More exciting John Conyers Impeachment News "Retroactive Impeachment"(Partial Transcript-SD Meeting)

[kpete]

those who are saying - there is not enough time, Bush can run out the clock - should read this...kpete

Jonathan Schwarz:
More exciting John Conyers impeachment rumor-mongering.

On Friday John Conyers appeared at an event in San Diego. While speaking there he said that he would support the introduction of articles of impeachment if three additional members of Congress ask him to do so. (He seemed to say he meant in addition to the 13 current co-sponsors of Kucinich’s bill H.Res. 333 regarding Cheney.)

Below is a transcript of Conyers’ remarks. Video should be available soon.

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CONYERS: Now, let me close with this one suggestion, is that I need some Members of Congress to come to me and say Mr Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, I heard you were out in San Diego, and they really put it to you, and you made commitments that we don’t know if you were just saying… saying something to get out of that hotel alive (laughter) or were you, or were you serious and here’s what we need to do. We need to have three Members of Congress from anywhere come and say, “Congressman, if you, if you are willing to support an inquiry into a resolution of whether there had been acts of impeachability conducted by the Vice President of, and the President of the United States, that could lead to High Crimes and Misdemeanors, then we will join you if you introduce such a resolution”…

QUESTIONER: We do have House Resolution 333.

CONYERS: I’m talking about more. Look. And so let us see how many people would be willing to back us up…

I want to examine and put forward as we move along a close, critical examination of all of the benefits and the costs involved in making this momentous decision. Um. It’s easy to say that this is, this is a no brainer. It’s, the logic is all on one side, and I wish that were so. If it were so, you would be here congratulating me for doing what you had been asking me and others to do for so long.

So let’s think soberly about it. I have to think about the future. I have to weigh what this, the impact of this is going to be. And, by the way, you probably know, that there is such a thing as the retroactive impeachment process…If you introduced the resolution of impeachment after the person is gone.

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[bananas]

1. "We need to have three Members of Congress from anywhere ..."

[blondeatlast]

2. Bush's "unitary executive" power grab has rendered Conyers words pretty null, IMHO.

Congress needs to assert its power without regard to whether it's popular or not anymore.

The Republicans especially need to understand what is happening here--GWB and Co. doesn't give a you-know-what about electing Republicans to Congress. Regardless of party affiliation CONGRESS ITSELF IS BUSHCO's ENEMY.

We are facing the nightmare the ultra-conservatives used to warn us was coming. The only way to push it back is to LEAD and just go through with impeachment. When the MSM realizes that America supports this, they'll fall in line.

Two weeks ago, I could have appreciated Rep. conyers' words. That time has passed and the Constitution is at stake. It's taken me a long time to come to this point, but the House Judiciary ESPECIALLY has to take the lead here as they should be in a better position than the rest to understand what's happening.

GWB is attempting to install his dictatorship. He must be stopped with all legal means necessary.

[Peace Patriot]

6. "When the MSM realizes that America supports this, they'll fall in line." ???

I'm not arguing against impeachment--at all!--but I wonder about your belief that the NON-mainstream, war profiteering, corporate news monopolies will "fall in line" with anything that the great majority of the American people support.

I think that you are under the false impression that our profiteering corporate news monopolies--which don't even come close to representing true mainstream opinion, and haven't for some time--CARE ABOUT what we, the American people, think. That's not how it works. These news monopolies are not democratic, and the five fascist billionaire CEOS who control them do NOT--I repeat, do NOT--believe in democracy. I think you need to see the movie "The Matrix," because that movie created the best metaphor I've ever come across for the national delusion that our Corporate Rulers have created. These fascist pigs who have taken over all of our public airwaves (in monopolies that ALSO control virtually all print media) are NOT in any way engaged in debate or persuasion. Their purpose is NOT to convince us of anything. Their purpose is to disempower and demoralize us--parallel with, and in conspiracy with, the SUCCESSFUL Corporate Ruler plot to disenfranchise us--already accomplished, via the new electronic voting machines, run on "trade secret," proprietary programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations, and installed all over the country with the complicity of the Democratic Party leadership, alas.

So, what they are doing (and what Karl Rove is so "brilliant" at colluding with them on) is writing the national narrative for pre-ordained events--whether they be war, or Bush/Cheney 'winning' the 2004 election. If facts arise that challenge this "national delusion"--for instance, that the Democratic grass roots blew the Bushites away in new voter registrations, in 2004, nearly 60/40, making it virtually impossible for Bush/Cheney to win--they are suppressed, black-holed, never mentioned, found only in obscure papers by academics or election reform activists. Absent the facts, reasonable debate cannot occur. And reasonable debate is not intended.

