Is Hillary's

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

...installation as the Dem presidential nominee essentially a done deal?

And secondly, if so, is this because the Neocons who control MSM view her as the only Dem nominee who could energize their massive hate inspired base sufficiently to give them a realistic chance to win, or steal less conspicuously, the presidency in '08?

[billyoc]

1. Not even close. n/t

[William769]

2. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. NT

[LibDemAlways]

3. The corporate media would have us think

Hillary's got it sewn up.

The rightwing slime machine has been very kind to her lately, making John Edwards their favorite whipping boy for now to assure that he doesn't get the nod.

If and when Hillary is nominated, expect the cesspool of filth they've been quietly stockpiling to be unleashed in a huge, stinking torrent before the last piece of confetti has hit the convention floor. Not saying she can't withstand it, but if she's the nominee, it will be brutal.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

4. That's the way it looks to me also. nt.

[Ron Green]

12. I agree. Edwards, of all the "approved" candidates, scares the ruling class the most.

As long as I'm editing for a typo, I might as well add that Edwards is ONLY on the "approved" list because he's telegenic and he rounds out the group as a white male. But the fix is in, to be sure: a black man and a woman so neatly define the "historic" offering of the Democrats that they are being fed to the masses as the only choices for next year.

Kucinich, the only choice for the major systemic change we need, is not even mentioned by the corporate media.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

16. "Kucinich, the only choice for the major

...systemic change we need, is not even mentioned by the corporate media."

How true. If his campaign were to suddenly gain a massive grass roots support bump and he started showing up in the polls as a contender, the corporate media machetes would come out in force and slice him into sections.

[DemBones DemBones]

23. Have you ever wondered whether the polls are real?

It's interesting how the candidate they talk up is the one who polls highest. Did they cause people to support her or are the polls rigged to support what they've been saying?

If Kucinich got above the single digits where he supposedly is, would they tell us? Would they act like they liked him, the way they did with Howard Dean, and then bring him down in time to bring in the approved candidate?

My cynicism just can't keep up with reality anymore. I feel like Tom Lehrer, who quit writing his great satirical songs when Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize, saying that satire had now become reality (or reality had become satire, I'm not sure which way he said it.) Anyway, Henry Kissinger, Nobel Peace Prize? Riggghhhhhtttttt!

Honesty in the media? :rofl:

[Yael]

24. You nailed it

[Richard Steele]

5. Yes and yes. I've been saying it for 3 years now. The NeoCons WANT her to be our nominee.

That's their only hope of winning.

[MazeRat7]

6. You are correct. I would bet money that they will win if she is nominated. -nt

[Swamp Rat]

8. ditto n/t

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

7. Agreed. I think everything will be...

...in place for them to steal it via their private corporate vote collection and counting apparatus. What they want to make sure of is having at least enough real support so it isn't too obvious. If pre-election polls show the Dem nominee out in front by 20 points all the way up to election day, they're going to be hard pressed to steal it. They're looking to Hillary to help them solve this problem.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. You realize it's July...

of the year before the election? Right?

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

11. Yes, I am aware of that.

[opihimoimoi]

10. IMHO....Hillary will go on to kick ass if nom'd...the GOP has self destructed in Supporting Bush

revealing their Philosophy of greed and deception.

They want us to focus on INDIVIDUALS....who is better ...etc?

Its the Base Philosophy that matters...the PUBs phil is CRAP....

Any DEM will win over their BEST PUB....

[Raine]

13. No and yes

no it's not a done deal but yes that is why THEY want it to be.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

15. I do hope you're right that it's not a done deal. nt.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

27. Now that I take another look at this poll...

...there is no good reason why "No, and Yes" shouldn't have been one of the choices -- my bad.

[KharmaTrain]

14. Not All Democratic Voters...

...live politics like most of us do. They're more interested in the local little league team or the new stairmaster at "the club" or a million other things than the '08 elections. Some may pay attention here or there, but next year's election is still off in the distance and their world's are too occupied with other things now. Few know of Edwards yet a Kucinich or Gravel and the one thing that all appear to agree on is their disgust with the booosh regime and with the repugnican party.

If Hillary wins the nomination it's due to one hell of an organization. That's what wins primaries...getting the right votes organized in the right places at the right time. While we see and hear of support for other candidates, Hillary's support is a real "silent majority" of Democratic voters. These people don't post on DU, but they will show up at the polls...both in the primaries and then in the general election.

If anything the corporate media has tried to stifle Hillary...Faux has been wet dreaming of a Hillary candidacy but only as the ultimate fear of a Hillary victory. They've try to set her up to fail...and it's not working. Polls show she's getting stronger...especiall against Repugnican candidates.

The game boils down to the amount of "Hillary hate" within the GOOP ranks vs. all the divisiveness that is so apparent in their primaries. Will many Repugnican voters stay home next year through not only their hate of Hillary but that they can't get themselves to vote for whichever candidate survives the Repugnican primaries. I can't see a Rudy or Mittens getting fundie votes...but I sure see a lot of soccer moms willng to vote for Hillary.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

17. Kick for larger sample. nt.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

18. Kick for larger sample. nt.

[Swamp Rat]

19. You know too much.

Report to the nearest re-education center.



Obey.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

25. "Double Lizard Crosser" Your stuff is great, Swamp Rat...

...I worry about the likelihood of ordinary citizens being rounded up and warehoused in these Rex-84 camps -- hope I'm just being paranoid. If someone like Ghouliani gets the nod in '08 I believe it will become a reality though.

[LittleClarkie]

20. Was Lieberman our nominee?

He was polling about the same as Hillary this early in the game.

I think she and Obama will take each other out and leave room for a dark horse.

[cynatnite]

21. She's the front runner and very popular...

I don't think it's because of the neocons or the corporate media. It's because she has been the first lady one not liked by Rush Limpballs and other repukes. They used her to rile up their base and in a sense helped propel her popularity, IMO. It backfired.

Considering how smart she is and that she hasn't made any mistakes, I think she'll become the nominee because of primary voters. I also think she's a tough woman who'll fight back against any attempted attack and she'll win.

The nomination isn't sewn up. There hasn't even been a primary, yet, so I'm hesitant to label her the presumptive nominee at this point.

[mmonk]

22. I'm not going to get into candidate bashing this time around

except only when defending Kucinich from attacks from a candidate's surrogate that may appear and then I will say something negative. Otherwise, I'm opting out on the attack mode.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

26. Are you suggesting the OP is bashing Hillary? If so, how?

...I made no disparaging remarks about her. Only asking a question about how people perceive her candidacy.

[mmonk]

28. No. It provides some the opportunity.

This isn't an attack on the OP. Just a statement.

[chknltl]

29. No

It is far too early to make such an assumption. I do think they fear and hate anyone with the Clinton name though.