Not even the neo cons are so evil as to 'stage' a terror attack, are they?

[Philosoraptor]

I mean, NOBODY could be THAT evil, could they?

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. YES

Evil can be that evil... there is no limit to evil... and what we have in charge are evil people

That is part of the problem... good people are incapable of wrapping their heads around the nature of evil

There are many historical examples of when evil was not undesrtood, and it didn't end well

[Cooley Hurd]

2. Opreation Northwoods:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of simulated or real terrorism and violence on US soil or against US interests, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro. As part of the U.S. government's Operation Mongoose anti-Castro initiative, the plan, which was not implemented, called for various false flag actions, including simulated or real state-sponsored acts of terrorism (such as hijacked planes) on U.S. and Cuban soil. The plan was proposed by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders, including the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Louis Lemnitzer.

The main proposal was presented in a document entitled "Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba (TS)," a collection of draft memoranda written by the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) representative to the Caribbean Survey Group.<1> (The parenthetical "TS" in the title of the document is an initialism for "Top Secret.") The document was presented by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13 with one paragraph approved, as a preliminary submission for planning purposes.

The previously secret document was originally made public on November 18, 1997 by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board,<2> a U.S. federal agency overseeing the release of government records related to John F. Kennedy's assassination.<3><4><5><6><7> A total of about 1500 pages of once-secret military records covering 1962 to 1964 were concomitantly declassified by said Review Board.

More at link...

[MonkeyFunk]

11. and Northwoods was never implemented

I'm sure there's all sorts of crazy ideas committed to paper. It doesn't mean they get used.

[Cooley Hurd]

12. It wasn't implemented because we had a sane President...

...unlike now.:(

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. I was going to point that out

but that is icky history...

[Virginia Dare]

25. Good point, or should I say bad point?...n/t

[bananarepublican]

27. IT WAS APPROVED BY THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF!!!! n/t

[ShortnFiery]

3. We should be afraid of not JUST the neo-cons but the budding creation of an all-powerful

Unitary Executive Branch. One BRANCH having UNILATERAL CONTROL over Our Nation will undoubtedly nurture UN-Impeachable cronyism and corporate control within both of our major parties - regardless of whether there is SPECIFICALLY a Democratic OR Republican Presidency elected come November 2008. :wow: :scared: :grr: :nuke:

We must FORCE our Congress to Impeach Now or else prepare for the imminent rule of fascism. That is, a country RUN by a Unitary Executive, by the Corporations comprising The Military Industrial Complex.

In other words Ike's 1960 words ring true now more than ever. If we don't ACT NOW, our children and children's children will suffer untoward hardships due to ABSOLUTE "ruling class" power. :(

[lvx35]

4. One word: HISTORY

'nuff said.

[Decruiter]

5. Did you forget your sarcasm emoticon? Here, let me help you.

:sarcasm:

You did forget it, right?

[Philosoraptor]

6. Sarcasm died 6 years ago, along with irony.

[Decruiter]

10. Well at least it's Friday...... TGIF dear one. I know you must be having a

bad night/morning to say what you just did.
Sarcasm can not ever die nor can irony. Remember Bill Hicks.
Revel with Lewis Black (his rant about a Starbucks on every corner in Houston will make you smile, I promise!)

Peace.

:grouphug:

[HughBeaumont]

7. People really cling to that belief, however incorrect and naive it may be.

Their greed knows NO bounds. They've proven they give not ONE iota to the welfare of anyone making less than $200,000 per year, as their administration is void of any accomplishments to advance that group. 9/11, arguably caused by their inaction and ignorance (and I and many others think, their doing), still remains unavenged even counting the ridiculous Repuke notion that Iraq and Afghanistan had anything to do with said tragedy.

[radfringe]

8. NOBODY could be THAT evil

they are and I'm surprised we haven't had one already:


http://www.americanfreepress.net/12_24_02/America_Pearl_Harbored/america_pearl_harbored.html

“The process of transformation,” the plan said, “is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor.”

American Free Press asked Christopher Maletz, assistant director of the PNAC about what was meant by the need for “a new Pearl Harbor.”

“They needed more money to up the defense budget for raises, new arms, and future capabilities,” Maletz said. “Without some disaster or catastrophic event” neither the politicians nor the military would have approved, Maletz said.

The “new Pearl Harbor,” in the form of the terror attacks of Sept. 11, provided the necessary catalyst to put the global war plan into effect. Congress quickly allocated $40 billion to fund the “war on terrorism” shortly after 9-11.

======================

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/pearl_harbor.htm


But, in order to unleash their foreign/military campaigns without taking all sorts of flak from the traditional wing of the conservative GOP -- which was more isolationist, more opposed to expanding the role of the federal government, more opposed to military adventurism abroad -- they needed a context that would permit them free rein. The events of 9/11 rode to their rescue. (In one of their major reports, written in 2000, they noted that "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor.") 


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http://mathaba.net/news/?x=558080

Paul Craig Roberts: 'Impeach Bush and Cheney NOW Before it is Too Late'


The German Parliament, which was set on fire to create the pretext for emergency rule by Adolph Hitler.


(LPAC) - George Bush has already signed the necessary orders to create a full-blown police state, which would be triggered with his declaration of a national emergency following a false flag terrorist attack. So says Paul Craig Roberts, in a piece appropriately entitled "Impeach Bush And Cheney Now."

Roberts says that what is in preparation are a series of "staged or permitted" false flag attacks on American soil, which would then be "spun by the captive media" into a crisis demanding emergency suspension of Constitutional safeguards on civil liberties. The administration has already attempted (unsuccessfully) to raise the "fear level" by infiltrating groups and working to increase the level of terrorist "chatter."

