********OFFICIAL DEBATE THREAD #3-*********************

[ncrainbowgrrl]

#2 is here http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1412824&mesg_id=1413068

[Connie_Corleone]

1. Ah, here's the official thread. Thank you.

[JohnLocke]

2. Clown Gravel shut down.

[goodhue]

3. Gravel being silenced

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

9. How do you mean?

I can't install the stupid plug in to watch the stream online.

[goodhue]

Well, he just now got to speak for 2nd time

And Anderson shut him down when he wanted to speak beyond Darfur

[Le Taz Hot]

Apparently some are afraid of him.

Partisan bullshit. Such a waste of time.

[Colobo]

4. Screw Gravel.

[tridim]

40. Yep, he's just a flat out jerk

Sorry, I don't like that man at all.

[tridim]

55. Self delete

[Hissyspit]

5. Oops, sorry, ncrainbowgrrl.

We were at 120 posts.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

14. my bad! (had to duck out for a minute!)

:hi:

No prob- thanks

[Colobo]

6. Clinton doesn't answer the question.

[Colobo]

11. She finally does. No American troops in Darfur- bring up Iraq.

[defendandprotect]

7. Liked Hillary's UN answer --

[harun]

13. Me too, no U.S. troops for Darfur took backbone for her to say

and won points with me.

[Rydz777]

141. Hillary said it well. No troops for Darfur. We're already mired in

one catastrophe, and we don't have any troops left for another misadventure. I agree: it took courage for her to say it, because there is a strong lobby supporting intervention in Darfur. She is facing reality and not pandering.

[defendandprotect]

22. Questions continue to suck --- Energy, taking back control of our national resources from private

families -- ???

[defendandprotect]

35. Biden -- We can't pull out now !!!!!!-------------!!!!!

[DesertRat]

23. Me too. I completely agree with her on Darfur.

[Dawgs]

8. Clinton spinning, spinning, spinning!!

Answer the fuckin' question.

[Individualist]

12. the artful dodger

[rucky]

10. I'm afraid Biden may be right on Darfur

troops on the ground.

[matcom]

19. he is

n/t

[Dawgs]

Where have you been?

Of course he's right.

[Connie_Corleone]

15. Hillary is doing well.

Biden is really passionate about Darfur, as they all should be. Richardson, eh.

[Colobo]

20. Hillary's got the one liners.

[Hissyspit]

16. Standing Ovation for soldiers serving in Iraq/Afghanistan. n/t

[flvegan]

17. Re: Darfur, I want someone to talk about pulling out of Iraq

to have the forces to possibly put troops on the ground IF needed.

Dammit.

[BeyondGeography]

18. Hilly just gave AC a dirty look

Her Majesty doesn't like being pushed for an answer (U.S. troops on the gorund: Yes/no). Just answer the question next time and you'll be fine, Senator.

[Skip Intro]

30. she did glare at him, lol. She did give a real answer, tho.

[sakkatta]

question

I am not following the comments here.
It seems more like a chat room than providing information as to what is happening.
Is this being broadcast online somehwere?

[Hissyspit]

31. Words are coming quickly and it's hard to transcribe.

Anderson Cooper rushing everyone.

[bdamomma]

73. terrible we want to know the answers from these candidates

we just don't want to have a beer with them. WTF

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

33. yes

cnn.com but you have to plug in something to view it--at least I was told that, and can't. Better luck to you--and welcome to DU! :hi:

[femmocrat]

36. cnn.com has live coverage.

[zippy890]

38. its on CNN

[ruggerson]

21. Obama had the most duplicitous answer on gay marriage

he conflated religious marriage with civil marriage and totally avoided the question which was if it is not ok to ban interracial marriage, why is it ok to ban same sex marriage?

Totally bullshit answer.

[Colobo]

27. I have the same position Obama does. The state should recognize civil unions.

Marriage is a religious thing. It's very easy to understand.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

46. Marriage IS a civil union, first of all. It's a civil contract.

The religious stuff is optional.

