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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 11:50 PM
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Breaking: DoJ will 'never be allowed to persue contempt charges.'
Edited on Thu Jul-19-07 11:58 PM by americanstranger
Fuck this. Time to impeach. And Congress better start using Inherent Contempt - like tomorrow.


Bush administration officials unveiled a bold new assertion of executive authority yesterday in the dispute over the firing of nine U.S. attorneys, saying that the Justice Department will never be allowed to pursue contempt charges initiated by Congress against White House officials once the president has invoked executive privilege.


(snip)

Stanley Brand, who was the Democratic House counsel during the Burford case, said the administration's legal view "turns the constitutional enforcement process on its head. They are saying they will always place a claim of presidential privilege without any judicial determination above a congressional demand for evidence -- without any basis in law." Brand said the position is essentially telling Congress: "Because we control the enforcement process, we are going to thumb our nose at you."

Rozell, the George Mason professor and authority on executive privilege, said the administration's stance "is almost Nixonian in its scope and breadth of interpreting its power. Congress has no recourse at all, in the president's view. . . . It's allowing the executive to define the scope and limits of its own powers."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/19/AR2007071902625.html

Son of a bitch.

(Geez. Don't get so worked up,guys. Bush just put Congress pretty much out of business.)

- as
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 11:57 PM
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1. GAME FUCKING ON! Inherent Contempt.
Edited on Thu Jul-19-07 11:58 PM by hootinholler
Send the Sargent At Arms to haul that little weasel Gonzales down to the Congressional Dungeon and get quaint with his ass.

Sauce for the Goose...
-Hoot
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 11:59 PM
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2. Bull fucking shit
That's the last fuckin straw. They've just effectively declared themselves to be above the law. Time to get them the fuck out of there now before they declare the boy king to actually be king.

Somebody better have the cojones to impeach these sorry mothafuckas or we're going to eventually find ourselves in a failed state scenario like Iraq with armed factions shootin it out in the street.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:00 AM
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3. Do I even need to say it?
The executive is out of control and out of their minds.

Impeach NOW.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:01 AM
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4. I see comment like that occasionaly here, don't over-react, I hope you enjoy venting, etc.
The truth is Congress is being invalidated, thus our Constitution, Republic, and the people, the people part is US


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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:03 AM
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5. You think I don't realize that?
I posted this story and watched it just about slide off the page. That's where that last comment came from.

- as
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:06 AM
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9. I know, I just wanted to acknowledge the complacency which you referred to /nt
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:07 AM
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10. Then there's only one option
and it wont be pretty.

I still have hope for Congress, they showed some teeth this week. Get ready, August is going to be an historic month.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #10
21. After the buzz off fletter I got from the Speaker this
week, I ain't holding my breath...
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:54 AM
Response to Reply #10
63. "August is going to be an historic month"???
You mean, with Congress taking the whole month off for vacation?

You think they'll cancel vacation for this? Really??
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:37 AM
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79. No I don't, but it doesn't matter. I'm not really talking about Congress.
It's going to be the month of American dictatorship with no opposition. By the end of August the public will be up in arms. Just a prediction, we'll see what happens.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:41 AM
Response to Reply #63
81. if they go vacation, that's it, it is up to us.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #63
144. THEY SHOULD CANCEL THE SUMMER RECESS . . .
too much opportunity for Bush/Cheney evils and mischief --
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lefador Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:02 PM
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164. You kidding???!!!
Do you know how much hard work is pretending to be an opposition party without the idiot DEM base catching up? They deserve their rest, you know how hard is going to have to sell the American people that their republic is dead? It is going to take the best discipline not to laugh when they send yet another strongly worded statement.
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Nunyabiz Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #10
139. Congress wont even be in session in August will they?
I thought these worthless slugs took all month off.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #139
161. The country doesn't shut down just because Congress is on vacation.
Screw em, it's still going to be a crazy month with the new King George in charge.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:04 AM
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6. They Are Always Two Moves Ahead Of The Dems.......
this is just more credence that what is going on has been planned and *Co knew exactly what it was doing since before the 2000 election and throughout this whole process and what it was going to do and invoke each step of the way.

This just means that we should all be afraid - be very afraid - of what is to come.

It's interesting *Co is using fear in the form of terrorists/Al Quaida/WMD/bombings etc to scare and control the majority of Americans and its using things like this assertion/signing statements/executive orders/executive privilege to scare and control the rest of us.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:14 AM
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14. I don't think BushCo planned for this
After losing the 06 election their "plan" has been to ignore all laws. That's not really a plan, it's more of a panic reaction, their last and only hope. I bet they originally planned on 90% approval ratings for the whole 8 years.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:52 AM
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45. I Here What You Are Saying But I'm Not Sure I Agree......
If they would have won '06 the outrage that is just now building would have come sooner. Now given all the signing statements, executive orders and invoking of executive privilege - even if the electorate gets outraged - it is probably too little - too late.

What if they let the Dems win knowing all along that it wouldn't be a total win. Remember the old saying win a battle - lose the war.

Sure the Dems took both houses - but where did it get us? Sure we've have committee chairmanships and hearings and investigations - but they haven't provided much mileage. *Co thumbs its nose up at us any chance they get. They obfuscate, obstruct, lie and when all else fails they just ignore. They get support and protection by the MSM - that never challenges them to any great extent. They know that the Dems wouldn't impeach. Wouldn't use the 'nuclear option'. And would be tentative to provoke a constitutional crisis.

Look at the votes. Not the majority needed to prevent a presidential veto - so they know that they are still in control every step of the way. But boy - we sure felt good when we won in '06 didn't we.

What's happened since '06. Scooter has been commuted. Gonzales is still in place. Cheney is still in his undisclosed location calling the shots - whether he is in the executive branch or not. Plame's civil case has been shot down. And now they are saying that they are above the law in the Bolton controversy saying the DoJ will 'never be allowed to pursue contempt charges.' The so-called Iraqi war ambles on. And now they are making overtures on Iran.

So in my mind there has been a master plan from the very beginning. And ya know - it looks like they have executed it flawlessly - as we haven't been able to catch them yet.

*Co still has over 500 days left in office. A lot can happen. What was I reading in another post - *Co maybe planning another 'gulf of tonkin' type event to scare the country back into submission. And this isn't coming from conspiracy theorists - its coming from some former and present high ranking officials.

I'm really surprised that Congress - at least the Dem side of it - has kept their composure throughout all of this. No one has really lost it and spouted off. I see people here on DU and I myself feel the "I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore" feelings. I'm frustrated. I'm outraged. And I'm also whipped, drained and quite frankly running out of fight. I see and sense this happening to other people on this board as well. But Congress that is dealing with this frustration on a daily basis hasn't gone ballistic yet. I can only hope that they will go ballistic and go soon. But what I'm observing is a group of Repug's that tow the Repug line and protect the pRes. And a bunch of Dems that go out of their way to follow protocol and do the right thing.

