How would military, intel agencies and law enforcement respond to staged terror attack?

[yurbud]

There has been a fair amount of talk by Republican dissidents about Bush & Cheney staging a terrorist attack to protect themselves from accountability, renew support for the Iraq War, and start the Iran War which will likely lead to a world war.

The immediate goal of such an attack would be to declare martial law.

Despite the Bushies being in dire straits, I don't think they will do this or at least if they did, it would not lead to martial law because enough of the military, national guard, intel agencies, and law enforcement would refuse to cooperate.

But I could be wrong.

If anybody who works for any of those organizations has an impression of how your colleagues would respond, please post it.

[T Wolf]

1. The military, etc. are no longer places to look for honorable people.

This ain't your father's army anymore.

Especially today, anyone in the service is complicit with what is being done.

[Zywiec]

2. Being in the military, I'll have to disagree with your statement

Unless of course you're also in the military and your unit is full of dishonorable Soldiers.

[T Wolf]

4. Are you saying that you and your buddies would disobey orders

that impose martial law, etc?

If your answer is "yes," I'll have to disagree with that.

Tho I am not (and never was) in the military, I grew up in Hampton Roads VA which has too many military types stationed there. I cannot tell you the number of unpleasant experiences I have had with soldiers, sailors, and airmen, starting with the group that grabbed our family cat and threw it in an apartment complex pool just to watch it drown.

The current group is even worse.

[Zywiec]

5. You obviously have all the answers

so there is no point in me saying anything else.

If I say no, we wouldn't disobey orders declaring martial law - that validates your argument

If I say yes, we would disobey orders declaring martial law - you already said you wouldn't believe that.

Sounds like you have it all figured out based on living near a naval base.

Care to take any bets on whether martial law will be declared?

[T Wolf]

8. The question was whether the military would go along.

My opinion is that they would.

You just avoided answering the question.

As to whether martial law would be imposed, at this point I still have a little hope that they would not dare. But, given their track record, it is not inconceivable, which is sad enough.

And I have bad luck gambling (I have voted Dem in the past) so I would not bet.

[theredpen]

9. The military is bigger than the few jerks you've met

Your anecdotes are saddening, but they are hardly a basis for your sweeping statements. My brother is a Lt. Colonel, and he's nothing like that. We disagree on many things, but I am sure that he'd do the right thing at the right time.

The problem is being in a position to recognize when something is going wrong. The low level soldiers are allowed to refuse unethical orders, but they may not be in a position to judge whether a particular order is ethical. "Get everyone off the streets" -- ethical or not? Depends on why that needs to be done. The people with the perspective to see whether something is ethical or not would be high-level officers: Generals, Lt. Generals, Colonels et al. If they rebel, and their reports follow them, you would have what we call in Texas "a military coup." (I guess you call that a military coup everywhere :-) .) Anyway, this is why successful military coups are always organized by Generals, not Privates.

BTW, my wife is a hospital chaplain and has been counseling some Iraq war vets. They don't want to speak with the military chaplains because they no longer trust the military. I realize that she is speaking to only a segment of soldiers, specifically those who are spiritually distressed over what they've seen and done in Iraq, but based on that evidence I believe that a clearly bogus attempt to impose martial law would lead to massive dereliction of duty, at the very least.

[Wiley50]

3. Here's their detailed game plan

read it and weep

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20070624&articleId=6134

[messiah2012]

6. All that they need is their Praetorian Guard - Blackwater USA

Cut off the lines of communication with the top military leadership and seize control. Haven't you ever seen "Seven Days in May"? All you need to control is the com channels.

[MatrixEscape]

7. I chose "other" ....

Because I feel that the underlying circumstances are rather complex and the methods in place are sub rosa -- though hidden in plain sight. They stand in great contrast to the tacit assumptions Americans have about what was and what is now. Those assumptions are many. They make such a critical event seem either impossible or improbable.

And yet, we see, upon deeper and focused inspection, that the stage seems to have been set, in a deliberate manner, for a broad and sweeping transformation from a Constitutionally-based government, to a dictatorial tyranny with only one event to trigger it.

Now, I ask you: Is this not a very dangerous situation of the most critical and crucial kind for our people? When the basis of our "Democracy", at least superficially, relies on the three branches of government functioning with checks in balances, are we to blindly agree that the ONLY safe, and realistic solution to a National Emergency, is to strip the citizens of this country of all rights and give absolute and total power to a titular figurehead and corporations, et al? I call that Fascism, not a comforting balm of safety and security. And I mean that, no matter what the emergency or event.

Is this not both a tempting and ripe situation? If you read the Presidential Directives, all the Acts to date, etc., you can see that, for a fact, our notions about the Constitutionally-guaranteed and enforced aspects of our Nation are now nullified -- to the extent that one event equals a rather huge and disproportionate handing of power over to one branch of the government without any rights, or grievances, or remedy to rely on.

Is that acceptable? Is the state of the union in serious trouble when we see a huge, glaring sign that clearly tells us that one event, staged or authentic, is all that is needed to completely, and permanently, change the overt governing of this country?

While there is a history of documents that precede NSPD-51 and COG, it certainly spells out intentions and goals that not only assure us of a final and certain Fascist takeover, (as it is now more subtle and covert) but spell out, in minute detail, how that will be accomplished. One could easily imagine a different strategy that would spread the power and responsibility out across the country while including the people themselves in the equation. No, we see that, under the guise of continuity of our current form of government, (in its rather sorry and extremely unbalanced condition) we are to sacrifice the remaining flavor and methodology for the sake of the government itself, not the people it represents.

I would suggest that concerned and conscientious Americans refer to this article, and then, proceed from there, so that they might understand the gravity of the situation and why there is growing alarm and uproar about what is a definite crisis for those who truly value freedom and would stand vigilant in its preservation:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20070624&articleId=6134