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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:53 PM
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Winger claims "9/11 Generation" answered "the call," unlike Vietnam era's Boomers
Glenn Greenwald tears this asinine "argument" into tiny shreds:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/07/23/911_generation/index.html


Monday July 23, 2007 07:10 EST
The Weekly Standard's "9/11 Generation"



This week's issue of The Weekly Standard features a cover story by Hugh Hewitt blogger Dean Barnett. Entitled "The 9/11 Generation," it argues that America's current youthful generation is courageous and noble because it has answered the call of military service, in contrast to the cowardly Vietnam era baby boomers who chose protest instead. The article is being hailed in all of the predictable right-wing precincts, even though its reasoning highlights (unintentionally) exactly what is so corrupt, ignoble and deceitful about that political movement.

The crux of Barnett's homage to what he calls the "9/11 Generation" is expressed as follows:

In the 1960s, history called the Baby Boomers. They didn't answer the phone.

Confronted with a generation-defining conflict, the cold war, the Boomers -- those, at any rate, who came to be emblematic of their generation -- took the opposite path from their parents during World War II. Sadly, the excesses of Woodstock became the face of the Boomers' response to their moment of challenge. War protests where agitated youths derided American soldiers as baby-killers added no luster to their image.

Few of the leading lights of that generation joined the military. Most calculated how they could avoid military service, and their attitude rippled through the rest of the century. In the 1970s, '80s, and '90s, military service didn't occur to most young people as an option, let alone a duty.

But now, once again, history is calling. Fortunately, the present generation appears more reminiscent of their grandparents than their parents.


How does one even begin counting the myths laid on top of more myths on which these claims are based? To begin with, while Barnett contrasts two significant groups of the Vietnam era -- those who bravely volunteered for combat and/or who were drafted (Jim Webb and John McCain and Chuck Hagel and John Kerry) and those who protested the war -- he revealingly whitewashes from history the other major group, the most ignoble one, the one which happens to include virtually all of the individuals who lead Barnett's political movement: namely, those who claimed to support the war but did everything possible to evade military service, sending their fellow citizens off to die instead in a war they urged.

Most revealingly, Barnett condemns those who refused to fight because they opposed to war and chose instead to work against it, but ignores completely those who favored the war but sent others to fight and die in it. Barnett has to ignore this group. He has no choice. He cannot possibly criticize such individuals because this group includes the editors and writers of the magazine in which he is writing, his blogging boss, and virtually the entire leadership of the political movement which he follows.

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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:05 PM
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1. what an insult to the 58,209 Americans who gave their lives in the Vietnam war
Regardless of whether or not the war was just (it was not, IMHO) or whether the justification for it made sense (containment and the domino theory are both pretty well discredited notions), these people gave their lives in service to their country and to claim that somehow their generation was less than today's is absurd on the face of it.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:08 PM
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2. I guess these youths...
that answered the call don't get a mention?
1. The Vietnam War cost the United States 58,000 lives and 350,000 casualties. It also resulted in between one and two million Vietnamese deaths.
http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/modules/vietnam/index.cfm
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:08 PM
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3. they mean cowards like Bush and Cheney?
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:31 PM
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6. Romney, Giuliani, Thompson, Gingerich .................
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:19 PM
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4. Hey asshole some of us in the "vietnam generation" had no choice
I "answered the phone" but it sure as hell wasn't willingly.

In the long term, it was to my advantage since it enabled me to get a college education and buy my first home.

Over the years, I've come to admire the courage of those who said "fuck you" over that of people like myself who meekly went and followed orders.

Fortunately I was in and out before vietnam became a BFD.

Talk is cheap. Where the fuck was Mr Barnett during the 60's? How did he ddeal with this dilemma?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:23 PM
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5. Halliburton never called me. n/t
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:33 PM
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7. What a load of crap,
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 08:46 PM by vpilot
I volunteered for military service in 65, my brother did also and many of our friends volunteered too, in fact most Vietnam Vets that I know were volunteers. There were plenty of draftees for sure but that statement is complete crap as far as I am concerned. (In the 1960s, history called the Baby Boomers. They didn't answer the phone.)
Edited to clarify what statement.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:38 PM
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9. In both VIet Nam and WW2, 2/3rds were draftees.
In both, as well, many 'volunteers' were avoiding being in the Army ... and being in the infantry.

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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:40 PM
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10. That may well be
I was relating what MY experience was or is.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:44 PM
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11. So was I.
I was drafted and served in-country in Viet Nam. My dad (and most of my uncles) 'volunteered' in WW2 to have some say in what service they were in.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:34 PM
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8. Oh so...since most are democrats and from blue states
is this a round about way to applaud the democrats. Because the republicans sure as hell aren't in Iraq.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:46 PM
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12. Your ripping of this guy is right on...
Lots of us "Boomers" "answered the call"; heck, I enlisted for cryin' out loud. Yeah, I was very young (both age-wise and maturity-wise) and, had I known then what I know now, might have taken a different course. It took courage to oppose that war given the mindset of much of the nation at the time but, heck, even alot of the Older Generation were opposing it at the end.

Where were George and Dick and Joe and KKKarl and any number of other Republican-minded people who chose to "opt-out" because they had "more important things to do"; I'm quite certain that the almost 60,000 who didn't return, and those who did return, scarred both mentally and physically, had "more important things to do" as well.

Barnett is a prime example of one of the things that is wrong with this country: demagoguery; I think his attitude here pretty much defines it.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:54 AM
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21. This idiot is transparent in his neocon shilling.
Typical of wingnuts to make up "reality" as they go along.

And for the record, though I wish I could take credit for the brilliant debunking, it's not mine. It's Glenn Greenwald's.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:51 PM
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13. Far more young people are protesting the war today than serving in it.
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 08:51 PM by Radical Activist
And they did it sooner and in larger numbers than the boomers. Vietnam went on for years before there were major protests. The current young generation protested in large numbers before the war in Iraq even began.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:54 PM
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14. Yeah, the fucking Gulf of Tonkin
versus the fucking bushits bombing the shit outta Iraq cause he and the corporatewhoremedia LIED LIED LIED and they're still fucking LYING.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:06 PM
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15. Tonkin Gulf was, in the bigger picture,essentially a lie also...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:15 PM
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16. That's what I'm talkin'
about..LIES VERSUS LIES. And how many of our Soldiers and Brown Skinned People have been murdered by the corporate skanks?
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:41 PM
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19. Sorry...I'm a bit slow on the uptake this evening...
:D
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:21 PM
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17. If that's the case, how come Pierce Bush and other repuke kids are not in Iraq right now?
Great smack down! :D



:kick:

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:47 PM
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20. That is priceless, Swamp Rat!
:rofl:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:22 PM
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18. They why don't those who are for the war over there fighting?
How the heck are they "stepping up"?
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 07:01 AM
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22. Let that cocksucker go to the wall and read the names
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 07:02 AM by ThomWV
And say that while standing next to me.
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