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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:06 AM
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'The GOP Is Praying For A Terrorist Strike To Save The Party'
JESUS WEPT!


“Or Face the End of Constitutional Democracy
Impeach Now

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

Unless Congress immediately impeaches Bush and Cheney, a year from now the US could be a dictatorial police state at war with Iran.

Bush has put in place all the necessary measures for dictatorship in the form of "executive orders" that are triggered whenever Bush declares a national emergency. Recent statements by Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff, former Republican senator Rick Santorum and others suggest that Americans might expect a series of staged, or false flag, "terrorist" events in the near future.

Many attentive people believe that the reason the Bush administration will not bow to expert advice and public opinion and begin withdrawing US troops from Iraq is that the administration intends to rescue its unpopular position with false flag operations that can be used to expand the war to Iran.

Too much is going wrong for the Bush administration: the failure of its Middle East wars, Republican senators jumping ship, Turkish troops massed on northern Iraq's border poised for an invasion to deal with Kurds, and a majority of Americans favoring the impeachment of Cheney and a near-majority favoring Bush's impeachment. The Bush administration desperately needs dramatic events to scare the American people and the Congress back in line with the militarist-police state that Bush and Cheney have fostered.

William Norman Grigg recently wrote that the GOP is "praying for a terrorist strike" to save the party from electoral wipeout in 2008.
Chertoff, Cheney, the neocon nazis, and Mossad would have no qualms about saving the bacon for the Republicans, who have enabled Bush to start two unjustified wars, with Iran waiting in the wings to be attacked in a third war.” Cont…

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts07162007.html
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:07 AM
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1. And they will probably provide one!
I have a really bad feeling about this.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:12 AM
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2. That's twisted thinking!
If there's another attack on the US, all that means is that all the restrictions on our rights, snooping, spying, and torturing didn't do ANYTHING and the Pubs had the wrong plan to protect her citizens!
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:28 AM
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13. Of Course It's Twisted
Why would we expect anything else? The problem is that their twisted thinking and schemes prevailed for so long and they are counting on it doing so again. The old Rove's playbook thing. But just as he was wrong about 'the numbers' I believe they'll be wrong about this. And should there be a fake, or otherwise, act of terrorism here, the very argument raised by you and others will be the remedy. Voices will have to be raised to screaming level.
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:11 PM
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24. You just came up with an excellent talking point; please start
a new thread with that.

Even if you were saying it sarcastically, there's absolute truth to it and the citizens of the U.S. need to hear that over and over again: that if we should get attacked, like they seem to be prepping us for with their propaganda of late, then that seems to be the perfect anybody's speculation that it's going to happen. I don't know if I'm saying that very clearly but you make an EXCELLENT point.

Up til now that has been their excuse for all these power grabs and since fear is their only argument (besides demonizing "libruls") - i.e. "We'll protect you when terrorists attack" - and if what you said gets into the consciousness of the public starting now, there's a chance that people won't fall for it later.

Thanks for bringing up something I hadn't really thought through. Please repeat it far & wide and I'll do the same.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:00 PM
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26. Thanks for the compliment, but I wasn't being sarcastic!
If you think about it, it's true! It would be no more than another Shrub effort that FAILED! Yu.re right, he's used 911 as his EXCUSE for the BIG POWER GRAB, and although I sure don't want to see it happen, if there were another attack, it would be proof that he again went down the wrong damn road!
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 02:36 PM
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27. good luck getting that message out with the country in lock-down
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 02:37 PM
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28. Well the GOP is full of twisted thinkers.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 04:20 PM
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39. They will say there wasn't snooping, spying and torturing, that dems & libs got in the way, etc
Just as they blame their failure to prevent 9/11 is blamed on everyone but those in power as well as their failures to 'liberate' Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:12 AM
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3. I'm just now listening to his conversation with Thom Hartmann yesterday...
where he said the very same thing...

'The GOP is praying for a terrorist strike to save the party'
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:12 AM
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4. I don't get the logic.
If there is another "terror" attack against US interests, especially if it happens in the "homeland", that would serve to show even the most die-hard winger that *'s tactics aren't working.