I keep hoping for a group of Congressmen/women and Senators to march over to the WH and tell * and Cheney to resign or suffer the consequences. I'm sorry to say that this group probably wouldn't be able to get into the WH to even see * and if they did - they would be told to pound sand.

Sorry for this rant. Thanks for letting me vent.







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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:52 PM
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141. i agree with you,
but this one clause i must take exception to: "And would be tentative to provoke a constitutional crisis."

it wouldn't BE the democrats provoking a constitutional crisis - the rogue, criminal, murderous gwbush admin has done it already. the democrats have just got to be ready to go to the mat FOR the constitution, but doing so would not and could not constitute the provocation for a showdown - it's the administration that has done so and this cannot be stressed enough.

probably just semantics, and you know that as well as i do. but allowing the dialogue to slide by allowing phrases such as that to go without comment is potentially disastrous and promoting that kind of rhetoric which is most likely a not insignificant part of the REAL evildoer's plot to take over the world for the rich white corporate fascists...y'know?
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #14
122. They've been planning this since the Nixon days. n/t
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:16 AM
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17. Even after six years of this insanity, the Dems still seem to be surprised and clueless
when the RWers/BushCabal pull this stuff. It's as if they're saying to themselves "They wouldn't dare!" and when *Co does dare, the Dems are running around like a kicked-over anthill. Either they're that much in denial, or else they're complicit, for whatever reasons.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #6
71. Yes sadly the dems play by Marquis O. Q. rules...
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 08:04 AM by ooglymoogly
and the pugs play by mafia rules....like trying to play chess against a mobster who after losing insists he was playing checkers and by some convoluted logic that he won and has a gun to prove it.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #6
103. Yes. I was going to post the same. I believe this stuff was planned a long
time ago...lining up political tools, allies, regulations, etc to harden the executive office against any oversight, accountability, investigation, prosecution. Not only have they effectively countered any attempt to moderate their extreme positions, I'm guessing they haven't even begun to pull out all the big guns. We have been, and still are, decades behind in planning, have our eyes closed for some reason, and (thankfully) we're miles behind in ruthlessness and low strategy. We are in a deep hole, deeper than we think.

Remember, one of the first acts of GWB was to seal presidential records for longer periods of time to lessen transparency. No accident...portent of things to come.

Not only is there no chance of any prosecution of WH officials, there is very slim chance that we'll get any substantive information out of anyone that would contribute to better understanding of how these guys operate. No accountability.

Unless, of course, there's impeachment. Or at least the THREAT of impeachment.
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lefador Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #6
155. Don't give them so much credit....
I think they are just power hungry tools used by foreign interests.

They are too dumb to be good at being any threat to anyone else other than the American public. Their approach is not sustainable: Rule #1 of nature is you don't shit where you eat from, and this is what these idiots are doing. If you ruin the country in order to control it, what is the point... you will control a piss poor irrelevant country. And there lies the beauty of how this country has been played like a fool.

We are self destructing, these idiots are borrowing money hand over fist to fight a war that is literally filing out our armed forces, which were our main claim as the only world superpower. Now, we were stupid enough to assume anyone challenging our power would do so directly and that would be squashed by our focused might, which at some point could be formidable. However, if you look at it... the move is a work of genius, and rightfully so... we are a dumbed out country and we thought the rest of the world would allow us to shit on them just because? That is fairly naive IMHO.

There are 3 main axis at work here, the Saudis/Iran, the EU/Russia, and Japan/China/India. Each of these three axis is giving us money, poor bastards that Bush et al are... they are taking it. They are shortsighted because they are just being tools, surely they are getting rich... they are literally giving away the country to foreign interests and they are doing so for a relative low price, that is how greedy these assholes are. If these fools think that they are being given the money for nothing, and soon they will get a rude awakening. A couple more years of this war, and the US of A will be literally in the same situation as the USSR was after Afghanistan: at the border of bankruptcy. Without any more relevant military and national infrastructure to speak of, what are we going to do? We are pretty much a paper tiger by now and the rest of the world knows it.

Surely these idiots will escape, but they will leave us with the hot potato. Irrelevant and back to where, according to the patient powers that be, we should have been. Seriously, do you think Europeans were willing to sit there having to tolerate a bunch of wasteful, loud, jackasses? Do you think China wants to play second fiddle and having to live in poverty to sell cheap shit to a country that produces nothing and owes them money? Do you think that the Saudis want us to meddle in their internal affairs and challenge their claim to leadership among the Arab country?

At least with this new reality there will be a somewhat balanced power distribution, the 90s were indeed our Pax Americana. Bush and Cheney are just somebody else's puppets, they are stupid and evil enough to think they are in control... but the best servant is he who thinks of himself to be the king.

Those who can get out do so now, those who have to stay... god help us poor bastards! It will be none the less quite interesting times that we are going to be experiencing soon.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:04 AM
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7. The Unitary Executive theory is terrifying, but from a historical standpoint
I have to say we live in some interesting times.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:05 AM
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8. Fine. INHERENT CONTEMPT! nt
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:08 AM
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11. Enough already. It is time.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:09 AM
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12. just when I thought the utter, shameless, fucking audacity
of this bunch had peaked, they top themselves.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:09 AM
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13. We are officially a dictatorship. Anyone expecting an election next year is living in a dream world.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #13
25. I think they will stage another election. It's easier to keep
people quiet that way. Worked the last two times.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:39 AM
Response to Reply #25
35. Perhaps they PLANNED to stage another election but the shit has already hit the fan.
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 12:39 AM by Swamp Rat
This is going to get ugly.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #35
39. I'm afraid so. And I'm really concerned about anyone in uniform
right now. This White House is no compunction about anything, let alone using US troops against the populace. :(
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #39
42. Did you see this video?:
"Inside the Surge

Tell me if you see any Al Qaeda involved…I see a terrorized old woman, civilian Iraqis killed and injured, including children, and American soldiers living in such a heightened level of stress that it is unimaginable to me that the DoD thought it a good idea to force them into extended tours.

Is this the progress? Is this winning against the terrorists? Do we have them on the run?

I hope that everyone of those immoral “party-over-country” Republicans (Joe Lieberman, that means you) that prevented a vote for the Reed-Levin Re-deployment bill have to sit down and watch what they have condemned our troops to."

