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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:21 AM
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"The first one's free...then you pay." Collins/Scoop - DEMOCRACY RELOADED!

Link: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0707/S00336.htm


Michael Collins: The First One’s Free
... then you pay


Tuesday, 24 July 2007, 3:08 pm
Article: Michael Collins

Diebold Variations © (with permission)

Michael Collins
“Scoop” Independent News
Washington, D.C.

Where did all these electronic voting machines come from anyway? They produce nothing but controversy. You can’t see where your vote goes. You can’t watch the votes being counted. Even if you could, it’s all done by computer. Have you ever watched a computer do anything?
Our voting machines come from a bipartisan bill produced by the Congress with strong White House support: the Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA). It was going to solve the problems of Florida 2000.

What were those problems? It depends on who you ask. If it’s the White House, the bill supporters, and the media spin machine, there was a big controversy because of hanging chads. The White House and Congress were so proud of themselves that they made this solution available free to the whole country.

If you ask anyone who studied the situation, the few hundred vote count difference the chads created didn’t amount to much compared to the pre election and Election Day travesties in Florida 2000 which threw out over 150,000 votes, mostly for Gore.

First there was the exclusion of qualified voters by the Florida Secretary of State. Pre election, at least 57,000 Florida voters were taken off the voting rolls because they were supposedly “felons.” They were not. Half were minority voters, predominantly black Floridians. Black turnout in Florida was over 70%. You do the math. That’s a big Gore victory.

Second, there was the rejection of 150,000 spoiled ballots. Every federal election cycle, a few million votes are just tossed because they’re spoiled (allegedly unreadable). This happens at a much higher rate in minority precincts. A careful research study concluded that a combination of factors predicted high rates of spoiled ballots in Florida 2000. The mix was a large minority population, mostly black, in a county governed by a Republican board of supervisors. Florida’s 150,000 rejected ballots in 2000, accounted for 7.8% of the national total of 1.9 million.

So what did the White House and Congress do? They passed the Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA). That was about helping those two million disenfranchised voters get their votes counted right?

Wrong! It was about solving the problems of hanging chads on punch card ballots. They must have missed the finding in the Ft. Lauderdale Sun Sentinel (1 Dec 2000) showing that the Florida chad problems could have been solved if Miami-Dade and other counties had just cleaned the tablets on which punch cards were marked.

FREE VOTING MACHINES… here, have one, it’s free.

When the president signed HAVA it had a special clause that made it irresistible. The voting equipment was free. What a deal! Congress promised and delivered on billions of dollars for the purchase of electronic voting machines. Free at first! Few complained.

All the states and counties had to do was go along with the act and its main goals. The Election Assistance Commission, steward of HAVA, states the goals:
Replace punch card voting systems
To establish the Election Assistance Commission…
To establish minimum election administration standards for … Federal elections.

The initial authorization for HAVA funding was $3.8 billion dollars. $2.4 million had been disbursed just in time for the 2004 fiasco. Digital cash inducements continue but with strings attached. The Holt Bill, H.R. 811, will amend and add more than a billion dollars for new systems to help America vote.

A new bureaucracy was born – HAVA compliance. The money wasn’t really free; but you knew that. By taking the money, counties had to promise to obey new federal regulations.

These called for centralized registration databases in all the states. This expanded the opportunity to efficiently purge legitimate voters from Florida to all the states.

HAVA provided another opportunity to deny votes. It supported voter identification laws. These laws attempt to solve the patently fake problem of voter fraud (unregistered individual voters, poor & minority, lined up to vote). Average convictions and guilty pleas averaged six a year, hardly a crime wave, not even close to a justification.

So much for solving the real problems of Florida 2000.

Hidden Costs Emerge Quickly

There are some very unhappy customers in counties all across the country. It seems electronic voting is not free forever, just at the start. Once you’re hooked, there are all sorts of additional costs. A study by Suffolk County, New York summarized the problem:

"There exists a myriad of additional components which would need to be considered when addressing the cost of adopting an electronic voting system, including but not limited to software products, service rates, optional accessories (such as a voter-verified paper audit trail), training fees, ...audio preparation fees, cartage, storage, maintenance, technical support, and voter education."

