no recourse...
Each state has the ability to fight this, and they better do so.

ww
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:20 PM
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5. I agree there have been prophecies that Civil War in US
was coming and I can see that Bush & Company is going to have a states seceding from the US soon if they don't watch it

I think Vermont is very close too
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:25 PM
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7. at least Vermont is not in sleep mode
the rest of the country are busy booking their next trip to Six Flags or a cruise.
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BlackHawk706867 Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:26 PM
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8. I didn't want to use the "S" word, but something has to happen...
to get the attention of these, these... I don't even know what to call this Administration anymore.

ww
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:24 PM
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6. The founding fathers would have been appalled
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:17 PM
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3. Didn't Bush say the Constitution "was just a piece of paper"? n/t
Edited on Thu Jul-19-07 05:18 PM by cutlassmama
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NancyBreen Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:54 PM
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9. As a DUbie, can someone advise
how to research the current situation we have in the U.S. where there are not 3 separate bodies of government? I mean when the people speak out against the dictator * and his regime and the minority in the Senate are able to set the rules of needing 60 votes when it suits them and the Supreme Court is stacked to agree with the dictator *, what is our recourse. I so wish I had paid more attention about these things in school. I'm an old lady that never thought we would be in the position and I'm scared. I marched during the Viet Nam War and I continued to call and write my Senators and Representatives before and during WaterGate and the Hearings against Nixon and his Nazis. I was sure we would never have another evil leader after America proved our Constitution held and we would never turn into a Fascist Nation. How could we, as a Noble, well-respected nation ever let corporations buy our Government? Historians out there, have we ever been so fucked? Please edify me.:wtf:
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