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/07/19/inside-the-surge/
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #42
49. OMFG.
:cry:

We need to send this link to the mofos that voted against Reid-Levin every effen day until they stop this.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #49
51. We need to SEND BUSHLER TO IRAQ! ... let him ride around in a Humvee in 140 degree heat
for 15 months!


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #51
53. No joke! I'm sure he can find some brush to clear in RAMADI! Warning
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #39
75. Using US troops against WHAT populace?
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 08:47 AM by Wednesdays
I don't see anyone marching in the streets, do you? :shrug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #75
118. They had no problem militarizing NOLA after they drowned
as many people as possible, remember?
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #118
135. True, that
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 03:25 PM by Wednesdays
What I meant was, if no one even bothers to take to the streets, * won't even have to call out the military to preserve his dictatorship.
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lefador Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #135
165. Bread and circus, worked like a charm 2000 years ago... no reason why shouldn
At the end of the day, we are a society of narcisistic, lowly educated, selfish assholes.

There is a reason why we don't have universal health care, there is a reason why our government doesn't think twice about spending billions on a useless war rather than on its own people, there is a reason why we equate economic success with validation, there is a reason why to this day if we don't even know what the fucking death toll of Katrina is.

We are ugly, and we don't want to look at the mirror. At the end of the day, every society has the government they deserve. We deserve what we have, whether we like it or not. The problem is far deeper that Mr. Bush or Cheney's shenanigans... They are the symptoms... but it is the disease that we have ignored for far too long. And I am afraid that the disease is cancer...

Anyhow, nature is wise... The world will survive us
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #135
174. Or, we will, they will but it won't be on the 6pm news.
When I was a kid, I went to El Salvador. There were three government channels. It was so weird to me and I was so happy it was different here at home.

Welcome to El Salvador, 1968. :(
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #13
29. Not *quite* yet
First we need a case before the SCOTUS, ruled 5-4 in favor of the shrub, involving inherent contempt.

Then we will truly be a dictatorship in all but name. If elections are canceled, even that caveat falls off.

I appreciate the sentiment, though. It certainly does feel that way, doesn't it?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:14 AM
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15. Why do we bother calling this a free country any longer?
And we too believed we were free....

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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #15
18. Well, at least we still have the Internet
:scared:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #18
19. Not for long
I just sent that story to stacy taylor and bernie ward, and ray tal for later
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #19
180. Although here's possible good news on that front:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:15 AM
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16. Oh and letter to Pelosi
I had to edit it... for clarity



Madame Speaker,

On your letter of June 28th, 2007 you told me essentially to buzz off.

First off, that is not kind.

Second off, as the Speaker you will get letters from all over the United States. My letter to you was about Impeachment, which you have told us is off the table. I have news for you, Madame Speaker. The Citizens of this country want it, so bad they could taste it. Why? This is a nation of laws, or at least WAS a nation of laws. If nothing is done, then this Republic is dead.

If you cannot or will not do this, step down as Speaker of the House. You can be assured that we the people will continue to demand that you abide by your oath of office.

Here is it for you to refresh your memory…

OATH of OFFICE
The oath of office required by the sixth article of the Constitution of the United States, and as provided by section 2 of the act of May 13, 1884 (23 Stat. 22), to be administered to Members, Resident Commissioner, and Delegates of the House of Representatives, the text of which is carried in 5 U.S.C. 3331:
``I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.''
Oh and this is article four, section two of the US Constitution regarding Impeachment:


Article II
Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
If you cannot do this, step down, resign.

Oh and one last thing, I can guarantee that the Democrats will LOOSE the house and the Senate if you continue to refuse to do your Constitutional duty. You ARE our representatives, not those of the Corporations. If you are afraid of receiving Anthrax, like your counterparts did two weeks after 9.11, think of the 19 year old with an M-16 in Iraq. You think he is not scared shitless every time he goes over the wire? So, if that is your fear, step down, let somebody who will do what is required step up to the plate.

Of course if there have been threats from sources about actions to be taken if you, or the Congress, take constitutionally mandated duties. I will tell you a little secret. Tell us. Go on the TV, make that statement, and demand a full investigation. The best you can is going public. Nothing, and I mean nothing, drives the insects away faster than that. Of course, that assault on the House, Senate and the Media has yet to be solved. Perhaps the House of Representatives should open an enquiry into the Anthrax attacks. It is terrorism after all, and perhaps internal terrorism. Oh and in case you wonder, many in this country speculate if this is the true reason why our elected representatives have taken no action.

Sincerely

XXXXX
PS, this is a veteran’s household. To say that we are unimpressed is to put it mildly.

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:53 AM
Response to Reply #16
46. "...support and defend the Constitution" is not an ambiguous or flexible standard.
We can hold to that, and be done with this sorry phase.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #46
56. Trust me, I know
having taken a similar oath
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:20 AM
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20. W is pssing off his own party here too. Moving closer to the votes needed to impeach.
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 12:23 AM by caligirl
with Repugs practically begging him to support the Children's health insurance program and * making the mistake of refusing to, he has cast another stone in the impeachment pond.He's acting like the worst alcoholic in the world here, arrogance and pompousness beyond anyones ability to tolerate.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #20
95. PLEASE see the Rawstory article here....
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Oldline_Republican_warns_somethings_in_works_0719.html

Old-line Republican warns 'something's in the works' to trigger a police state
Quote:

"Roberts said that because of Bush's unpopularity, the Republicans face a total wipeout in 2008, and this may be why "the Democrats have not brought a halt to Bush's follies or the war, because they expect his unpopular policies to provide them with a landslide victory in next year's election."

However, Roberts emphasized, "the problem with this reasoning is that it assumes that Cheney and Rove and the Republicans are ignorant of these facts, or it assumes that they are content for the Republican Party to be destroyed after Bush has his fling." Roberts believes instead that Cheney and Rove intend to use a renewal of the War on Terror to rally the American people around the Republican Party. "Something's in the works," he said, adding that the Executive Orders need to create a police state are already in place.

"The administration figures themselves and prominent Republican propagandists ... are preparing us for another 9/11 event or series of events," Roberts continued. "Chertoff has predicted them. ... The National Intelligence Estimate is saying that al Qaeda has regrouped. ... You have to count on the fact that if al Qaeda's not going to do it, it's going to be orchestrated. ... The Republicans are praying for another 9/11."
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #95
97. "The Republicans are praying for another 9/11."
The GOP is sooooo deep in the Big Muddy.
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:07 PM
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178. And what's the next line?
"And the big fool said Push On" ?? It's been while. My folkie credentials are fading.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #95
101. i've read this over the past 2 or 3 days.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #95
102. Praying for another 9/11 -- How patriotic of the Repigs.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:05 PM
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123. They are provoking a confrontation!
Bush lead by Cheney are pulling a Rovian move. The Heat is on so do the unexpected: Create chaos, call for Marshall Law (The New Executive Powers Act) and avoid all legal and ethical challenges to them. It isn't outside, above our underneath them to do it looking at their track record.
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mattomjoe Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:12 PM
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126. Why would the ones who beat the "fight them over there so we don't
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 01:12 PM by mattomjoe
have to fight them here" drum over and over pray for another 9/11, even from a political standpoint??? Another 9/11-type in the US would only show how utterly incapable they are of defending this country.

