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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 05:51 PM
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Even more translators fired for being gay
http://www.q-notes.com/top2007/top04_071407.html

The scandal of firing these translators is even worse than we thought. Until this article I hadn't seen the reason these people were fired.

SANTA BARBARA, Calif. — A recent report confirms that more Arabic linguists have been fired by the military under the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy that requires separation when a commander learns a service member is gay or lesbian. The linguists were investigated after military officials listened in on conversations conducted on a high-level government computer system, which allows intelligence personnel to communicate with troops on the frontlines.

One linguist was serving in Iraq with a Marine combat unit when he was discharged. A military source reported that he was known to be gay but was allowed to serve and was only formally investigated after an Inspector General audit obtained language from the computer chat rooms that apparently suggested he might be gay. Enlisted with the Navy, he was serving with the Marines in the “individual augmentation” program, which allows the military to pull talent from whatever branch they need, in order to fill shortfalls such as that of the highly trained Arabic linguists. Under “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” the military has fired at least 58t Arabic linguists.

Stephen Benjamin, who agreed to talk to researchers at the Michael D. Palm Center, a think tank at the University of California, Santa Barbara, was discharged from the Army this March from Ft. Gordon, Ga. Benjamin, 23, attended the Defense Language Institute, the military’s premiere training school for foreign linguists. Graduating in the top 10 percent of his class, he scored a 3.3 on his Defense Language Proficiency Test, well above average. He then became a Cryptologic interpretor, responsible for collecting and analyzing signals and assigned targets to support combatant commanders and other tactical units. Arabic interpreters work with intelligence agencies to translate target cables from stateside and foreign military bases as well as providing critical translation for combat and logistics units on the frontlines.

In October 2006, the Army Inspector General conducted an audit of a government communications system and investigated 70 service members for abusing the system. Benjamin said he was called in for questioning, and was asked about a comment he made in which he said, “That was so gay — the good gay, not the bad one.” Out of the 70 people, a small number, including Benjamin, were eventually investigated for violations of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy. Although he is not sure which comments prompted the investigation that led to his discharge, he said he had referred to social plans in passing that would have revealed he is gay.

He said that some of the worst violations of the government computer system involved people having cyber sex on the system, but those people retained their jobs. emphasis mine

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I have to admit I figured when this story broke there likely was some sort of sex involved here. Or at least some sort of public statements. But no, not even close. Well actually there was sex involved but apparently that was okey dokey. I would still be appalled if Mr. Benjamin had been seperated for having conscentual sex but for this, are you kidding me? Just how many tax payer dollars were flushed down the toilet of anti gay bigotry? We have 9 GOP candidates who are willing to torture, bomb, and pillage to fight Islamofacists but who are unwilling to tolerate a gay man with social plans who can translate Arabic.

We have lost 58 Arabic translators. 58 people, upon whom we have spent thousands maybe tens of thousands of dollars each, and we lost them for having social plans. Last I checked adultery was against the UCMJ. Were all the people having cybersex single? If not, why weren't they seperated? Even if you don't think gays are morally equivalent of heterosexuals, the sheer waste of money should outrage you, not to mention the grave risk of not having enough Arabic translators when our enemy speaks Arabic.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 05:53 PM
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1. The whole thing outrages me.
kick and recommend.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 05:55 PM
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2. The people this country needs now...gone.
Edited on Sat Jul-21-07 05:57 PM by terrya
If we are going to have a "War on Terror", we need people who have those tools the military needs. And that absolutely includes translators.

I just don't know what to say about this anymore. "DADT" is an indefensible policy. It's bigoted, it's discriminatory, it's a gross disservice to the gay and lesbian people who want to serve their country and it's a gross disservice to our military and our country.

"DADT" needs to go now. Enough is enough.

On edit: I forgot to recommend your post, dsc. I did so now.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 05:56 PM
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3. I went to a panel discussion at Take Back America
where these guys were talking. Their stories were horrific. One of them was kicked out of the military because he was in community theater! Another one was not gay, but when he hugged a male friend at a party, he was 'outed' to his commanding officer and forced out of the military.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:00 PM
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5. Oh my God! Talk about nightmarish scenarios.
What is WRONG with the army? What the fuck?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:04 PM
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8. I thought the community theater guy was outed by a jilted lover
of the guy he was dating and hadn't heard about the guy who merely hugged another guy.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:19 PM
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15. He said they got suspicious because he was in community theater
Like that is enough to reason a guy is gay. He also said that when he was in the military, he broke his leg and his roommates had to help him get in and out of the shower. And at his hearing he told them that he had already been in the shower with his fellow troops and it hadn't been a problem. But that didn't seem to matter.

I asked if there had been any false accusations and they told the story about the straight guy being kicked out. He lost his pension and everything.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:21 PM
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16. unbelievable
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 05:57 PM
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4. They shold make this equal, and fire anyone that has ever engaged in any sexual activity whatsoever.
or even thought bout doing so... fire all of them from the US military... and the world would be a better place without US military aggression.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:01 PM
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6. But Senators can pay whores to diaper them like babies & that's just fine. nt
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:04 PM
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7. I wonder why we hear more about the translators
than combat troops getting fired for being gay.

Is it because they've decided not to enforce it on the cannon fodder, because keeping up the blind killing is more important than understanding the enemy?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:06 PM
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9. My guess is it is some of your reason
some strategic on the part of people fighting the policy, and some a matter of people with specialized skills being more likely to be able to be publicly outed as gay and still keep civilian jobs most people with Arabic translation skills and computer skills are going to be able to find civilian employers who don't give a damn about them being gay.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:11 PM
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11. Slap me if this is offensive,
but could a gift for language be linked to being gay? Looking at the history of literature, gay people are rather heavily overrepresented.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:14 PM
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12. I will say this
Edited on Sat Jul-21-07 06:14 PM by dsc
I have known a lot of people who were very gifted at picking up foreign languages. Most of them were gay. That isn't to say there is anything but coincidence but I tend to think that is likely. For the record, I am not blessed with such a gift. I am a mediocre learner of languages at best.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:15 PM
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13. I'm straight and I love language and literature;
I spent my childhood with my nose buried in a book and the consequent accusations of homosexuality...

Could be something in the culture.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:17 PM
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14. I am an avid reader
but more of current events, history, and biography. My fiction reading is limited to mysteries.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:10 PM
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10. Maybe, they just don't want anyone to know what is really going on. n/t
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drkedjr Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:35 PM
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17. Firing
2007 - We now fire the youngest and the brightest - what would JFK say?
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 07:06 PM
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18. ....
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 07:16 PM
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19. Don't ask don't tell = dumbest fucking policy in the world .....
.... although I **fully** understand it was well intentioned when implemented.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 07:19 PM
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20. Well, it was supposedly a "compromise"
If you define "compromise" by the President of the United States, the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, caving into political pressure from Sam Nunn and Colin Powell.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 07:37 PM
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21. He didn't cave
he got defeated. Clinton could do nothing in this regard without Congress and Congress wouldn't change the law. He got beat plain and simple.
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:33 PM
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22. What's more immoral - killing people or being gay? n/t
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