To the extent that you are plugged into the "MSM" (a term I don't agree with; they are NOT the "mainstream"), you are, in a sense, living in the Matrix (an illusory world). The purpose of the Corporate media "matrix" is to make you feel helpless and powerless. THEY cram the airwaves with relentless, 24/7, rightwing propaganda. You may disagree, but you have NO POWER to alter their propaganda in any way, and how they really get to you is subliminally with the message that you are all alone, that the majority agrees with THEM. This makes no sense to you, but you believe it, deep down.

So, to expect the "MSM" to "fall in line" with true mainstream American opinion on any important issue is to misunderstand who they are and what their purpose is. They will NEVER "fall into line" with the majority. Never.
Because the majority--indeed, the overwhelming majority--opposes unjust war, favors peace, and supports 'the little guy' against the global corporate predators. The so-called "MSM" ARE the global corporate predators who are destroying our country, and brutally exploiting us and everyone else in the world. They are no longer "American business." They are transnational monsters who have outsourced all the jobs to the cheapest, most unprotected labor markets abroad, both for short-term profit and for long term destruction of all labor rights. They want slave labor--and of course cannon fodder for their corporate resource wars. They have hijacked the US military as well!

It is conceivable that our war profiteering corporate news monopolies might, at some point, favor impeachment, but it won't be because WE want it. It would be because it is a smart strategic move to protect THEIR power. They may think that their destruction of our sovereignty (our ability to regulate them), their war profiteering, their robbing us blind, and their turning us into a 'banana republic,' need to have a 'Democratic' brand, in order to keep us from rebelling and re-gaining our power as a people. It's a possibility--although I don't think they would want us to in any way get the impression that we have any rightful power. But if it occurs--the Corporate Media Beast favoring impeachment--do not be fooled by their motives. They have made such enormous gains as to fascist policy and ungodly profit, with the Bush Junta, that they can afford a short period of consolidation of those gains. And if they seize control of the narrative on impeachment (a genuine grass roots movement) they can--and will--prevent this movement from resulting in any serious reform.

Beware, beware of the power of Corporate Media, who have succeeded in convincing virtually the entire leftist community that they are the "mainstream." "MSM" (the "mainstream media") is now routinely used by almost all leftists (not this one!!!!) to describe what is, in truth, a fascist cabal--a tiny group of fatcat war profiteers and global corporate predators who control all news and opinion in this country. Most of us use it ("MSM") automatically. Most of us don't even think about it. That is their power.

56% of the American people opposed the Iraq War from the beginning (Feb. '03). 56%! That is a significant majority. That would be a landslide in a presidential election. (And, believe me, it was!) Did you know it? Did it have any currency in the so-called "Mainstream Media" that a significant MAJORITY of Americans opposed the Iraq War? Did you not feel, instead, that "most" Americans had gone nuts and were goosestepping to Bush? That is their power. And it is a lethal power, because its purpose is NOT to change the minds of the majority--they have failed miserably in that regard (that 56% has now grown to an overwhelming 70%)--but rather to DISEMPOWER the majority, to make the members of that great majority feel like their peace-loving, justice-loving views are some kind of weird, NON-mainstream, tiny, powerless minority.

Please put an "N" before "MSM." N-MSM NON-mainstream media. And don't expect them to "fall into line" with anything that is democratic with a small d. They are the protectors of Bushite lawlessness and stolen elections. To impeach Bush is to impeach THEM.

[Psyop Samurai]

7. Quite simply, Peace Patriot...

You Rule!!! :toast: :evilgrin: O8) :bounce:

Your tireless efforts to put things in context are appreciated more than you know. While this acknowledgment may seem to appear out of the blue, I've been carefully reading your posts for a long time.

