Interesting imipeachment story from our Democratic Club meeting last night...

[cascadiance]

We had a meeting last night, which was supposed to start early and just turn into a celebratory party for one of our club's founders leaving for another state.

We certainly had a good time eating and drinking stuff, etc., but a group like ours couldn't avoid talking politics, especially with all of that's been going on the last week or so that's heightened the feelings about impeachment.

We did have an impromptu "sound off" segment where each of us have traditionally had a chance to talk for two minutes on something we wanted the club to know about. The topic inevitably went towards impeachment, with a lot of passion from many people in the room talking randomly back towards each other.

There was a new older gentleman that I think most people didn't know but someone obviously who felt compelled to come to our group.

He spoke up at that point and stated the party line that we've been fed by mainstream news that his feeling was that we needed to focus on the "important issues" and not move towards impeachment or we'd be losing votes for the coming eleciton. It was AMAZING to see a whole room full of people all pounce on him. I almost felt a little bad for him, being someone that normally we'd want to welcome coming into our club and grow it moreso. But he did touch a nerve, and at one point we took a hand raise vote for impeachment. In a room full of 30+ people he was the ONLY one that didn't support impeachment. I'm hoping he didn't just view us as nuts and took back a little bit of education that the feeling of "the people" isn't always what the MSM tells him it is, and will come back to our meeting later and be more receptive to all of us as a group so we can be the same towards him.

Folks, I think there is a HUGE growing emotions. I don't think we would have had that kind of universal vote on impeachment even in our group just a few months ago. No matter what the MSM wants to try and do to downplay it, the feelings are building up, and at some point they will explode. Hopefully in a constructive way that we can do this and start fixing America again for the better!

[rfranklin]

1. I don't think impeachment without prison would be adequate...

Bush and Cheney must be historically vilified, so much so that the future scoundrels will have an object lesson that will make them think twice.

[BuyingThyme]

2. Did his name rhyme with Larry Mead?

[cascadiance]

5. Didn't catch his name...

He seemed like a nice enough guy, but he also seemed like someone that we need to get tuned into REAL media, etc. and not get spoonfed by the likes of CNN, etc.

I think he is the prototypical person we need to "awaken" now. Like I said, I'm HOPING he woke up and didn't just walk away feeling intimidated by a bunch of "kooks". I think that is our challenge now. How do we get more people to join us and "wake up" as to what's going on. We have to be careful not to admonish too many of those out there that "aren't in the choir". I'm really hoping we see him there at our meeting next month.

[NoUsername]

7. Bwahahaha!!

Good one BT!

[The Blue Flower]

3. Just this week a change

It has become blindingly obvious this week that the democratic process has reached a screeching halt with bushcheney in office. They will allow nothing but their agenda to move forward. They must be removed from office if we want to get the people's work done.

[grasswire]

4. absolutely

There's no room for moderation now. The barn is burning. Too late for water.

[NI4NI]

6. MSM would love to have impeachment hearings

They'd eat it up 24/7.
I want the little rat bastird impeached just as much as anybody here does; But I want him CONVICTED, and that has absolutely no chance of happening.

I remember the very firt day after impeachment proceedings were filed against President Clinton when every pundit or politician I heard from knew that a two-third vote for conviction was impossible; It's the same way today.

The public knows ChuckleNutz is a loser, and so does his own party, so how much benefit is there besides firing up his lost support for him and his party along with the good chance of Dems getting looked upon by the public as trying to get revenge, and he still remains in office? Can't you hear Tweety and Tucker and all the rest spinnin' that shit?

Instead of wasting time, I'd rather see Dems start making a UNITED national effort for '08 by calling the public's attention to the entire Puke Party as big losers the same as he is.
After all, the Pukes allowed him to do everything he should be convicted of.

[cascadiance]

8. I want the other Repigs ON RECORD voting to keep this guy from being impeached!

Sometimes winning comes from forcing the other side's hand, not necessarily with winning the battle. And in the course of doing so, sometime you can also win the battle that can win you the war.

We didn't have 2/3rds of the Senate when Nixon knews his number was up an was going to get impeached unless he resigned. The same conditions could be made to happen again today. Clinton impeachment was purely a political game. They had to play the political power games within congress and knew they didn't have the cards. Nixon was more analagous to what we have today, when the public is the entity driving impeachment, not the other party apparatus.

We DO have 22 vulnerable Republicans running for re-election in 2008. Short memories of voters can be VERY MEAN sometimes. Especially if they are boiling mad, like many of us are out there now, many Republicans as well, who I believe a lot of them are getting increasingly tired of having to rationalize support for the Republican's party's continuing enablement of this thug's destruction of our country now.

[annabanana]

9. Make sure you invite this guy back..

Offer him cookies.

[cascadiance]

10. I wanted to say that to him before he left...

... even though I vocally mentioned things like Nixon having had documented plans to nuke North Vietnam that were stopped by both impeachment and protest marches as a way to contend with his notion that impeachment gets in the way of getting other things done and preventing other bad things from happening (like our increased involvement in Iraq).

It was a party and I was talking to many people and didn't notice when he left. I'll mention it to other club members. I think if we make a big gesture to ask him back, hopefully that will help make him a messenger to others like him that even though we've got strong opinions, we're a good crowd to be with to help Americans be better off.

I say the same to a number of Republicans out there, etc. too. Not so much as part of our Democratic Club, but just as personal friends, I will welcome them and not even try mentioning to them that I "forgive them for their mistakes". The key is that I want to hear from their heart that they recognize that Bush and those around him are a huge problem that needs to be fixed, and that they are open to suggestions and working with others to help stop him. People who are willing to admit when they've been wrong, and change their ways and work to correct these problems now, I don't want to hold it over them any "mistakes" I might judge them having made in the past. On some issues I won't even hold it against them if they have honest differences of opinion on some things. But defending our constitution and keeping our democratic system is where there is NO compromise!

But more and more I'm getting impatient and furiously angry with those that continue to be spiteful Bush apologists, rationalizing their Rushbo crap, and trying to play the fear mongering game on all Democrats. There's still plenty of those out there, and they need to be isolated and SLAPPED down heavily. They've been allowed to get their way for WAY too long now, and they have to know that there's a price to be paid for what they are doing now. There comes a point where ignorance as an excuse to not be on board the wagon to impeach these bums is not going to cut it any more. At some point everyone's going to have had the opportunity to see these criminals for who they are, and they have to decide whether they want to be Americans again or become a part of a national mob-run fascist state.