[aquart]

9. Yes, they are, but it won't make a difference for them.

Stop focusing on terror. IT'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL. Really. Overseas, they have terror strikes all the damn time. They don't go to pieces like we have.

No terrorist ever destroyed a city. Katrina and George Bush did.

If George and his buddies blow something up, it means they can't keep us safe anywhere. They lose.

They drop hints and you run and hide under the bed. Stop that. It's silly and you haven't dusted.

[fasttense]

14. Let's look at what Dicky boy has done already.

Our VP ignored numerous threats that 9/11 was going to happen. He allowed over 3,000 American citizens to die. He authorized torture. He authorized the leak of an undercover CIA agent merely to silence a critic. Some say, he was behind the anthrax letters. He allows American citizens to be capture on the streets, imprisoned and tortured for life, with no appeal to a trial. He ignores laws and regulations. He has no respect for Congress or the Constitution. He concocted fake intelligence in order to start a war. Almost 4,000 of our troops have died fighting in a civil war for no apparent reason. Millions of Iraqis have died for no apparent reason. He is still receiving compensation in the forms of millions from a no-bid contractor in the war.

What's a little fake bombing and killing of American citizens compared to what he has already done?

When a president's poll numbers are this low, historically the party he is aligned with will lose all majorities and not hold a position of power for well over ten years. Do you think Cheney is going to sit back and lose all he has so carefully accumulated? Will Dicky boy hand over the power without doing anything? Will Rove simply sit on his hands as the 100 year reign of the republican power goes down the drain? I think they have a plan.

Can you just hear the decider saying, "If the Democrats in Congress had allowed me to run the war the way I wanted to, we wouldn't have had another terrorist attack. If those civil liberties organizations had not fought me every step of the way in my war on terror, there wouldn't have been another terrorist attack."

Oh yeah they have a plan up their sleeve and it has nothing to do with protecting this country.

[Karenina]

15. Is this a trick question?

:freak:

[B Calm]

16. They ignored all the warnings before 9-11....

[Rosemary2205]

17. They already did - Anthrax.

[genie_weenie]

18. And now is the part were I, relive you, the litle people

of the burden of your frail and useless lives. But as my Dick Cheney said, if ya gotta go, go with a smile...

[Hubert Flottz]

19. If you believe that you are doing what I'd call a Dave Vitter...

Shitting Yourself!

[BOSSHOG]

20. They've done it once already

bush and his PNAC band of pirates just sat back and waited until the terrorist attack they were told was coming came. Then they used fear and instilled fake patriotism in ignorant Americans to start whittling away at the constitution; and had a basis to go to war. War - it must be a conservative value. Its really quite sad to be a "conservative" in America today.

[Lint Head]

21. Events have been staged to start wars before.

Don't kid yourself that it can't happen again. :dem:

[youngdem]

22. They have done at least one I STRONGLY suspect (anthrax)

And probably knew something was coming in August 2001 when Ashcroft and others received an order they quit flying commercial planes - especially after a little briefing - the Osama Bin Laden PDB.

No question - these men have and will again commit actions that inevitably result in the deaths of the innocent in pursuit of their insane goals.

[DrDan]

23. I don't think so . . . but

they are certainly capable of leaving the borders open . . . and pissing off the terrorists to the point of retaliation . . . and ignore more daily briefs

I think they are completely capable of that

[Virginia Dare]

24. For all of you people who don't believe that the U.S. government..

would attack it's own citizens...



Tin soldiers and Nixon's comin'.
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drummin'.
Four dead in Ohio.

Gotta get down to it.
Soldiers are cutting us down.
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her and
Found her dead on the ground?
How can you run when you know?

Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na.
Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na.
Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na.
Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na.

Gotta get down to it.
Soldiers are cutting us down.
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her and
Found her dead on the ground?
How can you run when you know?

Tin soldiers and Nixon's comin'.
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drummin'.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.

[Marrah_G]

26. They don't need to stage one

There are enough whacked out jihadists out there now that want some serious payback for what we are doing in Iraq. All the Administration has to do is sit back and look the other way on intelligence reports.

I would give an example but the wording might land the SS on my doorstep...

:hide:

[EFerrari]

37. Richard Clarke agrees with you and so do I. They done everything

but put out welcome mats. :mad:

[shadowknows69]

28. Ummm, probably

The evils of Satan I learned of in Sunday school don't hold a candle to these demons. Al least Lucifer has the motivation of destroying God's creation because of a centuries old grudge. The Bush cartel will gleefully kill us all for no good reason. Except maybe the money they won't have anywhere to spend once they devastate civilization.

[soothsayer]

29. Of course. It's called "sparkle" in the intel community. Russia blew up

all their own apartment buildings and blamed (who was it? the chechnyans or someone?). It's a real thing that people in power really do.

[mitchum]

30. Evil men do evil things

[sinkingfeeling]

31. Absolutely, if they see it as the only way to 'stay the course' of their dream empire.

[dkofos]

32. They already did. 9/11/2001

[roamer65]

33. I trust Paul Craig Roberts on this one.

The man is making sense right now.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

34. I think you mean... "another terror attack"

Answer: Yes, without a doubt.

[Corgigal]

35. It all depends how bad

Bush and Co want to get their war on with Iran. Guess we will see this fall.

[Philosoraptor]

36. ................

[Ezlivin]

38. Recall Anthony Perkin's last lines in "Psycho"?

"I'm not even going to swat that fly. I hope they are watching. They'll see. They'll see, and they'll know, and they'll say... (as he slowly raises his eyes to meet ours, smirking) 'Why, she wouldn't even harm a fly!'"

We all believed that line, right?

[applegrove]

39. I don't believe they are that evil. Though they are evil enough to

not concentrate of bin Laden so they have the time to "remake the middle east as democracies". That means expanded wars everywhere. And that is pretty evil.