And yes I am a lawyer but I do NOT play one on TV.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

68. Not quite the same thing

A black person and a white person might not be allowed to wed in some churches, but throughout this nation, a black person and a white person can marry-they either go to a different church or before a judge. A gay couple doesn't have that option most places-and if civil unions only are recognized, then a church wedding would not be legal, even if the church was all for gay marriage.

[ruggerson]

70. Until heterosexuals get "civil unionized" instead of married, it's bullshit

there is something called CIVIL marriage, and that is what the debate is about. It has never, ever been about religious marriage, because the state cannot stop gays from getting married in a religious ceremony, if the religion will recognize the marriage.

[DesertRat]

29. He avoided and deflected. Disappointing.

[bigwillq]

87. He always has on this issue.

:mad:

[Hissyspit]

24. How do we pull out now? Government shaky, bombs daily. Isn't it our responsibility?

[ncrainbowgrrl]

25. Was this question for the Rethug debate?

[rucky]

26. Give the pull-out Q to KOOCH!

[goodhue]

28. Comparing Iraqi people to new born baby is insult

[KoKo]

32. Is Anderson Cooper bothering Anyone...Like he's School Principal?

[debbierlus]

42. I am not a fan

[debbierlus]

84. Kucinich is basically representing my beliefs

He has my vote.

[bdamomma]

128. Dennis shows our ideals but some people are more focused on

the package than what is inside.

[Dawgs]

52. He's a lot better than most... Tweety!!

[Kajsa]

60. Yep, he needs to let the candidates

finish a friggin sentence!

:(

[debbierlus]

34. Iraqi government on vacation? What about the US Senate on vacation?

[goodhue]

37. amen

[bdamomma]

104. exactly.

someone should have asked them that question we are at a Constitutional crisis, vacation or no vacation.

[JohnLocke]

39. Biden giving his Iraq gimmick.

[More Than A Feeling]

41. Biden unleashed!

[Le Taz Hot]

43. Biden:

"We can't pull out now." Yes we can. CALL THEM HOME. CUT THE FUNDING. It's REAL easy, Biden!

[Colobo]

44. Obama answered well on Iraq, Biden also talking sense.

[KoKo]

45. Biden pushing Arpatheid. Split up Iraq...since I voted for it...I want to change the Country

[rucky]

47. Shit! Biden may be right on Iraq, too.

what...is...happening...to...m-m-eeeee?!?!?!

[Hissyspit]

54. Start withdrawing them now. n/t

[Hissyspit]

48. Question from mother of deployed soldier in Iraq: Dem election was withdrawal mandate. Are dems putt

ing politics before policy?

[Solly Mack]

49. Oh - if we're going to tell the truth about Iraq, let's start with words like criminal, lies

trumped up evidence, torture, illegal...

[More Than A Feeling]

50. Where are the secular questions?

As I recall the second most popular question was about what the politicians would do for non-religious voters.

[TecnoCrat]

I'm liking Biden more and more

With every question.

[defendandprotect]

51. Biden is a Republican . . . always has been -- !!

[democrat2thecore]

108. THAT is ridiculous!

Do you know the Biden record on -- labor, for example?
Biden is a Democrat...nowhere close to the GOP.

[Colobo]

53. There goes Hillary

[ncrainbowgrrl]

58. Anderson knew who to toss to both times here....

[zippy890]

61. sounds pretty good

actually "Bring our troops home"

[zippy890]

89. I like Richards' Iraq answer best

"No residual military presence in Iraq"

[defendandprotect]

56. Hillary -- No Military Solution -- Civilians have no right to challenge military -- !!! Go Hillary!

[Colobo]

57. Hillary didn't answer the question

[NYC Liberal]

79. Only if you muted the TV.

[Hissyspit]

59. Kucinich: I'm gonna answer that mother. Yes, it is politics.

It's a phony excuse to say we don't have the votes. Stop funding.

