"They hate us for our freedoms" -debunked-

[SHRED]

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A Brief History of U.S. Interventions:

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0210-07.htm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6308.htm

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html

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Of course when you point these historical facts out, and debunk the talking point in the title of this post, another talking point is always resorted to, "you are part of the blame America first crowd".

As reality catches up with the "28-31% 'ers", these slogans are becoming shallower and shallower.

Whatever happened to the truly profound saying (and I am paraphrasing), "Those not willing to learn from history are destined to repeat it".

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[helderheid]

1. If they hated freedom, they would have attacked the Netherlands. n/t

[Mr. Ected]

19. Amen, Sister!

Having lived in the Netherlands for 5 years, I can assure each and every American that our supposed 'freedom' is a farce...particularly during a Republican regime.

[indepat]

2. Every 'puke talking point/mantra can be debunked for all are lies

[Atman]

3. That's not what they hate us for...

[SHRED]

4. sweet

[JCMach1]

9. I can confirm that at least in Arabia...

[King Coal]

13. That is too funny, Atman.

[harlinchi]

5. They hate us for our PSA's!

The biggest bone of contention is the so-called Oil Law. As Iraqis awaken to the evil the law could contain, their opposition grows. Their support of the Oil Law is inversely related to the amount they know of it.

[SHRED]

11. "Profit Sharing Agreements"

Sounds so quaint...doesn't it?

[harlinchi]

12. Friendly-sounding words with lethal effects!

Like 'daily-cutter', globalization, Iraqi Freedom and corporate merger!

[HockeyMom]

6. They hate us for invading their countries

What peoples wouldn't?

[bryant69]

7. It is a catch 22

Purposefully created; we aren't allowed to really examine our role in the world on any level above "America is the bestest nation on the earth."

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Name removed]

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[dipsydoodle]

10. Ward Churchill's book

"On the Justice of Roosting Chickens: Reflections on the Consequences of U.S. Imperial Arrogance and Criminality" provides chapter and verse back to the year dot.



http://www.amazon.com/Justice-Roosting-Chickens-Reflections-Consequences/dp/1902593790/ref=sr_1_1/102-9003313-9902553?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1185201773&sr=1-1

[dorkulon]

14. On the subject:

"When you think about it, this amazing capacity we seem to have for feel-good self-deception is at the root of our little terrorist problem. Think about how dysfunctional it is that we have never, as a nation, actually discussed the many real reasons Arabs have to hate us. We claim to be doing everything we can to prevent terrorism, but the unspoken truth is that we have never seriously considered changing the manner in which we pursue our foreign policy goals. Our image in the outside world is that of a duplicitous trickster, a myopic fair-weather friend whose word is a joke, and that image is well-deserved. Basically, we fund whichever group seems to be against the group we find most threatening at any given time.

"For instance, we are now arming the Sunni insurgents in Iraq, to fight al Qaeda. That's right, the same Sunni insurgents who have been dutifully killing our own soldiers since we got there. Apparently, they have promised, scout's honor, not to use our own guns to shoot us. Also, we're funding Sunni al Qaeda-type terrorists in Lebanon, to fight Hezbollah. Al Qaeda, of course, is an outgrowth of the mujahadeen fighters we trained and funded to battle the Soviets in Afghanistan. In the '80s, when Saddam Hussein was committing most of the atrocities we now find so outrageous, we were giving him money to fight Iran. Before 9/11, we were giving the Taleban tons of cash to fight the opium trade in Afghanistan. Our foreign policy is a shifting, slithering mass of flip-flopping alliances, abandonments and betrayals.

"Unsurprisingly, most people find this type of craven opportunism to be distasteful. Most Americans, however, have never once had to think about it, because they don't even know any of it ever happened. They don't know because market research has shown that they don't want to know, and no mainstream politician or journalist has the stones to go against those numbers."

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/8295

[Babsbrain]

15. They have more freedoms than we do at this point

[leftist.]

16. *You* obviously hate America for it's freedom ;)

Please proceed to pack up your bong and go back to Russia.

Seriously though, bush has totally ruined that word for me. Imagine, how does someone actually go about ruining a word? But he's done it, and I know I'm not alone. Whenever I hear the word "freedom" in ANY context it makes me cringe. All I hear is him saying it with that stupid twang and that empty look on his face.

[Swamp Rat]

17. It was debunked when Bushler exterminated hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians.

[rucky]

18. Was that one ever "bunked" in the first place? n/t