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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:20 PM
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Dear DU - I Still Believe....
Dear DU,

"People, we have a problem. Our democracy is in crisis. We do not trust the machines to count our votes. We know you do not trust the machines to count our votes. Will you help us to restore Democracy to its rightful place as the institution at the heart of our society and civilisation?"

- Althecat today - DU ERD (in response to a suggestion that it might be hard to find the 10s of thousands of volunteers to count Hand Counted Paper Ballots.)

What would happen if the Democractic Party leadership said the above instead of instead of.

“My sense is there’s no way to get this thing in place by the election of 2008,” Ms. Feinstein said. “Without adequate time, we could cause real problems in the election.”

- Senator Dianne Feinstein Friday 20th July 2007

Would you volunteer to count?

Hell, I would even come across from NZ to help if I was allowed :)

I don't know about the rest of you - but (channelling Bleever) I still believe. Its been a long hard four and half years getting people to think about election reform and the decaying state of U.S. Democracy.

And now it is fixable. We just need action not cynicism.

So please signon, kick and rec this if you believe too...... & if you feel like discussing the merits of not giving up on the 2008 elections do that too.

regards

Althecat
a.k.a Alastair Thompson
Co-Editor Scoop Independent News - Scoop American Coup - 1999-2008
http://Scoop.co.nz
New Zealand

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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:27 PM
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1. Alastair and Scoop Rock!
Thanks for all you do! :yourock:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:33 PM
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6. Thanks MelG... I believe I will rage against the dying of the light....


... and occasionally photograph it.
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:39 PM
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7. Ohhhh, That is so Beautiful! n/t
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:35 PM
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2. I'm very confused about what happened to my previous posts
But I still believe.

:toast:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:13 PM
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4. It seems there was a misundertanding... but that is all sorted now....
I am very glad you still beleive Patsy. And that you did before too.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:14 PM
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5. Believing is what led me here to begin with.
And I couldn't be happier it did.

:hi:
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:57 PM
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3. K&R..nt
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:49 PM
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8. So only three people beleive now... and only 2 enough to rec the thread....
I fear for US democracy.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:25 PM
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9. I'm in.
K&R.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:56 PM
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10. K5R.
What the heck.

Too late to stop now.

:thumbsup:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:43 AM
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17. The true bleever....
Thanks for keeping the faith :)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:18 PM
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11. I bleev!!!!! We can do this! Look who is on our side - Michael Moore
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 10:18 PM by autorank
We need to continue to educate. It's been a long trek but we're close.

Look who is on our side. How can we lose?

Thanks for this post and for all the support gives us!!! We'd be in a hole without it.


Moore on HARDBALL




Michael Moore was on Hardball this evening. He was asked if he thought America was ripe for a
revolution. He said, NO.

Then he said we need a revolution at the polls and we need to know that our elections are really
meaningful (transcript not available yet but VIDEO UP NOW

He went on to question the viability of our election system and said Canada had a better alternative –
HAND COUNTED PAPER BALLOTS That's what Kucinich proposes in H.R.6200=>
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0611/S00399.htm">PAPER for President. The Time is Now

Canada’s Federal elections have Hand Counted Paper Ballots. They are precise and effective.
The main complaints about elections are the introduction of computerized voting US style.

In anticipation of the defenders of optical scans as “paper ballots” (which they’re not), let me say:

1) Kucinich’s House Resolution 6200 calls for Hand Counted Paper Ballots for presidential
elections, which would be a system very much like Canada.
2) We’ve had problems with presidential elections.
3) In addition, despite periods of mechanization, e.g. lever machines, punch cards (IBM), we have
periods where hand counting was done on a large scale in large states. We survived!


THANK YOU MICHAEL MOORE FOR “SICKO” AND FOR THE
GREAT ADVOCACY FOR FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS



Hand Counted Paper Ballots Resources:
Articles
"Paper Vote Canada" Blog
Canada's Paper Ballot System


Election 2004: The Urban Legend



Election 2004:Link
Word doc download
Suitable to send to your Members of Congress



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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 11:38 PM
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14. I saw this.... koko has a thread up on it....
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 11:48 PM
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16. And thank you to autorank
who has stepped up to make a HUGE contribution.

:yourock:
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:32 PM
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12. I believe.
I do.

:hi:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 11:40 PM
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15. Excellent to hear....
Tis a far far better thing..... to beleive.



Than to have one's head chopped off.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 11:05 PM
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13. Kick. (nt)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:40 AM
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 05:18 AM
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19. I TAKE THIS POST BACK,
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 04:22 AM
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20. Get back up there....
:kick:
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Decruiter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 04:37 AM
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21. Now here is an "I still believe" place I can get behind. Hanging on though by what
Edited on Wed Jul-25-07 04:40 AM by Decruiter
little is left of my nails. I don't like the edge I feel like we are all on right now.

It really is feeling too much like August of 2001, especially with Dubya and his "hand-picked VP" in charge at this moment in time.

Rattlers strike when threatened.

Take cover, take precaution, be careful.

I keep having to tell myself to just breath, deep.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 04:46 AM
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23. Been busy all day myself.... everybody round here....
...does seem to be a touch stressed.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 04:44 AM
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22. I'll count
Damn right I'll count. I'd do whatever was asked of me if I could just have faith in the process again.

Bush didn't win Florida. In EITHER election. It is one of those things I know to be true, though I cannot prove it to the satisfaction of many. So be it. Let's just open the process, make it transparent, no matter what that takes.

:kick:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 04:47 AM
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24. I would certainly agree about florida....
in 2004 bush did spectacularly well in broward and miami dade..... nobody has ever explained that to my satisfaction.
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