Three alarm bells in one week: Bush to stage terror attack in US

[SoonerPride]

This little thing seemed odd, especially since it didn't come from a bark eating tinfoil hatter. I mean, he IS a Republican, right?

Ron Paul warns of staged terror attack


"Republican presidential candidate, Rep. Ron Paul, said the country is in 'great danger' of the U.S. government staging a terrorist attack or a Gulf of Tonkin style provocation, as the war in Iraq continues to deteriorate.

The Texas congressman offered no specifics nor mentioned President Bush by name, but he clearly insinuated that the administration would not be above staging an incident to revive flagging support.

'We're in danger in many ways,' Paul said on the Alex Jones radio show. 'The attack on our civil liberties here at home, the foreign policy that's in shambles and our obligations overseas and commitment which endangers our troops and our national defense.'

Paul was asked to respond to comments by anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan that the U.S. is in danger of a staged terror attack or a provocation of an enemy similar to the Gulf of Tonkin incident in 1964 before the Vietnam War.

During the radio interview, Paul said the government was conducting 'an orchestrated effort to blame the Iranians for everything that has gone wrong in Iraq.'

The comments come as several prominent terrorism experts have warned the U.S. is facing an increased risk of attack this summer. Earlier this week, in an interview with the Chicago Tribune, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said he had a 'gut feeling' the U.S. would be attacked again.

The remark angered some Democrats, who criticized Chertoff for being too vague. And some pundits seized on his remarks, saying the vague warnings were meant only to revive flagging support for the war in Iraq and Bush’s larger war against terrorism."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecry...or_attack.html

Then we got this a couple of days ago. We're getting more chatter from "respectable conservatives" who served in the Nixon and Reagan and Bush 41s administrations that they are scared shitless by Bush and especially Cheney. John Dean calls the current cabal "worse than Watergate" (and he should know since he was right there knee deep in the muck).

If anyone just out of hand dismisses the worries about what might be just around the corner, then you haven't been paying attention.

Former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration Paul Craig Roberts has gone further than ever before, warning that the Bush administration could be about to stage false flag events and terror attacks in order to reinstate the draft, announce a dictatorship and attack Iran.

Roberts has been dubbed the "Father of Reaganomics" and is also a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service.

In his weekly syndicated column, Roberts suggests that unfolding events and the nature of the rhetoric emanating from government quarters suggests that a major staged terror attack could be just around the corner.
"Ask yourself: Would a government that has lied us into two wars and is working to lie us into an attack on Iran shrink from staging "terrorist" attacks in order to remove opposition to its agenda?" writes Roberts.

http://www.blacklistednews.com/iNP/view.asp?ID=3787

This is third citing in a week from connected/inside the beltway people that they fear Bush is planning (or will allow to happen) a terror incident in order to seize ultimate control of the country, cancel elections, and wage war with Iran. This time from former ambassador Dan Simpson writes:

I thought that by now the White House would have decided that the strains of the job on his health were too much for Mr. Cheney to continue as vice president, that he would then have stepped down for valid health reasons, and the Republicans would have plugged into the position a viable 2008 presidential candidate.


I can think of several reasons why they didn't do that (I will give them credit for enough intelligence to at least realize they had a problem). First, Mr. Bush felt he couldn't live without Mr. Cheney around. Second - and I suspect this is probably the truth of the matter - Mr. Cheney didn't want to step down and Mr. Bush decided in the end that he didn't care what happened to the Republican Party after he was out of the White House.


There is also the late-at-night, eerie concern that Mr. Bush has in his head some sort of scenario where, for reasons of national security - real or drummed up - the 2008 elections will have to be postponed and he will get to stay on.

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070718/OPINION04/707180321

If these alarms were coming from the far left or democratic congresspersons or democratic presidential candidates, then I could see being highly skeptical. Dems have an axe to grind, right? Ignore the loony left. Fine.

But what do ambassador Dan Simpson, Republican candidate Ron Paul, and the father of Reagonomics all have in common wanting to discredit the current administration?

What axe do they have to grind?

To what end?
What purpose?

WHY?

There is at least the possibility that there is within Republican circles, background "chatter" at cocktail parties or what not that there is something about to happen which will lead to these nightmare scenarios. I'm not saying it will happen and I'm not even sure that they themselves think it it might happen, but it sure seems odd that this keeps popping up.

[BeHereNow]

1. Buckle up- the train to hell has picked up speed and the engineer is drunk...

Wish I could tell you where the emergency exit door is,
but I am still looking for it myself.
I would be fairly certain it is only a matter
of time before the whole country derails.
That is the plan, by the way.

