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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 04:09 PM
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NY Times editor: Founding fathers feared such an 'imperial presidency'
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NY Times editor: Founding fathers feared such an 'imperial presidency' RAW STORY
Published: Monday July 23, 2007

In a strongly worded column published in Monday's New York Times, Assistant Editor Adam Cohen argues that America's founding fathers feared an "imperial presidency" such as George W. Bush's when drafting the Constitution.

Cohen, a lawyer and member of the Times editorial board since 2002, writes, "The nation is heading toward a constitutional showdown over the Iraq war. Congress is moving closer to passing a bill to limit or end the war, but President Bush insists Congress doesn’t have the power to do it. 'I don’t think Congress ought to be running the war,' he said at a recent press conference. 'I think they ought to be funding the troops.' He added magnanimously: 'I’m certainly interested in their opinion.'"

"The war is hardly the only area where the Bush administration is trying to expand its powers beyond all legal justification," Cohen continues. "But the danger of an imperial presidency is particularly great when a president takes the nation to war, something the founders understood well. In the looming showdown, the founders and the Constitution are firmly on Congress’s side."

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The founders would have been astonished by President Bush’s assertion that Congress should simply write him blank checks for war. They gave Congress the power of the purse so it would have leverage to force the president to execute their laws properly. Madison described Congress’s control over spending as “the most complete and effectual weapon with which any constitution can arm the immediate representatives of the people, for obtaining a redress of every grievance, and for carrying into effect every just and salutary measure.”

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Members of Congress should not be intimidated into thinking that they are overstepping their constitutional bounds. If the founders were looking on now, it is not Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi who would strike them as out of line, but George W. Bush, who would seem less like a president than a king.

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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 04:27 PM
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1. Yes, and the Founders provided recourse...
The 2nd Amendment...But alas, we the people, have voted to defang ourselves, in the name of "saving the children"

BTW, the 2nd Amendment, is NOT about hunting, or sportsmen, it is about defending yourself, and countrymen from an abusive government. Politicians whom talk about "hunters" is putting their ignorance on display for all to see.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 04:29 PM
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2. The FF feared a propagandistic Press, also. The NYT is too little, too late.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 04:37 PM
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3. Good piece. It bothers me that the Congress seems so willing to
accept the Bush Administration's framing of the argument, accepting the idea of troops sitting out the middle of the desert with no supplies because Congress wouldn't fund the occupation.

The fact is that if Bush gets no money, it his duty as Commander in Chief to get the troops out of there. He cannot hold them hostage. It's like he's holding a gun to their heads and saying, "gimmee everything I want or these fellas is gonna die!".
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 05:04 PM
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4. That's what he is saying
and a lot of Americans believe it, too.

But no one gives voice to it from a position of power. Except perhaps Kucinich.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 05:35 PM
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5. Re-open 9/11 Investigations and Pre-War Intelligence: that'll expose the traitorous bastards.
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 05:45 PM by tiptoe
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:56 PM
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6. +=+
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