[goodhue]

62. Go Dennis Go

[spanone]

63. dennis and the truth......amazing ain't it.

i'm starting to love this guy

[Maat]

131. Good!

I'm highly involved in his campaign out here in SoCal. My business partner is his SoCal coordinator.

Let's fund his campaign - so that he can continue to speak the truth!

:)

[defendandprotect]

64. Kucinich wins again on Iraq -- !!!!

[Dawgs]

with you!!

[smokey nj]

65. Kucinich kicking serious ass with this answer!!

[harun]

71. Kucinich, rox (n/t)

[ncrainbowgrrl]

Oh yeah..

[tridim]

66. Is CNN going to have this format for the Republics too?

If so, it'll be great fun to watch all the candidates go down in flames. None of them can handle real questions from real people.

[JohnnyLib2]

83. Amen!

[AndreaCG]

136. The Freepers will sponsor the Pug debate

; P

[Le Taz Hot]

67. Kooch!

"The Democrats have failed the American people." "It's a phony excuse to say you don't have the votes."

Yes, KOOCH!!!!!!

[Le Taz Hot]

75. Fuckin Anderson Cooper!

He cut off Kucinich. He cut off Gravel, but he lets the "frontrunnters" drone on endlessly without answering the question!

[juajen]

143. Not true. He cut off Hillary also.

N/T

[KoKo]

69. Kucinich Knocks 'em Dead ...answers Soldiers Question..and says Dems Elected to END WAR!

[KoKo]

80. Kucinich, Gravel and Richardson are the most THOUGHTFUL! IMHO

[Individualist]

72. DK! DK! DK! DK '08!

[Colobo]

74. Edwards lost momentum with the gay marriage question

[JohnLocke]

81. He'll be back. One person's random video won't derail him.

[Connie_Corleone]

82. I forgot all about him. LOL

[BlueStater]

76. I'm not a fan of Kucinich but it seems like he's getting less time than everyone else n/t

[Hissyspit]

77. More recs to GP? n/t

[defendandprotect]

78. Dodd: -- We're bogged down in Iraq -- "in the muck" --

[democrat2thecore]

Dodd is always very solid in these debates

[Hissyspit]

85. Richardson: Home by end of year, no residual forces. This war is a quagmire.

[KoKo]

90. Richardson, Kucinich...honest...down to earth along with Gravel.

[KoKo]

96. Gravel Nails IT! You can buy American Ice Cream cone on Vietnam...Soldiers dying in Vain!

[Colobo]

86. Richardson wants to leave a mess in Iraq.

[spanone]

88. Richardson.....yea, bring the troops home..NO RESIDUAL TROOPS.

[zippy890]

99. BEST IRAQ ANSWER YET!

[Hissyspit]

91. Gravel: I like the question. I don't get very many of them. LOL

[Hissyspit]

97. Gravel: What are they dying for NOW. Worse than a soldier dying in vain: MORE soldiers dying in vain

[AndreaCG]

92. Where are the tough questions?

Bush destroying the constitution and impeachment because of it, election reforms to prevent fraud by the makers of the machines and the Republicans, raising taxes on corporations, capital gains and Social security contributions are thre I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure others have asked these on you Tube.

[harun]

100. CNN vetted them (n/t)

[KoKo]

117. Anderson is the "Puppet Master" keeping unruly Dems "in line." ugh!

[defendandprotect]

93. VN . . . the bright shining lie . . . resurrected among the young?

[Hissyspit]

102. Ignorant young chickenhawk's question. n/t

[goodhue]

94. Gravel rocks

[leftchick]

145. yes , last of the truth tellers

it is too bad so many can not handle the truth.

[Colobo]

95. Gravel needs a Valium.

[More Than A Feeling]

98. That answer made all of Gravel's wackiness worth it. n/t

[KoKo]

101. Obama has a nice voice...Great for Tee Vee and Radio...I can't get beyond it.

[William769]

115. I keep thinking of Elmer Fudd When he speaks.

[KoKo]

146. No...I don't see that at all...He has a nice voice.. you missed my point

[William769]

148. Hopefully you didn't miss mine.

[debbierlus]

103. Gravel's was dead-on

[debbierlus]

109. Yes, they are dying in vain

JUST SAY IT

[tridim]

132. Obviously they can't say it because of the Republics..

Can you imagine the attack ad that would generate?