Salt Lake City, for example, found out that election costs have soared under the helping hand of HAVA. The Salt Lake City Council is ready to bite the bullet and pay three times more for its municipal election than it has in previous years. The extra costs are mainly because the new electronic voting machines require more training for poll workers at higher wages. The machines are also in short-supply, which could mean fewer polling locations… KCPW News 11 July 2007

What a bargain! You pay more and you get fewer precincts. Good thing there’s no competition in the voting business. The government would be finished.

Riverside Count, California one of the first locales to adopt touch screen electronic voting saw its elections budget soar. There were performance and security questions as recently as the 2006 elections. The San Diego Union reported on July 17 that “According to the (blue ribbon) committee's report, the county should phase out electronic voting in favor of ‘a hybrid voting system whereby able-bodied voters mark their preferences on paper ballots which are then counted by optical scanners.’”

So billions of dollars later, botched election after election, and the loss of confidence in the entire system, what do we have?


Diebold Variations © (with permission)


The Real Costs of Helping America Vote

Computerized voting is secret. Your county election official can’t look inside the machine or examine the basic computer code. That’s in their contract with Diebold, ESS, etc. Even if they could, most would lack the expertise to understand and judge operations and security features.
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Verifying votes is either impossible or faith based. The touch screen systems fail to produce a real audit trail. When they do, all you get is a paper receipt. This may or may not reflect the way the touch screen counted your vote. Optical scanners, which count voter marked paper forms, are computerized tabulators. These have digital memory records of votes ( the real ballots by law). We don’t get access to that. It’s private, manufacturers only. We’re told, “Move along.”

But the real cost of computerized voting is to the process formerly known as democracy. Since we don’t know how the machines truly operate and there are no real ballots to recount, there’s no way elected officials can actually demonstrate that they were elected. There have been many questionable elections since 2000. The quick response by the winner has been sore loser or spoiled sport. That’s not only a dishonest response; it’s had its day with the public. Americans have very negative attitudes toward electronic voting.

Electronic voting has stripped elected officials of the ability verify their own elections (even if they wanted to). It failed to address the real problems of Florida 2000 and the nation
Were all these losses worth a few less than reliable, highly corruptible voting machines from third or fourth tiered technology companies?

If they can’t show that they were elected, do we have to obey?

ENDS


Permission to reprint in part or in whole provided with a link to this article in “Scoop” and attribution of authorship.

Link: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0707/S00336.htm
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:58 AM
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1. Very elegantly put there Mr Collins.....
And a pleasure to KnR
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:14 PM
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15. Thanks so much althecat...
... we'll get them educated at some point. You know, the idea of open and fair elections, the type that let the people participate and give them confidence that whatever their choice, the system is fair. Not that hard to do but the inertia is amazing.

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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:19 AM
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2. I was the 5th rec, Autorank, now tell me what I've won. nt.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:51 PM
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17. Congratulations Mr_Jefferson, you've won a brand new car ! ! ! ! !
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 07:58 AM
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26. Woohoo!!! Just leave it in the driveway with the keys under the driver's seat. Thanks. nt.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:46 AM
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3. Kick.
:kick:
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 03:26 AM
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4. Excellent -- thanks to Collins & Scoop!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 11:27 AM
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9. Thanks Cookie!

Good to see you!
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 03:59 AM
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5. K&R Bye, Bye, American Cry...
... for truth, freedom, justice, and stuff like that.

Elections are the opiate of the people, doncha know?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 11:29 AM
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10. It elections mattered, they wouldn't let us have them.

Now that's a line and I have to remember who said it.

We're at a cross roads, will we get some semblance of self determination in government back?

It's not about preserving that, it's clearly gone.

I think we will but it's a crap shoot at this point.

:hi:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:22 AM
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6. Great last line! "If they can't show that they were elected, do we have to obey?"
Hell no!

Vote tabulation without representation!

In my opinion, the worst of it is our Democratic Party leadership's collusion in non-transparent vote counting run on "trade secret" code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations.

And I mean rightwing. Diebold, run by a Bush-Cheney campaign chair and major fundraiser. ES&S, initially funded by Howard Ahmanson, for crissake, nutball fascist billionaire who also gave one million dollars to the extremist 'christian' Chalcedon foundation (which touts the death penalty for homosexuals, among other things).