BHN

[Blashyrkh]

28. Weren't we all crazy for thinking this about 9/11?

[NotGivingUp]

2. thom hartmann had roberts on his show today talking about this...time to hit the pavement....

if it's not too late. k&r.

[BeHereNow]

5. No time to hit the pavement- sorry

American Idol is on next...:sarcasm:
BHN

[NotGivingUp]

11. unfortunately, that WOULD be the reply of many. nt

[shance]

3. Cindy Sheehan was the first to address this. Why no mention?

When I find the link I will post it.

[SoonerPride]

6. Specifically, I was looking at sources "on the right."

Lefties and democrats can be alarmist and have "tinfoil hat" theories about false flag terror attacks (which might be as valid as anyone else's), but what seems more alarming is that there is this chatter coming from REPUBLICANS.

[shance]

21. Lefties and Democrats pay attention darlin**

;)

here's the link -

http://conniespage.com/

[Megahurtz]

4. Things ARE Looking Pretty Odd Lately.

I really don't know what to think but to be prepared.

[TomInTib]

7. It is all about the '08 elections.

I have been saying that for two years (much to the distress of many DUers).

There is just no way they can afford any but local elections to take place.

That's what so many of those 'signing statements', coupled with the PATRIOT Act, are all about.

Remember, some of these same crazies were with Reagan and had such a plan set for motion if the public ever figured out the Contra/cocaine deal.

And once the Constitution is suspended, there is no mechanism to reinstate it.

It's too late to stop it now.

[BeHereNow]

9. Not to my distress TomInTib...

I've been saying exactly the same thing, so you have
no argument from me.

BHN:thumbsup:

[TomInTib]

13. Damn! I meant to send something to you today.

My 'Edge of the Table' theory.

Tomorrow.

Tom

[BeHereNow]

14. I'm patient... I look forward to it when you have time!

Thanks,
BHN

[eleny]

8. Recommended - Thanks for this synopsis!

:kick:

[SoonerPride]

10. Thanks!

I'd seen this or that thread on these topics and put 'em all together.

What's up with this "chatter" anyway?

[marmar]

12. Ron Paul is begging to become the first victim of Bush's new executive order....

:scared:

[FogerRox]

15. Run for your life

[Cobalt-60]

16. large city mayors need to take their own measures

We all know how much Junior and Uncle Dick like city dwellers.
If I were the mayor of San Francisco, i would form a ring of radiation detection around the city and harbor.
It doesn't have to be precise. A cordon of hand held detectors like my old Civil defense Geiger counter would do.
I would also keep a weather eye on the local Republicon elitists.
If they all try to run at once, stand by. Here it comes.
There are traitors in the White House eager to eliminate Democratic voters any way they can.
their craven negligence has already destroyed New Orleans.
They know they're out of power for the next generation after 2009.
They'll stop at nothing, yet they must be stopped.

[quiet.american]

17. "Bush to stage "another" terror attack" is more like it. n/t

[SoonerPride]

18. And this time the coup will be complete

I fear these alarm bells will go unheeded.

[hedgehog]

19. Look at all the people suspicious about 9/11

I halfway suspect something bad is going to happen, and there will be more conspiracy theories than about the Kennedy assassination. One thing you can bet on for sure: A competent government could prevent it.

[SoonerPride]

20. But if something terrible happens, will Bush get the swell of support he got in 2001?

His popularity was in the 70 or 80% shortly after 9/11.

Would the majority of the public rally to the flag and anyvoice of dissent would be squashed?

Then "to make us safe" martial law or other such restirctions are ordered?

[hedgehog]

22. I think that train has long since left the station.

To mix my metaphors, he bet the house when he took us into Iraq, and he lost.

[SoonerPride]

24. I hope you're right, but still all this chatter makes me uneasy.

Normally, this kind of nightmare scenario gets a chuckle out of me.

But now, eitehr I'm going nuts or these scenarios are all too plausible.

[rhiannon55]

31. I don't think so. Too many people see through him now.

Surely this kind of evil deed would create a real resistance movement.

[SoonerPride]

32. You'd think so.

Wouldn't you?

[Phredicles]

23. But the apologists' mantra has been, "The Dear Leader has prevented another 9/11"

And as was pointed out elsewhere in this thread, there'll be a widespread sense that, one way or another, a competent leadership could have prev ented such a thing, especially from happening twice.

Besides, I think there's a level on which all these Staged attack/Imminent martial law threads play into the Insane Clown Posse's hands: It has the same effect of getting us all to live in dread of what's coming, doesn't it (edit: I mean, the same effect as their all terror, all the time rhetoric)? Certainly we need to keep our eyes open, but all this gloom and doom talk tells me that in a very real sense that crowd has truly set up shop in all our heads.