They all believe it though. I hope we all understand that.

[Minimus]

123. They have a hard time walking that tightrope. It is dying in vain but when they say it

lots of people get so outraged.

[Dawgs]

105. Obama going after Clinton... FINALLY!!

[BeyondGeography]

116. The time to ask questions was in the fall of 2002

Rinse, lather, repeat.

[democrat2thecore]

124. Obama seems the least qualified of them all on the stage tonight (except Gravel) -nt

[goodhue]

106. Not dying in vain?!

[More Than A Feeling]

107. Arghhhhh, you milksops! n/t

[defendandprotect]

The "VP" question should have been extended to them ALL -- no more Liebermann's !!!!

[Solly Mack]

110. speaking only for my military family...I use toilet paper, so no candidate need think

they are kissing on my ass and getting on my good side by pretending Iraq is anything but what it is...criminal...and yes...my government is killing troops in vain.(for lies, trumped up evidence and theft)

[spanone]

121. i agree. when they die for bad policy and/or oil profits, it is in vain and criminal.

[Solly Mack]

125. exactly

[defendandprotect]

111. The "VP" question should have been extended to them ALL -- no more Liebermann's !!!!

[defendandprotect]

112. The "VP" question should have been extended to them ALL -- no more Liebermann's !!!!

[femmocrat]

113. Uh oh, Obama just criticized Hillary's vote for the war.... and

she did not look happy. There goes his shot at being the running mate!

[Colobo]

120. I don't think Obama will pick her at as VP.

[William769]

127. Luckily he won't have to worry about picking anyone.

[Colobo]

135. Obama>Clinton.

[femmocrat]

134. Touche! lol

[goodhue]

114. Edwards turned that around

[Hissyspit]

118. Question: Should women register for selective service?

[babylonsister]

119. Edwards can and should ask: is Congress taking August off?

They're so hot to blame the Iraqis for taking off, what about their own selves?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

122. A quick chime in...what's with the whacky camera angles?

I swear I could see every pore on Edwards's and Gravel's faces, yet others have very flattering light and angles. MKJ

[Colobo]

126. Clinton will go after Obama?

[Hissyspit]

129. New thread #4 here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1413358

[defendandprotect]

137. Drafting women would put a damper on pro-war fever . . . !!!

[defendandprotect]

140. Liked Hillary's challenge to dealing with Muslim countries as a US president -- !!!!

[JohnLocke]

130. Edwards is back - excellent

[KoKo]

133. They all want Women to register for Selective Service...agreement.

[KoKo]

138. Gravel mentions Bush Invading Iran...it falls flat on audience. Says Women shoud be drafted if Draft

[rainy]

139. Not until women hold at least half of all governmental offices shall they

register. That's my view anyway.

[flyarm]

142. why is Hillary using bushes talking point "WAY FORWARD?" it is really

pissing me off..she has now said it a couple times..and it is really skeeving me out!!

i really find it repulsive...

am i the only one who has heard that..it is like fingernails on a chalk board to me!!

fly

[KoKo]

144. DLC....picked it up to be more like Repugs..she can't help it.

[flyarm]

147. it has infuriated me!!..i wanted to be open minded but that just pissed me off!

haven't we had that shit shoved in our face enough without it coming from a democrat?????????

wow i really has me upset!

i have gone after my repug friends and many repugs..what's the way forward..when are your repug kids going to be the way forward...i have used their opwn damn talkingpoints and reversed them ..and now Hillry is using the repug talking points???? freaking karl roves fucking talking points?????????

and now i hear it from Hillary???????? not once but s couple times...

sorry ..that is repulsive to me!!

fly