Are our Democratic leaders CRAZY?

I think it's because Bush and Cheney make them look "progressive."
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 07:07 AM
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7. Well seeing that Bob Ney R-Convicted Felon was one of the architects of HAVA &
was lobbied by Jack Abramoff R-Convicted Felon it is no wonder our system is corrupt. What is the incentive for lawmakers to change the system when the proprietary source code can help them keep their jobs? PLUS...all those "hidden costs" are a great way to funnel BIG BUCKS back to the lawmakers. It's definitely a racket-a very profitable and controlled racket.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:50 PM
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16. Didnt Steney Hoyer help w/HAVA ?
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 09:06 PM
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18. Yes.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 08:15 AM
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8. Great article ;=D
I have hours of hearings from the 2000 (S)election. I watched ALL the hearings on C-SPAN and recorded them. There were the court room hearings, and the civil rights hearings. At the time I thought "great the Civil Rights division will take care of this mess" only to find out under the Bush Regime/Cartel/Cabal that the Civil Rights division has been gutted.

Like K.West said "Bush doesn't like black people." Go Figure....



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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:28 PM
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12. He sure doesn't, in fact...

I think that he hates all people. He's really trying to wipe us out. Maybe he likes roaches;)

Hang onto those hearings. Who knows when they'll start purging that stuff.

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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 12:40 AM
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24. Oh hell yeah, I'll be holding onto my tapes
I even have tapes from the Iran Contra hearings. Sheesh, that takes me back. I had a hard time sitting through them at the time.
Ollie North and Fawn Hall having their late night shredding parties to cover up the shit that was about to hit the fan.

If only someone would have done their job back then, say like Lee Hamilton. Perhaps we wouldn't be faced with the crap that is now taking place.

I was discussing with someone earlier, that the war profiteers enter office i.e. our government to rewrite laws and to subvert laws to enrich their corporate donors. Then they go to work for the corporate donors only to get back into the government to start the cycle all over again.

When you consider how Iran Contra played out with illegal weapons being sold to Iran and Iraq so they would fight and kill each other, and how the illegal blackmarket of weapons sold to the highest bidder, well you can connect the dots to realize the Merchants of Death are still conducting the same games they have always conducted.

Keep up the good work, my friend. If I can call you my Friend:pals::hi:





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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 11:27 PM
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22. George Bush don't like thinkin' people
Blacks were something like five times more likely to disapprove of the war against Iraq than the average white person.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:56 PM
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11. Thank you for the thread autorank,
and thanks to Michael Collins for an excellent column.

Kicked and of course recommended.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:30 PM
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13. Hello Joe

No mistaken phrases on my part this time;)

You're most welcome. We'll get these folks to do the right thing. I think that they're afraid
they'll get a rash or something.

Our party has to step up here. Kucinich is on the right track but someone needs to sit down with
the leadership and educate them... in a hurry.

Let's hope the old dogs, Conyers, Leahy, and Waxman are too smart for these crooks. I'll bet on
them.

:hi:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:54 PM
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14. I agree,
I pray not only the leadership has an epiphany before it's too late, but someone with an ounce of integrity in the Republican Party will realize the national security threat posed by the illegal and immoral disenfranchisement of the American People. When they take the American People's votes away, regardless of race or party, we're weaker as a nation because of it.

Peace to you autorank:hi:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 09:25 PM
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19. Peace to you ....
...and bad dreams of the future to the vote villains :evil grin:
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 09:30 PM
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20. This one is bookmarked forever... k&r
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msedano Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 11:17 PM
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21. formerly known as democracy
i agree, the demos part of the equation, that's we the people, no longer count. so what are we gonna call ourselves?

deimocracy. after greek for fear. but damnit, most folks are pissed, not afraid. so i'll opt for pissedoffcracy.

thanks for the "formerly" inspiration, and a superb article.

mvs

http://labloga.blogspot.com
http://readraza.com
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galloglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 11:38 PM
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23. As you say "But the real cost of computerized voting is"
our Democracy....


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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 07:18 AM
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25. Great piece of work!!
More people need to see this outstanding study! 2008 is NOT necessarily going to go the way of 2006, because Rove KNOWS he messed up a few congressional races. He's not going to let that happen in 2008.

:kick::kick::kick:
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