:shrug:
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #126
179. You're assuming those people can use the reason God gave them.
But it stands to reason that conservative Biblical literalists would also accept anything they see or read in the CM at face value. They won't even be exposed to such a thought.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:23 AM
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22. FUCK!
This shit CANNOT go on! Use the fucking inherent contempt powers already.

AND START IMPEACHING PEOPLE!

If that doesn't happen then the states NEED to do something. I don't know what, but something! I'm open to ideas. WE CAN'T HAVE THIS SHIT! :banghead: :mad:
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #22
85. Maybe, there is Impeachment help from the states underway?
State Status
Alaska State Democratic party passes impeachment resolution NR7.
California San Francisco and Berkeley pass impeachment ballot measures in November 2006 election. Sebastopol passed 5/18/06. Impeachment forum held at Democratic Convention 4/29. Berkeley passes resolution 4/25/06. Fairfax 7/5/06. Koretz' AJR39 expired in 2006.
Colorado State Democratic party adds impeachment to platform on 5/20/06.
Connecticut Action in New London.
Hawaii Senator Les Ihara Jr. has introduced impeachment resolution SCR83.
Illinois Karen Yarbrough (D-Maywood) introduced HJR0125 in the state Assembly in 2006, Champaign/Urbana passed ballot initiative on Nov 7th
Indiana Lake Station rejects impeachment on April 13th.
Maine MaineImpeach.org is working on getting the state legislature to pass an impeachment resolution.
Massachusetts Amherst passes resolution.
Michigan National Lawyers Guild had a teach-in June 28th.
Minnesota ImpeachForPeach.org promoting Do It Yourself Impeachment
Missouri Jamilah Nasheed has introduced an impeachment resolution, HCR 46, on 3/29/07.
Montana Montanans for Impeachment leading the charge.
New Hampshire Hanover passes impeachment 111 to 42 on May 9th, 2006.
New Jersey North Jersey Impeach Group making good progress on state legislation.
New Mexico Senator Gerald Ortiz y Pino has introduced an impeachment resolution on 1/23/06. It passed Rules on 2/16.
New York Nyack votes unanimously for impeachment.
North Carolina Meeting planned for April 27th at Durham Main Library
Ohio Oberlin becomes first city in Ohio to pass resolution.
Oklahoma Oklahoma becomes 15th state to pass impeachment resolution at their state Dems convention.
Oregon Lots of activity in the Portland Area. State dems pass resolution in 2005.
Pennsylvania State Senator Jim Ferlo launches impeachment petition campaign drive.
Rhode Island US Senate candidate Carl Sheeler calls for state impeachment.
Texas Representative Lon Burnam filed HCR 154 on 3/19/07
Washington Senator Oemig introducing a state resolution SJM8016 on 2/14/07. Olympia considering passing a city resolution.
Wisconsin 2005 Democratic Party Convention passed a resolution.
Vermont Senate passes SR0016 calling for impeachment on 4/20/07! Dozens of cities and towns have also passed town measures.
Virginia Campaign underway to fly impeachment banners from airplanes.

source: http://www.impeachbush.tv/impeach/states.html

There are also resolutions from cities. Let's hope that the unacknowledged efforts of these brave souls will not continue to be ignored.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #85
91. FREE STATE OF THE CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC!!!!!!!
god I love my state. It's got the most impeachment of the rest :)
I swear California needs to go free state, and take the pacific coast
with it!
Those of you who don't live in California we are the ass of every joke and abuse west of the rockies<sp>!
We are abused by the feds, we get the least amount of federal monies per capita, and the list goes on.
FREE STATE! FREE STATE NOW!
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lefador Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #91
146. Nothing personal...
... but it makes complete business sense for California to leave the union than to stay in it.

I guess all the red states who made fun of us for so long, and who complain about the "nanny" government and are all for "free" enterprise will understand our reasons for leave their asses high and dry.

I am all for being patriotic and all, however I am not willing to be insulted constantly being called a "whore" by the red states and expect to pay to be fucked by them... Problem is that right now we have the son of an ex-nazi from Austria of all places as our governor. We have a fascist cabal heading Washington and a fucking Austrian in charge in California. Last time an Austrian was allowed to rule another country, we all know what happened.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #146
172. Hey don't forget WA and OR!
These are blue places too. Confederation of the West Coast! :)
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #172
182. I thought I said the CA republic? :)
That is the Pacific Free states!
In a couple sfi fi novels, California has split, and taken much of the western seaboard with it because f how DC treats us.

California becomes the free state of California, and there's the confederation of western states :) oh well i can dream :)
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #91
166. You must be smoking something
California receives the most federal dollars per capita in defense spending (the biggest part of the federal budget) http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=15797 For total receipts it is somewhere in the middle. Nevada is last in federal receipts.
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lefador Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #166
169. It is time to learn the difference between subsidies and welfare...
Making business with the federal government is not the same as getting a welfare check for being under the poverty.

The point is regarding the ratio of dollar contributed to dollar received back. It is mostly red states that sport ratios bigger than 1, i.e. net debtors to the common pot.

Again, normally I'd have no problem. We are all in this together, righ? It just gets annoying to be shit on by those who contribute less and speak the loudest.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:26 AM
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23. I think my head just exploded with white, hot anger!!!
:nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:26 AM
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24. Why aren't the Republicans worried? Do they know something we don't?
Is the fix in?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #24
27. Does the sun rise in the East?
I fear we are at the no elections in 2008 point

We just crossed the fucking rubicon, (we did in 2000, but now it is clear)
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #27
96. More people, including Republicans, are wondering if bush will allow
elections in 2008.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #96
168. I no longer wonder
you do not build all of this to turn it over to Hillary Clinton... serious...