The only possible way an attack would help the GOP is to give them an excuse to implement martial law and cancel the elections.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:21 AM
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10. This is republiCON logic...
I have always said that this is stupid some here at DU have been discussing this for a couple of years now,the way they (CONS) will use it to say that because we spoke against the war we caused and they have been saying for a few years now "we will be attacked but we don't know when" they have been saying this to shield Bush when we say "If we are fighting them over there then how is he protecting us'because we have been attacked once again."
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:24 AM
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11. It will work, and i'll tell you why
everybody in the media will start screaming long & loud and over and over again that we must rally 'round our president in this time of crisis. Anybody who speaks out will either be ignored or shouted down and threatened. Nobody will dare question our War President in this time of crisis.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:35 AM
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16. Absolutely
The American Idol loving public will willingly believe what the teevee tells them to believe.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:45 AM
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19. I will, and so will thousands upon thousands of others.
I will NEVER live in fear of the 28%ers OR their bootlicking wrongheaded opinions. If anyone else does, they deserve whatever comes to them.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:10 PM
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23. It won't matter
If the media can ignore a million people in Washington DC protesting the war, they can certainly ignore smaller groups of protesters who assemble locally (assuming the internets are restricted and monitored like in China and prevent large mass events that are promoted online)



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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:35 AM
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15. No, it would reinforce the threat of "them" coming over here to attack
"us" - and assuming it is a major attack, at least on the level of OK City, it WILL rally the country. Fear and outrage will trump reason every time. Six months later some of the stampeded citizens will begin asking why the attack wasn't prevented, but in the short run Bushco would have it all their way.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:56 AM
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22. Not necessarily so
Having another "terrorist attack" would allow Bush to declare a national emergency, institute dictatorial powers and quell dissent. It would, with the media's help, throw most people into a blind panic, ratchet up the "rally 'round the flag" sentiment, and quite possibly have people welcoming the new American dictatorship. Hell, I read a poll here on DU a couple of years ago that stated that a solid majority, in the high fifties, low sixties, would welcome martial law in the event of another "terrorist attack". And neo-con logic isn't all that great to begin with. They would probably somehow blame those "damn libruls" for "weakening our resolve" and "coddling terrorists" for daring to want the war to end.

Sad to say, such an "attack" would only help Bushco.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 02:52 PM
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30. Unfortunately, logic and RWers aren't a good match.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:12 AM
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5. If terrorists attack us, it would prove
the Bush administration did not keep us safe.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:13 AM
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6. They would better off praying one doesn't strike
because another terrorist attack in this country will provide proof that all the money that should have gone to security has been pocketed by corporate cronies and that this administration has done NOTHING for our safety but plenty for our inconvenience.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:31 AM
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14. They've run out of ideas on how to manipulate public opinion.
Nothing works anymore and the only ideas they can come up with are Hail Mary's. They still have the media machine but it's stuck in a ditch and they need help to get it out. They are desperate if they think an attack is going to give them a push but it's all they can come up with. Any attack right now would cause the public to turn even more against them because the public sees the war for the distraction it is. They have been using Osama as a propaganda tool too long. The only thing that can help them now is to produce his dead corpse.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:15 AM
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7. "A year from now".....???????
He's obviously not paying attention.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:39 AM
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17. The indications would be for an attack within the next few months,
followed by martial law and 'retaliation' against Iran - meaning that a year from now we will still be under martial law, still be in Iraq, and also embroiled in Iran. He's not saying it will start a year from now, but that in a year it will be fait accompli.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:15 AM
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8. September
for months now, all things are pointing to September.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:17 AM
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9. The only thing they have left is the 'successful protection of the Fatherland'
. . .oops . . . Homeland' card, and that is popped with an attack.

Yes, they would try to blame it on the Dems, Clinton, etc etc etc, but it will not stick.

The American people are tired of the 'War on Terror', public opinion that a change in course is needed is gaining momentum, and an attack would simply accelerate this movement.

About the only 'rally round the flag' event that I can see working in their favor would be an unprovoked major attack by a State actor, such as Iran sinking a ship, with incontrovertible evidence that the State actor staged the attack.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:27 AM
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12. Who's really helping the terrorists now?
Hmmmm...?
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:41 AM
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18. Given that the lack of attack since 9/11 was considered proof that Bush protected us.....
.... how would an attack now also work for the GOP? By blaming it on Dems who have yet not been able to limit W in any way?
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:45 AM
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20. The way Bush has defined National Emergency (or rather NOT defined it)
leaves it completely open to HIS determination. It could be a tornado hitting D.C., a snowstorm somewhere in New England, a blackout in California, another spinach scare (or Texas cattle infected with anthrax :think: ), literally ANYTHING. Of course any number of natural disasters that he deemed is a national disaster would mean that God is a terrorist. LOL!
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:47 AM
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21. They've done it before...why not again?
I don't know which pisses me off more...the fucking criminal lunatics running this country into the ground, or the ball-less bastards in the opposition party that refuse to stop him...
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:16 PM
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25. I've been thinking for a long time that there will be some excuse
...to suspend elections next year. I once thought expressing such an idea would label me a tin-foiler, or worse, but now I'm just about convinced that it will happen.

