BBC / The White House Coup and General Smedley Butler

[shance]

"The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression."

Mike Thomson investigates why so little is known about this biggest ever peacetime threat to American democracy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml

[shance]

1. This is fantastic stuff. a MUST listen**

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[Gabi Hayes]

2. amen. I ask people about this all the time, and NOBODY...nobody

knows what I'm talking about; very often think I'm crazy when I start giving details

I MINORED in history/policy sci and NEVER once heard it mentioned

[RufusTFirefly]

4. At least two books mention it

"The Plot to Seize the White House" by Jules Archer and "Witness to a Century" by the great muckraker George Seldes.

I always receive similar looks of disbelief whenever I bring this up.

[Gabi Hayes]

6. I've read em both. it's a shame Seldes is so little known. he was one of the few journalists

who really told the truth, unvarnished, over such a long period of time

course the price he paid was the complete lack of attention by the media of the day, even moreso than IF Stone, of whom I was well aware back in the day, while not learning of Seldes til many years later

my local library, which is quite good, has zero books by Seldes, and they've had to send to other places when I've requested for books by him

there's also another biography of Butler which goes into pretty great detail WRT his earlier 'exploits' with the Marines, as well as the aftermath of the Business Plot

I think I got it from my library. will check

thanks for bringing this up again, as it periodically appears. most people haven't the faintest cue

Iran/Contra, Iraqgate, whatever you care to call the current dismantling of all agencies of government and replacing them with fascists is much worse than what happened sevent five years ago, becase...it WORKED, and right under the noses of the socalled fourth estate.

some would say it happened with their active cooperation

[whirlygigspin]

9. download the ebook here

America's Hidden History

The Plot To Seize The White House

By Jules Archer

Available as ebooks here:


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13906.htm


--You can also download it in Word format from the same site

[Gabi Hayes]

14. thanks. my library stilll has it.....I just checked. dunno how angry I want to get

I read it about seven/eight years ago, and had trouble believing the sordid details, but that was back when it was becoming how obvious the media were cooperating in the destruction of democracy

here's the war is a racket site...Buter's own words, followed by a plaintive request, one very poignant and depressing, because I think it's already too late

http://www.warisaracket.com/

YOUR NEXT MISSION - SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO ACCEPT IT: Now that you have read 'War Is A Racket' please accept this challenge - Cut and paste this address http://www.WarIsARacket.com and email it to 12 friends with an urgent request that they read it and send it to 12 of their friends. 12 to the eighth power = 429,981,696 which is more than the total US population. Repeat as necessary. Also remind them to read the Constitution again and again until they understand who should be Impeached and Removed, and who should be replaced in the next election cycle. Don't vote for anyone who doesn't uphold their Oath to the Constitution. Remind all your elected servants that they are bound by the Government Code of Ethics. You can copy this entire page into an email if you like. It is helpful if your email service supports html so your friends can go directly to all the links.

[IChing]

22. Thanks for the link

I first heard of this story in the 80s and sort of dismissed it
until someone lead me to this book, which I lost a long time ago.

I didn't know it was on-line for free
thanks.

[shance]

23. Whirly gig where've ya been?

Have missed seeing you!

:hi:

[Octafish]

35. Thank you.

I couldn't get the Word thing to open, but the HTML version can be downloaded and used for searching and quoting and, hopefully one day real soon, indicting.

[bobbolink]

13. A great video by The History Channel... "The Plot To Overthrow FDR"

I requested my library get it, and they ended up buying 6 copies!

Request your library.... others may discover it....

[Bitwit1234]

3. I have heard this before and Hisctory Channel has a program about it.

altho they did not list the corporations, they said big corporations. And the reason the veterans were being built up to help was because they choose as their leader to overthrow the government a Lt. Col or something that the veterans followed. If you run a search you will find it someplace.

And isn't it odd everytime you find something, that is negative about people trying to destroy this country and turn to the Nazi way you find Prescott Bush's name. His name should be stricken from every single record there is.