And I hope I am proven wrong
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #168
177. If there is a fear of her, or any future president having such powers, we
should push to have some of those powers stripped and placed back into the hands of the other branches. Some should be abolished if they didn't exist before the junta's creative reading of the law.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #24
28. that is the key question. They must assume that the days of elections are over.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #24
31. Maybe we need to offer a blackmail reprieve to the Republics?
Offer immunity for all potential sex scandals if they vote to Impeach. Otherwise they'll do anything The Dick tells them.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:18 AM
Response to Reply #31
54. :kick:!!!! Now that should get some Reps on the DC Madam list to cross the aisle!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #24
83. they know something all right, they are going off the cliff too.
disgusting thugs. Vacation coming up, will they stay or will they go? then we the people will know where we stand, and hopefully we will stand together and do something.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:28 AM
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26. Will Congress respond with another strongly-worded letter?
They can then use it to wipe off their butts after bending over and dropping trou "at the pleasure of the pResident."

Complicit cowards and outlaws.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #26
30. Check the beaut I am sending Nancy
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 12:31 AM by nadinbrzezinski
but at this point

a) I don't expect elections in 2008, any excuse will do

b) if they were, who to vote for? The known quantity or the jelly fish?

Impeachment NOW

Oh and I will include the article and the strongly worded sugestion that she grows a backbone. Hell, she can use mine if she needs a backbone transplant
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #26
119. Either that or a non-binding resolution
Damn collaborators! :puke:
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:34 AM
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32. They're really making their fascist blitz this week, aren't they?
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 12:38 AM by Marr
And there's that word we've all become so familiar with. That euphemism for lawlessness and banana republic-style governance: "bold".
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:38 AM
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33. This is "almost Nixonian"?
Nixon was a mere amateur compared to this shit-head.

There's a new constitutional crisis every few days now.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:39 AM
Response to Reply #33
34. They were trained under Nixon
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #34
41. They learned well
And even managed to close up the few "loopholes" that brought Nixon down.

And one of those loopholes was the US Constitution.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #41
43. Yep, and I fear the other was not scaring the other side
I fear anthrax has all to do with this jelly fishes we have for reps
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #41
52. Another Theory Here - I Really Think They Thought 41 Would Beat Clinton And Take The Second Term....
with Bush 41 losing to Clinton and Clinton staying in office for 8 years - they had plenty of time to develop a plan - never to be caught off guard like that again. They went into 'think tank' mode and figured out a way that they could take back the pResidency and shut down any future surprises. That's why I say they are two steps ahead at every move. Think PNAC. Think Cheney. Think Poppy 41. Think of all those re-threads from the 41 administration winding up in 43's administration. They figured out how to steal the 2000 election. They had all their people in place. They figured out how to get the support of the American people and the Dems to get a foothold in the Middle East and support a war. They figured out a way to keep the people scared enough to win a 2nd term - no surprises in '04. They figured out a way to put their cronies in the right places - SCOTUS, DOJ, MSM - to provide cover and protection. There were so many coincidences in the last 6-7 years that it defies probability. Things just happened to happen and go their way. This has been 'choreographed' right from the get go.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #52
55. That is part of it, they acted like a governnent who
had been in exile the second they took over
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #55
147. Yeah . . .but you can also see it after Clinton is elected . . .
Obviously, they had planned the FIRST WTC ATTACK OF '93? TO OCCUR IN BUSH 41'S SECOND TERM ..
but it seems they went ahead with it anyway -- hoping they could pressure Clinton into attacking Iraq.

CLINTON SAID 'NO' TO THE PNAC MEMO . . .

******************************************************


And they recognized they hadn't used enough power --
Their plans to bring down the WTC didn't succeed -- the guy didn't put the car where it was supposed to go and overall the WTC were stronger than they understood.

The families who do demolition worldwide say that the 9/11 WTC demolitions are highly sophisticated -- with innovations they hadn't seen before -- and that probably it could only have been carried out by military demolition experts.



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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #147
159. Interesting theory
At the very least they could have their argument that they always trot out about it happening during Clinton's term.

I recall their glee after the Gulf War that they thought the Democrats would not even be able to run a candidate for President in 1992. That annoyed me so much, that I was thrilled to see them lose it after all. They deserved it.

They really do want one-party rule.
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #52
77. I think you nailed it.
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 09:26 AM by saddlesore
But then again, I am not above the occasional tin hat moment as people at DU will attest...and besides, I do believe that you have put forth the single most palatable conspiracy theory, ever.

edited for spelling...
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #52
92. Augmentation to your theory
My augumentation to your theory is this. Bush 41 campaign against Clinton collapsed because Bush 41 had a meltdown. Bush 41's state of health deteriorated during that campaign to a point that the 'kingmakers' feared what would happen if they carrying him across the ‘finish line’ and installed him a prez. Given this scenario, the area of uncertainty for me is, the second term of Clinton. Why did the planners need more time?
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #92
100. What the last straw w/41 was was when he rode around LA in a limo after the
Rodney King riots. The sight of that big black stretch limo tooling around LA post riots...that was soooo pathetic.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #52
99. Problem is you can't cover the lies forever and what goes around....
Well, you know 'their cronies in the right places' will have to be de-fanged.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #52
154. i think you're right on the money
their plan must be described as comprehensive, and has taken the position that the ends justify the means to deadly horrifying lengths.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:39 AM
Response to Reply #33
36. This is the Saturday Night Massacre on steroids.
Bush didn't just fire a prosecutor - he just unplugged the whole goddamn justice system.

- as
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #36
44. All hail King Bush
In his mind he can do anything he wants. He is bound by no law.

"He just unplugged the whole goddamn justice system" is exactly right.

Get off your asses Congress, by September it'll be too late.
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:08 AM
Response to Reply #33
50. I had the same reaction as you when I read that part............
These assholes are and have been exceedingly more brazen than Nixon every dreamed of being.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 08:33 AM
Response to Reply #33
73. Yeah, "Almost Nixonian" was an understatement if ever I heard one
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #73
114. Nixon was an Eagle Scout
compared to these demonic sociopathic criminals.

INHERENT CONTEMPT by hanging.
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:11 AM
Response to Reply #33
76. I believe the current puppetmasters cut their teeth...
during Nixon and Reagan's terms. Practice makes perfect.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #33
120. Nixon was almost Bushian. (nt)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:42 AM
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37. Oh yeah? Well, how about We the People REVOKE EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE?!
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 12:43 AM by Swamp Rat
This is raw abuse of power by a "man" who would be king!

We have a remedy for this.

It is called impeachment.



edit: I have yet to see evidence that George W. Bush is, in fact, a man.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #37
40. "We Do Not Consent" -- GuvWorld
:kick:
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:43 AM
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38. The Presidents Kim Jung Il I and II
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Mike Nelson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:54 AM
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47. It's long past time... WTF are they waiting for?
Cheney to get drunk and shoot a man in the face without a legal permit?
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:05 AM
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48. They must be hiding some truly heavy stuff
if they're willing to go to these lengths where Congressional subpoena power is totally shut down and the separation of powers is being completely redefined.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #48
148. And let's see how much resistance they're getting from the Democrats . . . ??????????????????????
Are they getting any -- ????????????????????????