Just curious...someone once put together a list of all the elements needed to create a fascist regime. I used to have it somewhere. I wonder how many more we have to go to check off ALL the essentials on that list? I imagine we are two or three steps away from it.

How bad can it get? Methinks we ain't seen NOTHIN' yet.

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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 02:05 AM
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46. the 14 points of fascism--you can google it. eom
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 02:47 PM
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29. K&R.
Call your elected ones...demand impeachment.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:21 PM
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35. Just Did, Again
I have lost count of how many phone calls and emails I have made to my Congresswoman about this.

While I still hope against hope, it is looking more and more to be the case that we were allowed to take Congress because it no longer has any power.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:29 PM
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37. Actually there's some evidence that some elections were ca-jiggered
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 03:29 PM by Kurovski
to win for the Repubs. The overwhelming turn out for Dems slowed the theft. The pukes most definitely wanted to win, if only to keep impeachment off the table...oh...wait..um...

If anyone here can add more, please do. I'm freaking exhausted right now.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 02:56 PM
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31. When you're as close to Gawd as they are, sometimes you get ...
... what you pray for (particularly when you've never minded giving Gawd a hand now and then.)

The only reason I hope there is an after-life is that I don't think we can make Republi-Nazis suffer enough in this life.

But I have a "gut feeling" that they do have it coming. Soon.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:00 PM
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32. The Lord helps them who help themselves.
And he Puggies have been helping themselves to everything in sight.
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:03 PM
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33. Let's hope thay are just praying for one
and not planning one. I put nothing, NOTHING beyond this band of snakes.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:16 PM
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34. Too bad he had to mention Mossad...

this opens up the can of worms that the impeachment movement is somehow anti-semitic.

I'm wondering, what's happening in Saudi Arabia that's causing their rulers to want to ally with Iran?
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:27 PM
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36. Oh stop!! That would only hurt the GOP, not help it.
People would say that they obviously can't keep us protected, that everything we should have learned from 9/11 and should have implemented obviously isn't being done and that the GOP is full of sh*t. NOT having a terror attack against Americans between now and the election is the best thing that the GOP can hope for, might be the only good thing going for them.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:44 PM
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41. Poll numbers would mean nothing if martial law were declared...
that is, IF poll-taking were lawful anymore. :scared:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:26 PM
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45. Oh, now you're just being silly. Very.
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ryanus Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 04:07 PM
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38. The Lord helps those who help themselves
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 05:44 PM
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40. emailed this article to both my senators...
told them they needed to see it.
They probably won't, but their staffers will...and if their D.C. staffers are anything like their local ones, they will probably be informed of the gist...
I hope.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:03 PM
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42. I Think It Is Also Important To Point Out Robert's Credentials
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 07:17 PM by Me.
This is a member of the Raygun administration pulling his hair out.
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 11:49 AM
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48. Oops..didn't think to do so.
:banghead::dunce:
My bad...
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mattomjoe Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:09 PM
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43. 'The GOP Is Praying For A Terrorist Strike To Save The Party' -- this would
have a "prayer" of working only if a Dem is in the White House. The only "rationale" left for the Iraq War is that it keeps the terrorists out of the US. Another attack on Bush's watch would OBLITERATE what's left of that "rationale". The American populace has shown remarkable stupidity in "electing" Bush twice, but even we can't be so stupid to fall for it again. Seriously.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:15 PM
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44. Oh man..how fucking warped is
that? If we had another "terrorist strike" on bushit watch..they should be run outta this country on a fast track to hell.


It would be the corporatemediawhores that would be the suggestive conduit that bushit would benefit from another terrorist strike..we should make them realize before the act that they ain't gonna do no such thing.

Mass Homicidal Assholes.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 04:28 AM
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47. reactionaries always expect to be bailed out by their friends
:freak:
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