Carry on, good patriot. :toast:

[Peace Patriot]

8. Hey, thanks, Psyop Samurai! It's great to know somebody's reading my rants.

Sometimes I wonder. I tend to go on too long. I don't get a lot of feedback. And I sometimes feel that I'm just a "voice crying in the wilderness." But I do have a lifetime of political experience and observation that gives me the ability to analyze our current dire circumstance as a nation. Mostly I feel VERY POSITIVE--not about the government or the corporate rulers. They couldn't be worse. But about the endurance of democratic and progressive beliefs among the American people, who are the most heavily propagandized people in the world. Look how they have resisted the relentless, 24/7 fascist propaganda and warmongering! It is amazing. I have great faith in the American people. My main conviction in regard to "we, the people" is this: We MUST think more strategically. Where is our power? WHAT is our power? The basis of our power--and our sovereignty--is voting. And, oh God, have they messed with that power! The electronic vote counting, with "trade secret" code, is the ultimate blockade of the will of the people. It makes change impossible. That is its purpose. And so that's where we must focus. And don't expect the powers-that-be in Congress to give us back our right to vote. They will not. We have a long, hard battle ahead of us, at the state/local levels, to restore transparent vote counting. A difficult, complicated, multi-front battle, all over the country, in every precinct, at every county registrar's office, at every state elections office. This is the essential Step One to restoring democracy and getting our country back.

And we must do this at the same time that we continue massive efforts to register people to vote, and to get out the vote--because essentially what we have is a situation where we must outvote the machines--and while we also provide continual encouragement to our demoralized population, and provide truth, reality and facts to counter the barrage of obvious and not so obvious fascist garbage that people are subjected to. The worst thing that has happened to the American people is not stolen elections or unjust war--bad as they are--but rather the feeling that we are helpless to do anything about it. That is where the bad guys have succeeded. But a very practical, strategically-focused, relentless campaign to restore our right to vote is the remedy--for feelings of helplessness and powerlessness. Our vote IS our power as a people. We MUST get it back.

There I go ranting again. Thanks for the praise! It's appreciated. And I love your handle! We most definitely need some psyops of our own, and good samurai energy, to throw off this Junta and start creating the country that we all would like to be living in.

[Psyop Samurai]

9. heh... as for the ranting...

I often chuckle to myself, thinking "there he/she goes again"... but with the further thought that "now the record will be set straight", at least regarding those damned "Bushite" machines! :)

Someone needs to bang that drum, and hit the same notes every time.

Alas, I'm not much of a samurai where it counts (lacking political experience and being rather reclusive), but I play a darned good defense when it comes to lies and deception.

:toast:

[Solly Mack]

3. the time for words is over

and in my opinion...that time has long been over

People have got to stop lying to themselves and others...Bush isn't a President...he's a war criminal and would-be dictator. Treat him accordingly.

America is not well served by pretending the system isn't crumbling.

[paparush]

4. Damn Right! Its time for handcuffs and billy-clubs. (for them, not us)

[Poiuyt]

5. I find it hard to believe that Congress would go for a retroactive impeachment

if they won't do it while they are still in office.

[librechik]

10. everyone who was given hope by this Conyers story should read this Ray McGovern article

food for thought.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/24/2736/

John Conyers Is No Martin Luther King
by Ray McGovern

What do Rep. John Conyers, D-Michigan, chair of the House Committee on the Judiciary, and President George W. Bush have in common? They both think they can dis Cindy Sheehan and count on gossip columnists like the Washington Post’s David Milbank to trivialize a historic moment.

I’ll give this to President Bush. He makes no pretense when he disses. He would not meet with Sheehan to define for her the “noble cause” for which her son Casey died or tell her why he had said it was “worth it.”

Conyers, on the other hand, was dripping with pretense as he met with Sheehan, Rev. Lennox Yearwood and me Monday in his office in the Rayburn building. I have seldom been so disappointed with someone I had previously held in high esteem. And before leaving, I told him so.

Throwing salt in our wounds, he had us, and some 50 others in his anteroom arrested and taken out of action as the Capitol Police “processed” us for the next six hours.

As we began our discussion with Conyers, it was as though he thought we were “born yesterday,” as Harry Truman would put it. With feigned enthusiasm he began, Let’s hold a Town Hall meeting in Detroit so we can talk about impeachment. Get out my schedule; let’s see, we need to hear from everyone about this.

Been there, done that, I reminded the congressman.

On May 29, 2007, Col. Ann Wright and I were among those who flew to Detroit for a highly advertised Town Hall meeting on impeachment, because we were assured that John Conyers would be there.

That Town Hall/panel discussion was arranged by the Michigan chapter of the National Lawyers Guild less than two weeks after the Detroit City Council passed a resolution, cosponsored by Conyers’ wife Monica Conyers-calling for the impeachment of Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. We had hoped that Monica’s clear vision and courage might be contagious.

I had to remind the congressman that he did not show up for the Town Hall.

(more at link)

[mmonk]

11. And then everyone will say let's move on to something productive

that the American people want. I can hear it now because I in fact hear it now.

[debbierlus]

12. This is about us - only through a national outcry will this happen

I don't quite understand Mr. Conyers.