CANCEL THE SUMMER RECESSS --

IMPEACH --

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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:30 AM
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57. Geebus
Everyone get your dialing fingers ready for morning. :grr:
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:51 AM
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58. WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK FUCK???
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:22 AM
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59. NOW HOW THE FUCKING FUCK AM I GOING TO GET SOME SLEEP?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:26 AM
Response to Reply #59
60. You had the same reaction?
jsut came from bed, cannot sleep either
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:43 AM
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61. Oh, you know it. . .this is really really bad
Anybody who's just heard the latest news and is sleeping soundly tonight has something seriously fucking wrong with them.

Am also listening to an mp3 of World Crisis Radio on GCN recorded earlier tonight, looking for possible answers.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:47 AM
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62. Well I am at the point of going
perhaps it is time to keep myself and mine and safe... and to hell with this kabuki theater

All I expect from Congress is a strongly worded letter.

This is checkmate... and yes, I will scream in joy if I am wrong, but so far they have played the republican game
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:00 AM
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64. Impeach - that's Nixonian Obstruction
fuck these fuckers
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:05 AM
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65. They don't even pretend any more.
The nukes cannot be very far behind this crap.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:07 AM
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66. Nancy thinks Bush is a great Guy!
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:18 AM
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67. How much longer do we have to put up with this crap?
America has had an explicitly anti-American, treasonous government for over six years now. The nation has been laid low. It will take a generation to recover from this debacle. And yet we can do nothing whatsoever about it. We have to just lie here quietly and be brutally raped by Cheney and his thugs over and over and over and over and over.

WHY?? I truly don't understand. It's like we're in a rowboat about to go over Niagara Falls and all we talk about is the new Harry Potter book. What on earth is wrong with us?
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:38 AM
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68. If they haven't done anything wrong, they don't have anything to worry about
How many times have we heard that in regards to warrentless wiretapping? I thought Sanchez laid out their rejection of executive priveledge very well.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:36 AM
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69. Arrogant
low life bastards. IMPEACH NOW!
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:40 AM
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70. So we'll hear Congress threaten to do something about this for the next few months ...
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 07:47 AM by Kablooie
and then the issue fades into the background.

At least that's all that has happened in the past 6 years to any of the horrors this administration has perpetrated.

To date not ONE SINGLE ISSUE has been seriously challenged. Simply bitched about.



That's why they do these things. They know that no one will do a damned thing about it.

I see no indication that anything has or will change.


Our Congress, Democrats included, have to be held responsible for the Bush administration.

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ProgressiveFool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:55 AM
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106. True that... ever since the revelations about warrentless wiretapping
The Dems should have been in constant opposition mode. That was already the straw that broke the camel's back - at this point we're trying to move forward with a broken camel.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 08:27 AM
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72. INHERENT CONTEMPT!
The House has the power to run their trial.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:16 AM
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88. INHERENT IMPEACHMENT!
hee hee sorry had to make some kind of joke this is depressing stuff!
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Flarney Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 08:38 AM
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74. Impeach.
Dammit. Thank you.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:31 AM
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78. Dictatorship. What else is it? The people have no power. n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 04:16 PM
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149. Government of the "people" has been throw in the waste bin with the Constitution --
And where are the Democrats -- ???????????????????

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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 05:01 PM
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157. Oh, are you referring to "that damned sheet of paper"?
Is this unreal? And, I too, would like to know where the Dems are. We are so screwed if they don't get moving on our problem president.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:40 AM
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80. Will Congress stand up to these thugs, their asses are on the line
too, or will they make a quick exit.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:45 AM
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82. they need to have the contemp proceedings in the house
bypass the freaking corrupt bush DOJ!
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:46 AM
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84. Is anyone going to bother to prove them wrong? - n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:06 AM
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86. Oooh I'm SO shocked.
Can't believe anyone didn't see this coming.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:15 AM
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87. IMPEACH!
THAT is SO fucking far OVER the line, he's on fucking MARS!
IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH!
STRIP the little shit of all his power, throw cheney in prison, and MELT the key into the lock so he cant get out!
I swore that I would NEVER< EVER give up my American citizenship status to stay here in Europe... I am seriously rethinking this position...

-A very pissed off patriot in exile!
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:38 PM
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167. You posted you were in California
a few minutes ago now you are in Europe?
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 02:17 PM
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181. I'm from california
currently living in Europe.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:16 AM
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89. You spelled 'pursue' wrong on your title and now it is on the front page!!
And we make fun of freepers who can't spell? Mods, can this be fixed?
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:04 AM
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109. Well, we're screwn, then.
Typos are hugh. I'm series. :)

- as
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:08 AM
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112. If it wasn't on the front page, it wouldn't be that big of a deal
I am sure the freepers have all seen it by now and are having a good time with it.
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flying rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:17 AM
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115. They won't figure it out.
we're safe. whew
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:17 AM
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90. Then hold the President in contempt
There is no such thing as executive privilege. If you disagree, please show me a Constitutional basis for it.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:25 AM
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93. Constitution?!
"It's just a goddamned piece of paper!" :eyes:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:27 AM
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94. I hope we see an immediate response from Congress...Inherent Contempt!!!
with IMPEACHMENT following on it's heels!
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:32 AM
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98. Fuck Nixonian. It is Caesarian. Hitlerian.
It threatens to fracture the Constitution and finish it off.

We are ruled by Fuehrerprinzip. No more and no less.

If the Democrats blink, goodbye Constitution, and I think this time for real.

If future Emperors wish to play President, that's heir business. But they don't HAVE TO.

Those days are almost up, if not already gone.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:04 PM
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132. What you said
As always.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:45 AM
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104. this is what happens when you enable this psychopath..
thanks for nothing, congress.
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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:54 AM
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105. This is just more of the same.
By all their statements and actions, these people declared themselves to be "above the law" a very long time ago. In fact, it was their plan before ever taking office.

What their plan and agenda consists of is basically a new form of government, instituted in steps and stages, with one step reinforcing another, each thus becoming self-justifying. This new government form is a type of fascism, but not classic in form. It utilizes a fascist structure to drive unbridled capitalism, ultimately driving most wealth into the hands of a ruling echelon, yet still maintaining a capitalistic basis. From this centralization of wealth and power will come the control for a "New World Order," allowing nations to do the work of managing their own problems but always subject to the NWO's authority and always to the NWO's ultimate benefit, in preference to their own country's.