[shance]

5. This is a new segment by BBC. Was produced and presented yesterday.

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[EstimatedProphet]

11. I disagree - Prescott Bush should be shouted from the rooftops

It's criminal that he has escaped history.

[Gabi Hayes]

7. good primer page on business plot octopus, and Bulter's earlier life as marine

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showPerson.php?id=5150&name=Smedley-Butler

[whirlygigspin]

8. The Plot to overthrow FDR--from the History Channel streaming video

streaming video online here:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13844.htm

[Gabi Hayes]

12. thanks. I wonder if it's a sanitized version, as decried by Butler when he found out about the

redacted testimony, and realized who was NOT forced to appear at all

History Channel is very often a Gigantic disappointment

having nothing better to do, I'm going to watch this one, then the BBC version, and compare the two

[shance]

24. kicking

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[Gabi Hayes]

10. memory being jogged, here: as in all good fascist stories, the

the McCormack-Dickstein ''Special Committee on Un-American Activities Authorized to Investigate Nazi Propaganda and Certain Other Propaganda Activities,'' formed in 1934 to investigate the Business coup, largely supported the allegations brought forth during its investigation, but nothing was done, nobody was prosecuted. And, as I said, as in all good little tales of fascism, the McCormick/Dickstein Committee morphed into the famous Dies Committee, read HUAC, which changed its emphasis, in NINETEEN THIRTY EIGHT!!!!! from Nazism to......communism, upon which it remained focused for DECADES. remember that: 1938

from the Political Friendster site, a summation/quote from Butler of what all congressional committees tend to do, unless they're going after blowjobs:

"Like most committees, it has slaughtered the little and allowed the big to escape. The big shots weren't even called to testify. Why wasn't Colonel Grayson M.-P. Murphy, New York broker ... called? Why wasn't Louis Howe, Secretary to the President of the United States, called? . . . Why wasn't Al Smith called? And why wasn't Gen. Douglas MacArthur, Chief of Staff of the United States Army, called? And why wasn't Hanford MacNider, former American Legion commander, called? They were all mentioned in the testimony. And why was all mention of these names suppressed from the committee report?"

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showConnection.php?id1=5107&id2=2844

as of 1975, according to the link, the full transcript of these hearings had not been made public

the above link is really fascinating, as I think it's got stuff in it that I don't remember reading before, but since I haven't much of a memory, some/most of it might be in the VERY few books on the subject, two or three of which I've read

[EVDebs]

15. Jules Archer's book The Plot To Overthrow FDR hard to find.....

[Gabi Hayes]

16. see post 14. interlibrary loans usually can get you most anything

that's how I get Seldes' books

somebody has a link at this thread to read the downloaded version, bts

[EVDebs]

18. Book not in print, hard to get, only off web where Agent Mike gets to watch. Nice.

[shance]

21. War is a Racket by Smedley Butler has been reprinted - a short book which is great

to give out to friends.

[JohnyCanuck]

17. America 2007 is Germany 1930

I've posted this link in 2 previous threads already, but it seems like it is quite relevant here too. So for those who might have missed it previously:

America 2007 is Germany 1930

By Norman Livergood (a former department head at the US Army War College)

SNIP


An Unknown Episode In American History

Nazi Germany was created by the criminal cabal that currently rules the United States and much of the world. One of the early underlings of this cabal was Prescott Bush, Dubya's grandfather. Prescott Bush was a director of the Union Banking Corporation, which the U.S. government took over in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corporation stock shares, all of which were owned by E. Roland Harriman, Prescott Bush, three Nazi executives, and two other associates of Prescott Bush.

President Franklin Roosevelt's Alien Property Custodian, Leo T. Crowley, signed Vesting Order Number 248 seizing the property of Prescott Bush under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The order, published in obscure government record books and kept out of the news, explained nothing about the Nazis involved; only that the Union Banking Corporation was run for the Thyssen family of Germany and/or Hungary, nationals of a designated enemy country

This act by the U.S. government made it clear that Prescott Bush and the other directors of the Union Banking Corporation were in essence front men for the Nazis. By keeping news of this seizure quiet, the American government avoided the more important issue: in what way were Hitler and his Nazi cohorts set up, armed, and supported by the New York and London cartel of which Prescott Bush was an executive manager?