[truedelphi]

34. But even the apologists are turning against him

Caught two ten minute segments on Fox news tonight

Not a regular viewer so I can't say who I was watching - but Fox news was making it clear that
there is little excuse for anyone to remain with their head up their butt - that since there is no discernable strategy for the war, and therefore there seems to be little hope or faith that the war can be won, it is time to get out. (April 2008 being the farthest out of dates they envision.)

They had no use for Bush - and although they occassionaly spoke as if they were wishing they could find fault with Hillary, they seem resigned and accepting of the idea that the Dems will hold the WH January 2009.

[Rex]

25. With his new Exec Order in place, I am really starting to get worried.

And of course all the people that SHOULD know better (dedicated Justice officials for example) will let our country fall off the cliff and cheer it own as patriotism.

I hope they can live with themselves after Bush fucks us over so bad we can't ever go back to Democracy.

Sleep well you fucking goons, don't know how you can look at your children and kiss the wife in the morning - you all make me sick.

[JacquesMolay]

26. Ron Paul better stay out of small planes...

... n/t

[Individualist]

27. Here's another one -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1377950

[SoonerPride]

29. Simpson's warning was alarm bell #3. See OP. Thanks!

Yeah, it was the "these things come in threes" that clicked somethign in my mind.

I remember the Ron Paul thing from the 13th or 14th and then the Reagan official, then yesterday former ambassador Dan Simpson.
Ding
Ding
Ding

[theredpen]

30. OK, this is disturbing

I love bashing conspiracy theories -- lefty and righty -- but this conflation is spooky.

For the record, Ron Paul and Paul Craig Roberts are Libertarians trapped in Republican bodies (Paul ran for President as the LP candidate in 1988). Neither of these guys ever liked Bush. Outside of the Libertarians and tiny collection of smart people at Free Republic, both Paul and Roberts are despised and ridiculed.

Ron Paul's district borders Tom Delay's former district. Delay supporters hate Ron Paul and call his supporters and his district "liberal." Ron Paul is most certainly not liberal; he is a staunch pro-lifer and wants to dissolve the UN.

I don't know anything about the former ambassador.

As far as being worried about this, staging a terrorist attack here at home might possibly destroy the Republican party for good. These guys couldn't put together a convincing set of lies for Iraq (as we started the war, only 40% of the country believed that Saddam Hussein had WMD's). I don't think they could keep the charade up very long, especially now that only 25%-30% of Americans believe what they say in the first place.

If they try to pull anything it will be a remote thing. "Iranian's bomb Green Zone!" That might work, or it just might cause the whole country to become completely fed up with the war. (Like, fed up enough to get off their collective butts and PROTEST.)

To echo another post, I think that a domestic terror attack -- even a real one -- might destroy the Bush apologists last stand of "well... there hasn't been a terrorist attack since 9/11 so he must be doing something right."

[Chico Man]

33. Well the stock market seems pretty well teed up for it (nt)

[tom_paine]

35. Yes, the chatter coming from the Bushies (Executive Order 51) and the old-school Republicans

has been growing for awhile.

I think it is indeed coming.

[SoonerPride]

36. Is here ANYTHING we can do?

Anything at all?

[tom_paine]

40. Got any ideas?

I used to wonder, as we all probbaly did, why the ordinary Germans didn't stand up to and stop Hitler before he happened.

I don't wonder about that anymore. I know why, now.

To you I will give you my ideas, as a German Social Democrat of 1933 might have given to a colleague after the Reichstag Fire.

"Contact your Representative. Write a letter to the local newspaper. Get active in anti-Bush groups working to expose the truth about the tyrants who have stolen our great nation."

Change Bush to Hitler, and once again the similarities of the individuals and the situations become highlighted.

But you have my answer.

"Contact your Representative. Write a letter to the local newspaper. Get active in anti-Bush groups working to expose the truth about the tyrants who have stolen our great nation."

[butterfly77]

37. Finally, some repugs have begun to speak up...

but some of the base will never believe...

[GeorgeGist]

38. ding, ding , ding, ...

DING

Tomorrow Cheney becomes President.

:freak:
:nuke:

[CGowen]

39. The Dems give a confusing answer (John Olver Believes Bush Will Cancel 2008 Election)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1281920

He is deeply concerned whether we will actually have an election in Nov. '08, as he believes this administration will likely strike Iran from the air, declare a national emergency, and cancel the '08 elections. He sees ending the war as his primary goal, and he believes the brilliant Nancy Pelosi has a strategy more potent than impeachment. He thinks impeachment is a futile waste of legislative energy, will be harmful of democratic '08 victories, and further tighten the "gridlock" he has complained of for the past few decades.