In other words, why should this latest action surprise anyone?
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:02 AM
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107. just spoke with Conyers office
they say at this point that is a rumor that has not been substantiated. If it becomes real, they will act, but at this point they still don't have the votes in either the House or Senate.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:14 PM
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127. They will never have the votes
that is the dictat from the top

What the hell are they afraid off?

(Antrax comes to mind but you knew that)
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keith the dem Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:03 AM
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108. NO CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS UNTIL IMPEACHMENT STARTS
I get calls almost daily from congressional or party fundraiser. My reply now will be the above!
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:05 AM
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110. IMPEACH!! HE HAS BROKEN HIS OATH TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION!!!!

IMPEACH THEM BOTH

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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:06 AM
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111. Are you talking about impeaching Bush and Cheney?
If so, exactly how will that change anything? If you're talking about Gonzalez, I'm with you.
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Roy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:09 AM
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113. Well, the silver lining in the cloud.....
These criminals will have Keith Olbermann doing Special Comments daily.

This will enable the word on these thugs to filter to the public sooner.

I make sure that when people are in my shop the volume is up louder during KO special comments segment. Normally disengaged people start to then get in engaged, and more start watching the KO show at home, even calling me with comments.

Now if he can just get his producers to drop the format of the second half of show.
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:33 AM
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116. Bush used up what little political capital he earned in 2004.
Now he finds that he only needs to steal it with executive privilege, signing statements and fear mongering.

I do see one positive aspect to this latest information. Many of us here believe that the Supreme Court is firmly on Bush's side in his goal of establishing the unitary executive. This recent action by the Bush administration seems to run counter to that line of reasoning. It would seem that Bush doesn't want to chance his privilege claims with a trip into court even though a court win would be a tremendous vindication of his troubled administration. I just hope that many in Congress see this a justification for a push toward declaring inherent contempt of Congress.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:34 AM
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117. Will the MSM report this? No, their all-a-flutter about the new Harry Potter book
except for the rare exceptions, we don't have a news media any longer.
:grr:
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HonorTheConstitution Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:03 PM
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121. I thought we are riding a train towards a Nazi Dictatorship - But that is even worse welcome to the
BANANA dictuplic!
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:05 PM
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124. This, ladies and gentlemen, is a constitutional crisis.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:07 PM
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125. So I called my rep
and the staffer was nice, but didn't know what the fuuck I was talking about

If this was the local office, ok, the local fishwrap will not run this

But that was the DC office.

I go the feeling of... buzz off...

I tell you folks, I am starting to get teh feeling that Congress really does not care... or does not understand what is really going on

Oh and before anybody sasys it, she is supposedly a Dem
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BrainGlutton Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:34 PM
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128. Bring back the Office of Special Counsel!
I know Ken Starr defiled it, but it was a good idea to have an institution completely independent of the Administration that could investigate and prosecute crimes. Write your representative and senators!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 04:18 PM
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150. HOW ABOUT PATRICK FITZGERALD . . . AN HONEST REPUBLICAN????
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BrainGlutton Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 03:39 PM
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184. It won't happen a second time.
Not that there are no honest Republicans, but -- I misspoke earlier -- the agency that expired in 1999, and which empowered Ken Starr, was the Office of the INDEPENDENT Counsel, which was politically independent of all other agencies, including the White House. Its functions passed to the Office of SPECIAL Counsel, which is part of the Justice Department. The Bush Admin could have ordered the AG -- Ashcroft at the time, I believe -- to block appointment of a special counselor to investigate the Plame Affair, but they didnt -- a decision I'm sure they now regret. No way will they allow appointment of a special counsel to investigate the attorney-firings scandal. But if the Office of the Independent Counsel were revived (and sustained over W's veto), then it could investigate the matter, indict Miers for contempt of Congress, whatever, whether Bush said yea or nay.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:51 PM
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129. K&R. (nt)
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:01 PM
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130. Well, if a U.S. Atty. asks a grand jury for an indictment,...
...what exactly will Dubya do about it?
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:03 PM
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131. Inherent Contempt NOW
:grr:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:06 PM
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133. I guess it will take them pissing on the Constitution live on American Idol.
fucking unfuckingbelievable
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:51 PM
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140. On the contrary, that would make their poll numbers SKYROCKET
After Simon Cowell raves about how TERRRIFIC they were! :banghead:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:13 PM
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134. Must impeach Gonzo first
Congress won't be able to pursue investigations, appoint special prosecutors, anything, until they get Gonzo out of the way. He's completely politicized DOJ and will block anything.

Hi Stranger! :hi:
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 05:20 PM
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160. That's what I was thinking - Impeach Gonzales
As it is, the White House is likely to win an executive privilege claim if this goes to the courts. To overcome the privilege, Congress must show a valid legislative need for information. If the need is to pass legislation, the court has said full knowledge of facts of a prior event isn't necessary to legislate. Congress could claim oversight needs, but from the cases I've read so far that doesn't seem like that's enough to overcome the privilege.

Impeachment is the king valid legislative purpose. Facts about a prior event, the White House role in the firings, would be essential to an impeachment inquiry for Gonzales.

On top of that, Gonzales deserves to be impeached. Gonzales already told lots of lies under oath. Very few Republicans would defend him. The public would not sympathize with Bush for protecting a perjurer. And best of all, impeaching Gonzales might get some media attention brought to Bush's war against our constitution.

Bush would likely overplay his hand at some point and get himself impeached.
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ColonelTom Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:25 PM
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136. It's not even on CNN's front page. Anywhere. n/t
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:33 PM
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137. i wonder if the republicans understand that some day
all these new powers can be used against them?
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:57 PM
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145. Maybe that's the idea...
that only THEY will ever be in positions of power...
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:42 PM
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138. has congress responded to this at all?
before i allow myself to have a stroke i want to know my representatives in the senate and the house are as enraged as i am, and as every american citizen should indeed be. who could still doubt that the gwbush administration is peopled by rogues who have no use for the constitution, the will of the people, checks and balances, or the rule of law?

goodGAWD they sicken me
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:53 PM
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142. Outside of what look like responses in the WaPo article,
I haven't seen or heard anything today.

That's not to say that anything (or nothing) is happening - the media has done yeoman's work in ignoring this. But I would have had people out making a big deal out of this on any media outlet they could book.

Time's a-wastin'. If they wait too long to start doing anything about this, they'll be caught in the Media Catch-22 of 'Oh, that happened last week. That's old news.'

They better move on this pronto. The clock is ticking, and the longer bush's assertion is allowed to stand unchallenged, the more the media will accept their version as the version.

- as
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:54 PM
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143. This is a coup
Bush is now acting entirely outside the rule of law.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 04:19 PM
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151. ... like since day one ----
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 04:20 PM
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152. Anyone remember the GOP fascist rally at Miami-Dade Election HQs to stop the vote counting???
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 04:20 PM by defendandprotect
How many of us reacted and tried to do something -- ????