On Oct. 28, 1942, the U.S. government issued orders seizing two Nazi front organizations run by the Bush-Harriman bank: the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation. Nazi interests in the Silesian-American Corporation, long managed by Prescott Bush and his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker, were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act on November 17, 1942. In this action, the government announced that it was seizing only the Nazi interests, leaving the Nazis' U.S. partners to carry on the business.

These were actions taken by the U.S. government during wartime, but Prescott Bush and his collaborators had already played a central role in financing and arming Adolf Hitler for his takeover of Germany. Harriman, Bush and the other cabal puppets had financed the buildup of Nazi war industries for the conquest of Europe and war against the U.S. They had also helped in the development of Nazi genocide theories and racial propaganda, with the slave labor and extermination camps as the result.

The cabal that controls America has moved as rapidly as possible to bring about the same conditions of dictatorship and fascism in the U.S. as it did in Nazi Germany in the 1930s. The first major thrust toward fascism began during the Bush takeover of the Reagan presidency. During Bush Senior's (second) presidency he pulled off the Iran-Contra drugs-for-weapons crime, the savings-and-loan heist, the illegal use of U.S. military force to protect Bush's criminal collaboration with Manuel Noriega, his man in Panama, and many other crimes of state.

http://www.hermes-press.com/germany1930.htm

[EVDebs]

19. Economically 1973 with devalued dollar tanking us

[shance]

20. Kick

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[Gabi Hayes]

25. just in: Lindsay Lohan will be discussing this tonight with Jay

should be awesome!

[roamer65]

26. Malloy is talking about this program on his show.

...and Prescott Bush kept his Nazi ties going all the way to 1942.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

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28. Wow ! Thanks-I hope everyone here listens to this.

[Octafish]

29. Dave Emory interviewed author Jules Archer, 'Plot to Seize the White House' author

The Great Dave Emory recently interviewed the guy, now 90 or so, who wrote the history:

http://wfmu.org/playlists/DX

Scroll down to FTR #602: The Plot to Seize the White House - Interview with Jules Archer, PLUS FTR #448: The Coup Attempt of 1934 | Listen (RealAudio) | Listen (MP3 - 128K)

Excellent interview.

DuPont and Morgan and the rest were worse than real turds. They were traitors. Just like their heir, George W Bush today.

[Gabi Hayes]

30. thanks for that, as for everything else. I just sent this thread to my niece, who

is starting to work for NPR (good thing??) in the fall as a reporter on Native American affairs.

I told her to become a regular at DU, and she'll be the best informed NPRer there is, especially including their hotshot, name 'journalists'

I hope she signs up. she's very idealistic, but has NO clue as to just how bad things are. I wonder what working for NPR will do to her.

should be interesting

[Octafish]

31. Keep encouraging her, Gabi-san!

Her job is the very fulfillment of democracy: She spreads the truth, the lifeblood of our Constitution.

[Gabi Hayes]

34. I do.....she thinks I'm a bit overboard on my "obsession" with this regime,

but most 'normal' people do

that said, it's heartening to find SO many people these days who're finally starting to wise up, repugs in particular

my first, and favorite question to ANYbody who has anything positive to say about these monsters:

name ONE good thing that's happened to the average American since he STOLE the election in 2000. sometimes I leave out the stolen election part

they usually can't think of anything without a LONG pause, at which point they bring up something totally asinine, e.g, NCLB

[Octafish]

32. Thank you, shance!

Keep this kicked and get this spread far and wide:

The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression.

BBC's most welcome to the party.

[malaise]

36. That was a superb program

I listened last night and intend to make my students listen as well.

[shance]

37. You are so welcome Octafish.

It goes without saying thanks for your heartfelt commitment to educating and informing DUers***

[Posteritatis]

33. Awesome, I was just looking for that. (nt)