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 04:20 PM
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153. Coup was in 2000. This is just their public admission of their coup.
Time to send in the marshals. Inherent Contempt.

Pronto.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 04:45 PM
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156. These maniacs will leave the WHITEHOUSE when they are...
TAKEN AWAY IN HANDCUFFS
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 05:11 PM
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158. Geez, Nancy, how much more do you need?
How much longer before impeachment is 'on the table'?
Are you going to wait until Bush sets up the concentration camps? Are you going to wait till Bush starts his next hopeless war? Are you going to wait till the thugs come to take YOU away to the camps?
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lefador Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 05:59 PM
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163. According to the speaker of the house, Mr. Bush is a fine patriot and the son of an American hero...
... but the denial level of most Democrats is beyond words.

But rest assured it is all fault of Cindy for making noise, how dare she!

Or Mr. Nader's pointing out that both parties are different sides of a coin. But he is the problem, after all he in some sort of supernatural way enabled Mr. Bush's presidency. And never mind that a vote for Gore was a vote for Lieberman, which turned out to be oh... so different from a republican, right?

I can't wait for the next strongly worded letter to yet another Bush official giving the people who they are supposed to serve the middle finger. All in time for summer recess... you know that they need those 4 weeks to recover from their last allnighter! I mean, it is hard work to pretend that they are an actual opposition.


I love the contortions that the die hard Dem base have to go through in order to keep their blind folds on, you have been played like a fiddle. Just like the GOP base has been used by Rove et al. Wake up and smell the roses, could you please point me at the difference between a GOP congress and a DEM one? Other than the surge happened under Dem control?
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 08:47 PM
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173. Some differences in the brief time Democrats
have held the majority.

INTO LAW
support timetables to bring our troops home from Iraq—VETOED BY THE PRESIDENT OVER THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE
provide critical support for veterans, military health care and military readiness—SIGNED INTO LAW
provide the largest increase in support for veterans’ services in history—PASSED THE HOUSE
require quality care for our wounded warriors—PASSED THE HOUSE
i finally implement 9-11 Commission recommendations, three years later—PASSED THE HOUSE AND SENATE
provide 3,000 new border patrol agents and tougher aviation and port security—PASSED THE HOUSE
provide emergency wildfire funding—SIGNED INTO LAW

RESTORE ACCOUNTABILITY


restore pay-as-you-go budget discipline for the first time in six years—DONE
pass a budget that balances by 2012 with no tax increase—DONE
impose rules for the highest ethical standards in Congressional history—DONE
pass the most sweeping lobby reform effort in a generation—PASSED THE HOUSE AND SENATE
restore strong Congressional oversight, saving billions, exposing corruption and incompetence—ONGOING
clean up government contracting with reforms to end waste, fraud, and abuse—PASSED THE HOUSE
provide more protections for whistleblowers who save tax dollars—PASSED THE HOUSE
bring overdue assistance to Gulf Coast communities—SIGNED INTO LAW
remove politics from influencing the appointment of U.S. Attorneys in the wake of White House scandal—SIGNED INTO LAW

GROW OUR ECONOMY


increase the minimum wage for the first time in a decade—SIGNED INTO LAW
send overdue disaster aid to American farmers and ranchers—SIGNED INTO LAW
create innovation scholarships for 100,000 math and science students and 25,000 highly trained math and science teachers—PASSED THE HOUSE
double basic research and development funding—PASSED THE HOUSE AND SENATE
create incentives for small business innovation investments—PASSED THE HOUSE

STRENGTHEN OUR FAMILIES

provide emergency assistance to ensure children receive quality health care through SCHIP (State Children’s Health Insurance Plan)—SIGNED INTO LAW
require Medicare to negotiate cheaper prescription drugs—PASSED THE HOUSE
prevent health care discrimination based on inherited conditions—PASSED THE HOUSE AND SENATE
expand medical science through stem cell research—VETOED BY THE PRESIDENT OVER THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE
cut student loan interest rates in half and crack down on lending abuses—PASSED THE HOUSE
improve and expand Head Start preschool—PASSED THE HOUSE AND SENATE
convene the National Summit on America’s Children—aligning policies with cutting-edge science—DONE
put 50,000 new police officers on the street—PASSED THE HOUSE
facilitate states in reporting criminal and mental health data for gun purchase background checks—PASSED THE HOUSE

PRESERVE OUR PLANET


by July 4th, deliver a wide-ranging Energy Independence Day initiative to strengthen our national security, create new American jobs, and reduce global warming—REPORTED TO HOUSE
repeal $14 billion in taxpayer subsidies to Big Oil to be reinvested into clean alternative energy and energy efficiency—PASSED THE HOUSE
fight gas price gouging and OPEC price fixing—PASSED THE HOUSE AND SENATE
direct $3 billion to curb global warming and spur renewable energy—PASSED THE HOUSE
develop a plan to Green the Capitol, reducing the carbon footprint 50%—DONE
expand our efforts to ensure safe drinking water—PASSED THE HOUSE
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A New Direction: Democratic Accomplishments 06/29/2007

Greening the Capitol Final Report 06/21/2007

A New Direction: The First 100 Days of the 110th Congress 05/25/2007

Innovation Agenda 04/27/2007

Greening the Capitol Initial Report 03/01/2007
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:32 PM
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176. Don't get me wrong...
I don't like Cindy either.
Or Nader.
Either way...Bush could wipe his ass with the Constitution if he wanted to (figuratively, he already has) and could get away with it.
It's past time for the Dems to put up or shut up, but there's still time.
For now...
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 05:55 PM
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162. Let's just call them all home and give their salaries to PNAC and
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 05:55 PM by higher class
the Barons. We can even give their offices to PNAC staff like the Feith and Franklin types. Maybe Warner and Hatch and Normie can go to work at the Pentagon.
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That Is Quite Enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:53 PM
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170. I don't care what you do...
Inherent Contempt, Impeachment, it doesn't matter. Just do something, anything to drag these criminals to jail. :mad:
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 08:27 PM
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171. Tell your friends, call those on the airwaves, LTTE's, CALL YOUR REP (you only need 2 numbers)
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 08:35 PM by BleedingHeartPatriot
To call your rep.

1-877 851-6437
1-800 828-0498

MKJ
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:11 PM
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175. This is the straw that broke the camel's back!
We shouldn't put up with this crap for one more day!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 02:45 PM
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183. Whoah I'm afraid its written down in the constitution
that if Congress finds him in contempt a Special Counsel is appointed and grand jury brought in

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